holy crap, -13 today and I have to work outside....

[Guido]

I finished my basement last year. The contractors did all the wiring up to the point of the electrical panel which I had to have changed. Once the time came to actually change the panel, the contractor did bring in a licensed Electrician. I don't know if all contractors work in the same fashion but I felt more at ease knowing the Electrician was licensed.

 

[tboy]

I finished my basement last year. The contractors did all the wiring up to the point of the electrical panel which I had to have changed. Once the time came to actually change the panel, the contractor did bring in a licensed Electrician. I don't know if all contractors work in the same fashion but I felt more at ease knowing the Electrician was licensed.

And you know this how? Did you ask to see his licence papers issued by the board?

I have been on ....five remodels, and was a site manager for a 300 unit condo developement. I was on hand when the building inspectors came to approve each step of the way and at NO time did I EVER see him ask to see the licences of the people who do the electrical work. NEVER.

Further to that, just 4 weeks ago we laid the footings for the house I'm working on now. The inspector came, saw, and approved. At no time did he ask to see the foreman's licence, my Master's Licence or any of the 6 other guys standing around.

Now I will say this: there are certain companies who demand that any company contracted has to be licenced. Namely large buildings such as the Skydome, Condos, office buildings etc but that isn't to say that anyone who works for them IS licenced. Hell, all construction would stop immediately if that were the case.

 

[-b]

You can say whatever you need a license to get work Pass......You can have apprentice but Some one who is license has to inspect it before the inspectors come........In the pass you did not......I also have family who work in York...TO.....etc......I know if I said that to them they would want to know who the inspectors are......because they would be in trouble........Say whatever........

 

[Transient]

The confusion here is the terminology. I believe the electrical contractor has to apply for the permit. Any joe shmoe can do the "wiring". I see these houses all the time on Holmes on Homes.

 

[tboy]

The confusion here is the terminology. I believe the electrical contractor has to apply for the permit. Any joe shmoe can do the "wiring". I see these houses all the time on Holmes on Homes.

Actually no, the home owner can apply for the permit. They don't need to list or notify the building dept. of who will be doing the work.

For eg: I recently completed a large deck job this past summer and the home owner went in to get a permit. They didn't ask him "who is doing the work" only that he have detailed drawings showing what was planned to be done. I am NOT a licenced structural engineer yet they approved my drawings since they were up to code.

As for your holmes on homes, a LOT of those wiring jobs are done by licenced electricians. Just because someone has a licence, doesn't mean they are good at their job. I'd also like to point out that most of those botched jobs you see on holmes on homes were NOT inspected by the building depts. If they were, the homeowner wouldn't be dealing with Holmes.....

A perfect example of this is drivers on the roads around toronto: I'd say 99.9% of them are licenced but a lot less than that are good drivers.....

 

[tboy]

You can say whatever you need a license to get work Pass......You can have apprentice but Some one who is license has to inspect it before the inspectors come........In the pass you did not......I also have family who work in York...TO.....etc......I know if I said that to them they would want to know who the inspectors are......because they would be in trouble........Say whatever........

Sorry, you're 100% incorrect on this one. No one HAS to inspect the work before the inspector comes, that's what the inspector is for, to ensure the work is done to code.

Once again, sorry, I didn't take down the names from all building inspectors I've dealt with in the past 15 yrs......

 

[Transient]

So this 2009 regulation is no longer the case.

1. The 2009 Canadian Electrical Code, Part I, Twenty-First Edition
is amended by the revocation of Rule 2-004 and the substitution of
the following:

2-004 Permit
2-004 (1) An electrical contractor responsible for the carrying out of the
work shall apply to the Department for an electrical work permit before
commencing work with respect to the installation, alteration, repair, or
extension of any electrical equipment.
(2) An electrical work permit is deemed to be issued upon receipt of
the completed application by the Department.
2. The Code is amended by the revocation of Rule 2-006 and the
substitution of the following:
2-006 Application for Inspection Permit
2-006 (1) An applicant shall complete and file an application for an
electrical permit with the Department on the form approved by the
Department
(a) giving sufficient and complete information to enable the
inspection to be completed at the discretion of a Senior Electrical
Inspector;
(b) providing the exact date on which the installation will be ready
for inspection; and
(c) in the case of a subdivision or a mobile home court, giving the
lot number where the installation is located.
(2) An applicant shall complete and file a separate application form
under this section for each building in which the electrical work will be
undertaken.
(3) No person shall submit an application under this section unless that
person is the electrical contractor who actually performs the work at the
installation.
(4) A person who installs an electrical installation without an electrical
work permit issued under this section commits an offence and
(a) is liable to have his or her license as an electrical contractor
suspended by the Department; and Updated 2011 Electrical Inspection Act Cap. E-3 3
Canadian Electrical Code Regulations
3
(b) is subject to a minimum penalty of $50 in addition to any other
penalty imposed under the Act, these regulations or any other
regulations made under the Act.

