Cancer

[Lobster]

Why so many people get cancer. It just seems lately people just dropping like flies. What exactly is going on?. Any suspicions? A lot of people think acrylamide and aspartame and various food preservatives may be causing cancer.... recent research suggests that red meat and in particular processed meat like sausages and bacon and peperoni is cancer causing. Bisphenol A is another doozie that is in almost everything.

Whats your view?

Somethings seem to reduce cancer risk.... a lot of antioxidants, vitamin C, turmeric, green tea. Aspirin is also said to reduce risk but you cant usually take even a low dose except very seldom.

 

[tboy]

Ok, aspirin, you CAN take it every day.....not tons of it, I think the dose is one or two tablets.

As for why so many get cancer. Dude, look at what we do to our environment?

Cars turning the air brown
Chemicals in our drinking water
That new car smell? That is all the plastics and solvents gassing off
Ever turn on a piece of electronic equipment and you have that plasticy smell? That's cancer causing agents gassing off.

I don't know if they still have it, but Germany once had a building code that when a new office building was erected. It had to be fully furnished and every piece of electronic equipment turned on and had it run for 30 days. Then they removed all the existing air and replaced it with fresh. This is due to all the gassing off of chemicals everything has. This includes carpet. You don't want to KNOW what comes off all that rayon, dacron, etc.

Then we get into all the chemicals in processed foods. Ever read the story about the chinese putting melamine into baby formula? Or lead paint on toys?

For how many years was it legal to dump toxic waste into lake ontario? And that's where we get our drinking water from. Ever wonder what happened to it all?

Oh yeah, let's not forget about the depletion of the ozone layer. Notice how it's not in the news like it was? Shit I know 2 farmers that have bad skin cancer and they've told me they know 10 more each....that's from working outside for years without sunscreen. Hell, when I was a kid and got a sunburn my mother's remedy was to put BABY oil on it.....the WORST thing you can do......

 

[Bubba]

Calling Dr. Bosco

 

[Jesus Quintana]

Cancer is probably as Tboy stated an environmental disease. On the other hand think about our previous generations and the lifespans that they had. Like Alzheimer's we didn't live long enough to develop these diseases. ALL my grand parents died before I was born - their average age at death was 42 or 43.

 

[a 1 player]

Along with what tboy says I have another thought... Billions of radio waves running through our bodies at every frequency all day and all night.

 

[-b]

Some say, that one disease helps fight another....so if you have cancer it helps fight another disease.....
I feel it just part of life...that it was always here...
It is only now, meaning with better doctors etc that we notice it
It is a way, nature gets rid of people......We are living older and older....what better way of stopping
over population.....
Life and Death, we all fear Death but that is what we all stride for eventually.....
Lets remember a man with money, lots and no prenuptial agreement:rofl1:

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

That last post was just inane. but I digress.

Cancer rates decline dramatically if we live rural as opposed to urban.

They decline once again if you are a non smoker as opposed to a smoker.

Even further if you don't work around or handle toxic materials.

Our food choices affect out chances even further. We are genetically wired for a lifeway that is all but gone now, and our health reflects this. We moved from a nutrient-dense, protein rich diet that was varied and changed with location and seasons to a diet dependent upon a few starchy crops.

These starchy crops provide a fraction the vitamins and minerals found in fruits,veges, and meats. These ''new foods'' create a host other health problems ranging from cancer to autoimmunity to infertility.

 

[Reverse]

That last post was just inane. but I digress.

You're comment is inane, but I digress.

Cancer is a horrible disease and most of us have been touched by it. Genes and ones immune system plays a big part in the cancer puzzle but I do agree what we do helps facilitate the invading cells. Stress also I think plays a big part in lowering ones immune system and allowing the invading cells to take hold.

 

[tboy]

let's not miss out on the genetics factor while we're at it. There are people who are prone to certain illnesses and even though 2 people are tested to determine whether they are prone to a disease or not, and they both turn out positive, they still go ahead and have kids. This....damages (for lack of a better term) the gene pool allowing those with the genes prone to illnesses to continue to reproduce.

When natural selection was allowed to take its course, those who were prone to disease, died off. Leaving those with a natural resistance to disease to reproduce and strengthen the gene pool. Now with modern medicine we have eliminated this natural selection.

There was a joke video going around youtube about a wealthy intelligent couple not being able to have kids and then an idiot family living in a trailer having 10......

