Are People Born Gay?

[Blackrock13]

Sorry Bliss, but the church was formed to give priests ready access to alter boys.....

I don't know the op's intentions but I see no problem with this post....at least it's more interesting than yet another picture thread full of bald beavers!!!

TB;

Please tell me you had your tongue planted firmly in your cheek when you typed this.

 

[Doggie]

TB;

Please tell me you had your tongue planted firmly in your cheek when you typed this.

I am sure he did

 

[Cycleguy007]

Are People Born Gay?

Who cares...

Everyone should just live their own life the way they want to...

NO ONE has the right to tell another how they should live their life. Not a religious group, or political group, or ethnic group, or any one else for that matter.

As long as no laws are broken and no one gets hurt, live and let live... :great:

Nuff said.

 

[tboy]

Rivoli: there is no reason we can't talk about any subject, why do you think we can't?

Blackie: yeah, how about that there theory that the world was flat and there be serpents along the edge?

Or how about the one that said that women were only the "garden" where men plant the seed?

The one I liked best was when the running theory was that in sperm, there was a little tiny fully developed creature that just needed a place to grow. There was even an illustration of a sperm with a tiny tiny horse in the head......

Or how about (I think it was gates) who said that people would never need more than 640K of computer memory? OOPS

 

[tboy]

Who cares...

Everyone should just live their own life the way they want to...

NO ONE has the right to tell another how they should live their life. Not a religious group, or political group, or ethnic group, or any one else for that matter.

As long as no laws are broken and no one gets hurt, live and let live... :great:

Nuff said.

That's the problem right there: what laws? There are laws on the books that say you can't have anal sex with your wife......There are all kinds of laws that protect people who do wrong, that's the problem with laws.

Then you get into the problem with international law, and an individual country's laws. I mean, stoning a woman to death for being raped? That's a law in some countries....

I think that we should have laws that state: once you've been convicted with concrete evidence (like a video showing you committing a murder) you forfeit your rights. The thing that bugs me is that an asshole pedophile or someone who sells drugs to school kids has the same rights as I do......

The thing about sexuality laws is that at some point, someone decided that being gay DID injure someone or purported the possibility of someone getting hurt therefore they made it illegal (not sure if the law is still on the books or not). Just like any ethnic or other group, there are some who are dangerous and most who aren't.

Even though it IS fiction, a very good argument was put forth on the show True Blood. The Vampire league was fighting for equal rights for vampires, then one goes and rips the heart out of a news anchor on live tv. The outcry was huge with those saying SEE we TOLD you they were evil..The response though is what I'm getting at:

The spokesvamp said: Jeffrey Dahmer was human and did far worse, does that mean that all humans should be killed?

I have used this argument with others who are against muslims: Sure, Bin Laden was muslim but that doesn't mean all muslims are bad just because he organized the 9/11 attacks.....

 

[blissful]

Ok, what I should have wrote is religion plays a roll.

Here is the theory and I don't want to be marked on it.

If it was left to us without having religion involved, then almost all of us who be BI or Gay.

Men went away for days and weeks on there own, women where left days and weeks on there own. What do you think Happened when, let say, the guys got horny or the women? If it was me I would not be waiting for my hubby to come home I would be Kissing lets say Patsy who is in the same hut as me.:666:

So to make it short, and skip a lot of the theory because I figure you all can think it through, religion was brought forth to help solve the problem of not enough babies being born. Ok, just think it through before you answer. Add what you want but this conversation between Brash and myself is on going for awhile now.:happy:

 

[Cycleguy007]

Or how about (I think it was gates) who said that people would never need more than 640K of computer memory? OOPS

Well it was Gates, but I think it was 64k (in reference to addressing memory)! LOL

I'll have to check my copy of the very first "PC Magazine" in which the interview was published... The interview was conducted in 1981 but not published until Jan 1982.

 

[Bubba]

A homo is a homo burned with the homo genes, nnf said :no:

 

[tboy]

Bliss?

You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're way off base here.....

WHat happened when armies went away?

All depends on what time period and what country you're talking about.

The greeks took, well, stable boys with them.
The Romans took consorts and or raped or took women along the way (as with many other countries).

As for all of us being bi without religion, speak for yourself. You're basing your entire opinion on the "societal" influence to make people gay or straight. It isn't simply that.

For example, I grew up in a rough neighbourhood. Most came from broken homes, lived on welfare, and most kids my age were delinquents. Sure I dabbled and got up to mischief, but did I turn into a career criminal? Nope. By your argument I should have since I was influenced by the society I grew up in.

If it is purely religion, how can it be that a gay couple (or man) can raise a straight child? It'd be impossible......

Really, you gotta stop smoking the sofa cushions........

 

[Jawbone]

I think most people are born with a certain disposition. I was born not liking men sexually and nothing is going to change that. I could be locked up for years in prison and would have no desire to touch another man. Others are born with homosexual tenancies and they may or may not act on them.

Gay or straight I couldn't care less if the truth be told, but do not try to push your gay rights down my throat! Everyone is welcome to do what they like with whomever they wish behind close doors but do not try and stifle other people because you do not agree with their position on the subject because that is just hypocritical.

Look at the disgusting campaign gay Smitherman is running. Grasping at straws trying to point out Ford is anti-gay, is a loud mouth, yeah what ever Ford is going to revitalize Church St.

 

[rivoli]

Rivoli: there is no reason we can't talk about any subject, why do you think we can't?