 

[tboy]

Actually, that may be true as the work I was referring to was done prior to 2009. Maybe they caught on that homeowners were applying for permits then doing it themselves? I don't know.

All I know is that not everyone who does electrical work, and that work is inspected and approved, is a licenced electrician. Further to the section of the "code" it is impossible that anyone doing any of the electrical work must be the one applying for the permit. If that truly were the case then every person working for the contractor would have to be present at the time of application and or have their name listed on the permit. It could be the case where a company representative is the one applying for the permit and anyone in their employ falls under their pervue.

As I said, if anyone doing any work had to be licenced then all construction in the country would grind to a halt. Think of it this way: if one wanted to become a framer, bricklayer, electrican, etc, how could they learn the trade if they weren't allowed to actually practice what is described in the text books? You have to have real world experience and if they couldn't get that real world experience, eventually there would be no one to complete the work....

Anyhow, I will check with management on Monday and get back to you on this......

Actually, without too much digging, I found this on the ESA site:

[h=3]How to Arrange for an Electrical Inspection[/h]An electrical inspection is required for any new electrical installation. Homeowners should not take out an application on behalf of a contractor.
Homeowners who are doing their own electrical installations should contact the Electrical Safety Authority at 1-877-372-7233 to arrange for an electrical inspection. These arrangements should be made up to 48 hours after the commencement of work.

That bolded line indicates that they shouldn't, doesn't mean they don't or can't.....

Interesting how the Building Code and the ESA don't agree......hmmmmm

 

[papasmerf]

And you know this how? Did you ask to see his licence papers issued by the board?

I have been on ....five remodels, and was a site manager for a 300 unit condo developement. I was on hand when the building inspectors came to approve each step of the way and at NO time did I EVER see him ask to see the licences of the people who do the electrical work. NEVER.

I don't know how it works there but here to draw the electrical permit you need the license for that city or suburb.

A few towns will let the homeowner draw the permit.

 

[tboy]

I don't know how it works there but here to draw the electrical permit you need the license for that city or suburb.

A few towns will let the homeowner draw the permit.

As Tranny pointed out, seems like the code has changed up here (either that or it just wasn't enforced)......Just like when my customer went to get the permit for his deck this past summer. He got it with my drawings and I'm not a structural engineer or an architect, I just know what I'm doing.

 

[-b]

As I said they changed it a few years back......You need a License to do the work or be learning from some one who has one. They have to inspect the work before the City inspect it.....From here to Parry Sound and that area....that all I know .....I can always ask......but I do not really care for these things.........

 

[Guido]

And you know this how? Did you ask to see his licence papers issued by the board?

Believe it or not, the Electrician who was contracted by the contractor happened to be an old friend of mine from high school. We hadn't seen each other in over 15 years. We've since became old chums again so yes in this particular case I do know he's licensed but you're right I wouldn't have asked to see his paper work under normal circumstances.

 

[tboy]

As I said they changed it a few years back......You need a License to do the work or be learning from some one who has one. They have to inspect the work before the City inspect it.....From here to Parry Sound and that area....that all I know .....I can always ask......but I do not really care for these things.........

So, you've changed your story. You said all work must be done by a licenced electrician, then when I prove you wrong, you go on to say "or learning from someone who has one"......thanks for proving my point.

And what's with this Parry Sound bullshit? I don't live anywhere NEAR parry sound.......

 

[SillyGirl]

Holy crap, 18C today and i have to walk outside! :tongue:

 

[-b]

So, you've changed your story. You said all work must be done by a licenced electrician, then when I prove you wrong, you go on to say "or learning from someone who has one"......thanks for proving my point.

And what's with this Parry Sound bullshit? I don't live anywhere NEAR parry sound.......

Blah, Blah .....go back read my post again......Blah Blah......
I am not getting into a pissing war with you........you may threaten me.........

I love when it is freezing.....It wakes you up.....:tongue: Coming in and have some cognac...

 

[Art Mann]

Holy crap, 18C today and i have to walk outside! :tongue:

Be sure to bundle up appropriately for the occasion:

 

[peace]

Holy crap, 18C today and i have to walk outside! :tongue:

:spiteful:...such a tease...

 

[tboy]

Blah, Blah .....go back read my post again......Blah Blah......
I am not getting into a pissing war with you........you may threaten me.........

I love when it is freezing.....It wakes you up.....:tongue: Coming in and have some cognac...

Blah blah these are your words....exactly.

All I am saying I have family who own construction Companies and you do need to be a license to do
wiring

 

[tboy]

Back to the topic of the thread: it's 0 today and I have to work outside, I'll be wearing just a sweater and jeans...it's like SUMMER!!!

 

[-b]

Once again tboy read all my threads....Blah Blah Blah....Stop taking pieces......
Stop trying to direct things my way.........Blah, Blah

It is really warmth.....Walk the dog.....get my butt out of bed....