This has a dramatic/exponential impact on our environment as well. Think of it this way: if natural selection were allowed to do its thing, there'd be less air pollution due to less people requiring cars, electricity, natural resources etc.

No insult to bliss, but if we allowed those who got cancer to die off, eventually no one would get cancer any more. Same as all other supposedly "incurable" diseases......

Substitute "cancer" for baldness. How many families do you know where every male in the family over 30 is bald or losing their hair? I've been close to families where everyone is healthy and they've never had any serious illness. As far as I know, anyone for 3 or 4 generations have all just died of old age......

Oh yeah, one BIG factor no one has mentioned yet:

Background radiation. How many nuclear tests have been done above ground? Anyone remember this big radioactive cloud after chernobyl? Or the recent radiation dump caused by japan's reactor going critical?

Anyone ever watched a NASA launch? Look at all the SHIT (highly toxic) that those rockets create and with the space shuttle, most of that just falls into the ocean (where it enters the food chain).

I mean really, they are finding so many species of fish with extremely high mercury poisoning.....

 

[Jesus Quintana]

There was a joke video going around youtube about a wealthy intelligent couple not being able to have kids and then an idiot family living in a trailer having 10......

The movie was Idiocracy and while it was a pretty funny movie it really did touch on some very serious topics if you think about it.
Watch it if you ever get a chance.

(Oh and by the way - there is a flowchart that appears after the scene you described. Freeze it on your big screen and follow the lines. There's a few surprises in there!)

 

[Dan]

We always here of the smoking, the gases etc... but how many people fall to cancer that follow all the rules in regards to a healthy life style??

I don't even like to think about it, it gets me down.

 

[peace]

Believe it or not, just got back from the funeral. It is pretty sad as my colleague's mom passed away due to lung cancer and her dad died a year ago to cancer as well. I think they both were in their early 50s. As much as we try to understand what causes cancer, I truly hope they find a cure someday.

 

[tboy]

We always here of the smoking, the gases etc... but how many people fall to cancer that follow all the rules in regards to a healthy life style??

I don't even like to think about it, it gets me down.

Yup, you hear that all the time. Just like jocks who die of heart attacks etc. The way I see it lead your life the way you want to and don't over do any one thing because sooner or later, something's going to kill you.

Someone said to me the other day when I lit a smoke: you know those things will kill you. I said "if they don't something else will"......

 

[Jesus Quintana]

I recall years ago a chest cutter I knew (Now retired) saw me light up a cigarette and he started telling me how earlier that day he operated on someone who had cancer. once he opened up the fellow's chest, he looked inside and the cancer had spread all over the lungs, esophagus, and trachea. It was so hopeless they just closed to poor guy back up.
3 days later we were at a dinner and he lit up a great big Churchill and I tasked him about it.
"Son," he said, "We all have to die of something."

 

[Madman]

Why is it that all the fun things to do are bad for us,smoking, drinking, sex, eating rich food, sitting on the couch all day watching sports, why why??????

 

[-b]

Why is it that all the fun things to do are bad for us,smoking, drinking, sex, eating rich food, sitting on the couch all day watching sports, why why??????

That is why you should be F**king or making love or having fun with sex as much as possible.....
A few minutes for some......hours for others....:anangel:....Makes life a happy place..
Well drugs too can help......:toocool:

 

[LickingGravity]

Having just "celebrated" the first anniversary of my wife's death after a ten year battle with this desease I can say that there are a lot of good comments in the threads and a lot that I believe are complete idiocy.

I don't wish to debate the idiotic ones because I simply don't have the stomach for it today. Theories change, even within the medical profession, every few years on certain things as to cause. The most glaring example of these is this is the profession that brought women hormone supplements to treat menopause etc only to discover some 15 years later that they had just increased the risk of breat cancer in those patients by 30%.

What I do know after being closer than I ever wanted to be is that treatments are improving and evolving but, other than miracle exceptions, most cures are dependent on early detection. Very few stage 3 and 4's live 5 much less 10 years and fewer and fewer stage 1's die.

 

[Dan]

Excellent advice LG, early detection is definitely the key.

 

[Prick]

Isn't 50 % of the cancer cases generic?.

 

[Melonballs2]

Isn't 50 % of the cancer cases generic?.

Do you mean genetic Prick?

I don't usually go around calling people pricks but I guess I have to make an exception in your case.:biggrin: