How should I approach friends about group sex?

[Auggie]

I've never been in a gangbang that didn't feature a pro, but there are a few women who enjoy fucking just for sport and would entertain the thought of taking on a lot of guys at once.
It's a sign of the times, some look at sex just like a guy would, they just like to fuck and there's nothing degrading about it for them.

But some are in circumstances where money is a powerful motivator and consent isn't exactly 100%.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

I would have to agree with you Bosco. :great: Cuckolding is a foreign subject to me as well.

Encouraging my wife to have sex with other women on the other hand? Well, that is something I am guilty of. It just so happens my wife enjoys the intimate company of women, and that is just something I cannot provide for her. Fortunately though, it is not something I have a problem with and she also has no issue sharing me with her GF's either.

Furthermore, in our situation, our children are very well aware of the fact that their parents still love each other immensely, and even after 23 years are still very much intimate with each other, so hopefully they will be well rounded and loving adults when they reach adulthood as well. Having had many friends whose parents split and get divorced as a result of incompatible sexual intimacy issues, they are very much aware of the fact that sexual intimacy is paramount to a parent's happiness.

Bravo, excellently worded response....10/10

 

[tboy]

Oh I have no problem with women wanting and enjoying sex as much as the next...ahem...guy lol....good for them! But it is difficult to classify "just as a guy would" because, by this thread alone there are a LOT of different viewpoints on sex from guys.

By the same token however I think it's just as degrading to the wingnut maless who participate in the gangbangs too...but that's just me.....

Now using terms already expressed in this thread, you could say "kudos to the guys and the women who participate in these things. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that". Sure, it also takes a certain type of person to have sex with animals but do they deserve kudos too? Yeah, you can say "that's crossing the line" but by the same token, for some of us, the line is having another man in the room. For some, it's having 2 men in the same bed. For some, it's shitting on, or getting shit on......

 

[Cycleguy007]

SOrry CG, I didn't know there was a difference between MMF and MFM, I thought the initials were all that was important, not the order lol.....

I still think you misunderstand my why question. Let me put it another way: you're describing Mr Dallas' presence as an IF situation. You could only have sex with Mrs Dallas IF he was present, not BECAUSE he was present. Now put that into the MFM scenario and it seems like you had the MFM only IF he was there, you didn't have it BECAUSE he was there.

I also doubt that him being there was a pre-requisite to you having sex with amy and sarah and......

anyhow, Kudos to me for being a certain type that believes in monogamy "high 5's himself" lol......

(put it another way: IF the only way I could bang Jennifer Aniston was IF Brad was banging Angelina on the other side of the room, hell yeah I'd do it...but if the only way I could bang Jennifer was IF Brad was finger cuffing her, then No, I'd pass.......)

Oh yes... the arrangement of the M's and F's is VERY important! LOL :shock:

OK, I'm trying to understand what your point is. (Not sure about your analogy with Jenn and Angelina/ Brad though but OK)

To be clear, while in Cancun, aside from the ladies playing together an awful lot, we also swapped partners a couple times, (which was initiated by the ladies) and were on different beds in the same room, and then there was that one night in Texas where the ladies pulled a complete wife swap on us in which we each were lead into a different room by the other's wife. In those scenarios (which were not encouraged by either Mr. Dallas or myself), we were all willing participants.

Oh, and no, Mr Dallas had nothing what-so-ever to do with "Amy" and "Sarah". Those were strictly FMF 3ways with Mrs. CG & myself.

In Detroit, with the MFM 3-ways, 1 of them involved Mr. Dallas, Mrs. Dallas and myself, and the other was myself, Mrs CG and Mr. Dallas. In either case Mr Dallas had to be there because he was, well he was the other "M". LOL

As for your monogamy comment, well, technically, it is true, we can no longer be considered monogamous, since we occasionally encourage other women to join us in sexual situations, but everyone is in agreement and no one does anything that isn't completely acceptable by all concerned. In other words, no one is "cheating" since everyone knows and agrees. In the case of the Dallas's, there was an extra dude thrown into the mix, so further negotiations took place. LOL uch:

 

[tboy]

I would have to agree with you Bosco. :great: Cuckolding is a foreign subject to me as well.

Encouraging my wife to have sex with other women on the other hand? Well, that is something I am guilty of. It just so happens my wife enjoys the intimate company of women, and that is just something I cannot provide for her. Fortunately though, it is not something I have a problem with and she also has no issue sharing me with her GF's either.

Furthermore, in our situation, our children are very well aware of the fact that their parents still love each other immensely, and even after 23 years are still very much intimate with each other, so hopefully they will be well rounded and loving adults when they reach adulthood as well. Having had many friends whose parents split and get divorced as a result of incompatible sexual intimacy issues, they are very much aware of the fact that sexual intimacy is paramount to a parent's happiness.

It's funny, I've seen quite a few programs on sexual issues etc and many of them touched on this very subject: married women who have encounters with other women and how the husbands don't get concerned when it's another woman. Yet they stated statistics showing that a lot (don't know the numbers) of marriages in this situation ended when the woman found another woman to run away with. The point was that the dangers are still there, whether it is a male or female.

