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Carrying a gun is a civilized act.

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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thats it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion.

Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.
The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that wed be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the muggers potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat€“it has no validity when most of a muggers potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and thats the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then theres the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones dont constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.
The gun is the only weapon thats as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldnt work as well as a force equalizer if it wasnt both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I dont do so because

I am looking for a fight, but because Im looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I dont carry it because Im afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesnt limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation€¦ and thats why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2011/01/15/“the-gun-is-civilization”-by-maj-l-caudill-usmc-ret/
 
See, that whole premise is not exactly correct. They left out one very important fact: there's a third option, flight or walk away. So there is force, reason, or flight.

This is a very sticky subject in the US. There are many who feel the need to take the right to bear arms literally, TOO literally.

It's like I said to sillygirl when she felt the need to arm herself simply because she moved into a first floor apartment: don't move into a first floor apartment. She didn't need a weapon for going out shopping, only when she was at home. So really, there were options.

Same as the carrying of a handgun. Sure, that story recently about the guy in the restaurant blowing away a would be robber but I've eaten in literally thousands of restaurants and never needed a handgun (now with that being said sometimes I felt the chef needed to be shot for the crap that came to my table lol).

See the whole premise of no type of gun control is that citizens NEED to protect themselves mainly from criminals. Yet all over north america, crime rates are down so the real need is disappearing.

Plus you have Canada as a prime example: we have very strict laws on gun ownership and have (per capita) a shitload less crime than the US so do we "need" more guns? Nope.....

One more thing using the "mugger" as an example. Ok the mugger has a gun. We (the possible victim) have a gun. We are now equal in the terms of the argument. Umm no. We are only equal if all the following are met:
1) Both guns are identical
2) both guns are drawn (if we the victim have it in our pocket, it is useless)
3) We both have equal training on the use of the gun

Regarding 1) both guns are identical. If the mugger has a sawed off pump shotgun, and we have a .22 automatic. We'd have to hit him about 6 times to stop him. Even hitting him in the head doesn't mean a kill shot. .22s have been known to bounce off a person's skull...but he only has to fire one shot, in our general direction to stop us in our tracks.

There is a movie out called "gun fight". In one segment there is a convention room full of pro-gunners and there are people on stage giving speeches about how wrong any sort of gun control is. The room had a balcony behind the floor seats that wasn't being used. I couldn't help but think: if 4 guys with automatic machine pistols, or AK's, or AR15s got onto that balcony, how many on that floor would be able to turn, draw their weapon, and stop the shooters? I'd say maybe 1 out of the hundred and then, he'd have to be a damn good shot and have to be cool under fire because if ONE of the shooters saw him draw, he'd be facing someone with a high cyclic rate weapon.....

They also presented an argument that if ONE virgina state student had a gun, there would have been a lot less casualties. I say this: if there were stricter gun controls, they wouldn't NEED to worry about having a gun because the shooter wouldn't have one either.....
 
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