Why? OP posted a thread with a question. 2 attacks on first 3 replies. One of them calls him troll other one calls him stupid. HOF tried to play with words and said he called stupid to question, not to OP. 5 years old kid can see it what he meant on his first post.

This is why I asked who decides what to talk and what not to talk. If HOF and Tgirl decide who is troll and stupid and who is not. Then I will be carefull about not to post anything related to homosexuality. So I wont be called troll and stupid.

 

[Blackrock13]

Ok, what I should have wrote is religion plays a roll.

Here is the theory and I don't want to be marked on it.

If it was left to us without having religion involved, then almost all of us who be BI or Gay.

Men went away for days and weeks on there own, women where left days and weeks on there own. What do you think Happened when, let say, the guys got horny or the women? If it was me I would not be waiting for my hubby to come home I would be Kissing lets say Patsy who is in the same hut as me.:666:

So to make it short, and skip a lot of the theory because I figure you all can think it through, religion was brought forth to help solve the problem of not enough babies being born. Ok, just think it through before you answer. Add what you want but this conversation between Brash and myself is on going for awhile now.:happy:

Don't want to be marked on it? Well, you're in the wrong place for that one. Where did you come up with that theory hi-lighted? It's a doozer! It's so wrong on a number of levels.

 

[Auggie]

Don't want to be marked on it? Well, you're in the wrong place for that one. Where did you come up with that theory hi-lighted? It's a doozer! It's so wrong on a number of levels.

Why is it wrong? Religion benefits from people having children and bringing them up in their faith, it's the main reason they oppose birth control and abortion. It's not a big leap to include opposition to homosexuality.

 

[Blackrock13]

Why is it wrong? Religion benefits from people having children and bringing them up in their faith, it's the main reason they oppose birth control and abortion.

All I can say is that I've never seen, read, or heard anyone espouse that the main point of religion was to increase the population. The RC in Quebec in the 50's said it was a responsibility of the good Catholics in the province to have many babies to have a larger RC population which was in decline, but that wasn't the church's raison d'etre. It failed miserably.

Even now, the Liberals in Quebec are instigating a bigger family policy and paying people to have more kids, but it's for political reasons 'not' religious reasons. The courts have ruled against bill 101 and said you can't force people to go th French schools. So they are loosing their francophone base.

Most scholars would agree that religions arise to give some people answers to certain questions/fears they have and have those who with these answer to lead in 'certain' aspects of their lives. From there it goes off in all directions.

Not all religions oppose birth control and abortion.

 

[valeriehugh]

We're all a little gay according to Kinsey

To answer your question, though... whether we are born straight, gay, bisexual, what ever, I definitely do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice. You choose to sleep with men or sleep with women, but you absolutely do not choose which gender (or which person, for that matter) you are attracted to--you're just attracted.

 

[jumpingjackflash]

We're all a little gay according to Kinsey

To answer your question, though... whether we are born straight, gay, bisexual, what ever, I definitely do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice. You choose to sleep with men or sleep with women, but you absolutely do not choose which gender (or which person, for that matter) you are attracted to--you're just attracted.

After reading all the verbal diarrhea thrown around in this thread, this young lady's comment makes the most sense to me, well said Valerie.:great:

 

[Blackrock13]

We're all a little gay according to Kinsey

To answer your question, though... whether we are born straight, gay, bisexual, what ever, I definitely do not believe that sexual orientation is a choice. You choose to sleep with men or sleep with women, but you absolutely do not choose which gender (or which person, for that matter) you are attracted to--you're just attracted.

Everyone is born with both female and male hormones in various balances that give raise to certain tendencies, but it's not written in stone. Whether you're an alpha or beta male/female tends to follow with this balance/ratio, but if you are introduced to both sides you get comfortable with whatever floats your boat and it's not a matter of right or wrong. In ancient Greece and Rome it wasn't a question of gay or straight or both, but more a case of whatever was available at the time and place.

 

[Marcus]

Good Thread!

Good Thread!

There's a lot of debate about this subject. conservative and religious groups insist that homosexuality is a choice, while civil rights and gay rights activists say that it's biological, i.e. something you're born with and have no control over.

Personally, i think homosexuality is something biological. i've had quite a few gay friends over the years, and many have recounted their struggles with coming out to their parents, friends, peers, etc. i believe that if it was a choice, they would not have chosen something that would end up being so painful to them and destructive to their relationships.​

 

[Blackrock13]

There's a lot of debate about this subject. conservative and religious groups insist that homosexuality is a choice, while civil rights and gay rights activists say that it's biological, i.e. something you're born with and have no control over.

Personally, i think homosexuality is something biological. i've had quite a few gay friends over the years, and many have recounted their struggles with coming out to their parents, friends, peers, etc. i believe that if it was a choice, they would not have chosen something that would end up being so painful to them and destructive to their relationships.​

Name the last time the church or the religious right got it correct when it came to science; biology. geography, genetics and the like. What makes anyor think they have homosexuality right. 50% of the voter public in Texas, correctly considered a conservative godly state, don't beieve in evolution. WTF.

I think it's the later and I don't consider myself an activist at all; just an informed/educated/logical thinker

 

[JackassJack]

Nobody is "born homosexual"

There is no gay gene nor any hormonal magic that makes babies gay in the womb but prevents them from " discovering they are gay " until their teens or adulthood. Its all BS drama to try to gain sympathy. It is a choice.