I've expressed this to CG before but should the Mrs ever encounter another female that she falls for, would the same statement above be true? I think a caveat would accompany it. Something like: marriages fail even though we did all this......

I don't want to say it will happen this time, but every swinging, swapping, or open marriage I have ever known has ended badly. EVERY one. It is simply the law of averages. Keep something up long enough and eventually the worst will happen.

 

[Cycleguy007]

I don't want to say it will happen this time, but every swinging, swapping, or open marriage I have ever known has ended badly. EVERY one. It is simply the law of averages. Keep something up long enough and eventually the worst will happen.

Whereas I can empathize with this statement... I am discovering that the "swinging" lifestyle is very much underground. In most cases NO ONE outside the culture knows a thing about a couple's sexual proclivities behind closed doors.

I don't doubt what you say tboy, but I'm sure the national averages are quite different than just your circle of friends. :tongue: Marriages fail for a multitude of reasons. That much is fact.

 

[Auggie]

I suspect for a lot of couples that swinging was a last resort, she gave into his need to spice things up and isn't fully on board but willing to try.
But if they approached it for other reasons and their marriage was sound then I think it could strengthen the relationship because they are communicating their feelings.

 

[Cycleguy007]

But if they approached it for other reasons and their marriage was sound then I think it could strengthen the relationship because they are communicating their feelings.

 

[tboy]

Whereas I can empathize with this statement... I am discovering that the "swinging" culture is very much underground. In most cases NO ONE outside the culture knows a thing about a couple's sexual proclivities behind closed doors.

I don't doubt what you say tboy, but I'm sure the national averages are quite different than just your circle of friends. :tongue: Marriages fail for a multitude of reasons. That much is fact.

That's just it, everyone indicates that it is underground, but so were S & M clubs and now they have store fronts!!! (right on queen st, west of spadina). These programs I watched had segments that were filmed in swinging clubs, talking to swingers, etc. So it might not be as underground as you think.

Back to the MFM for a minute. WHat I'm getting it is that for some, the attraction of the MFM is having the male there. ie: being sexually intimate with a man, but not going full homo. That's the difference between if and because. Your goal was to have sex with Mrs Dallas and you could only do that IF he was there. If he wasn't there, you couldn't. Conversely, you didn't have sex with Mrs Dallas BECAUSE he was there, with HIM being part of the reason you had sex with Mrs D.....

This alludes back to the OP whereby he wanted to have group sex with another couple. That is totally different than wanting to have sex with another man's woman......

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

I don't want to say it will happen this time, but every swinging, swapping, or open marriage I have ever known has ended badly. EVERY one. It is simply the law of averages. Keep something up long enough and eventually the worst will happen.

This has been my experience as well. It is almost as if swinging were like tempting fate.

The other thing I have noticed is that a great number of people in ''the lifestyle'' are sex addicts and they slowly let it control their lives.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

But if they approached it for other reasons and their marriage was sound then I think it could strengthen the relationship because they are communicating their feelings.

So for sake of argument if their marriage was sound why would they need to have sex with other partners?

 

[peace]

How about another analogy shall we:

Would you eat this?

I am a big fan of Asian food but i couldnt eat this at all. Its called Balut. My former ex girlfriend's gorgeous sister ate this in front of us. After that, she didnt seem too attractive ....lol

 

[tboy]

So for sake of argument if their marriage was sound why would they need to have sex with other partners?

To coin a phrase:

lol

Now I will admit that the longest I've ever had sex with the same woman was 6 yrs but I will also admit that sex (for me) was as hot and exciting the last week we were together as the first week. Now after 20 yrs? I can't say.....

Now I hope for CG's sake he's one of the ones that don't break up because of the lifestyle but I compare it to shooting an M16 on full auto at an archery target: you're going to hit all over the place but sooner or later, if you keep putting mags in, you're going to get one right in the middle of the bullseye.....

I've teased CG about this before but it's always fun:

Wife plays with women- check
Wife invites CG to play with her and the women - check
The cg's get into swapping - check
The cg's get into double teaming - check

You know what the next step in the evolution is don't you?

Mr CG is invited to plant a big wet one onto Mr Dallas - TBC

 

[Cycleguy007]

So for sake of argument if their marriage was sound why would they need to have sex with other partners?

To coin a phrase:

lol

Now I will admit that the longest I've ever had sex with the same woman was 6 yrs but I will also admit that sex (for me) was as hot and exciting the last week we were together as the first week. Now after 20 yrs? I can't say.....

Now I hope for CG's sake he's one of the ones that don't break up because of the lifestyle but I compare it to shooting an M16 on full auto at an archery target: you're going to hit all over the place but sooner or later, if you keep putting mags in, you're going to get one right in the middle of the bullseye.....

I've teased CG about this before but it's always fun:

Wife plays with women- check
Wife invites CG to play with her and the women - check
The cg's get into swapping - check
The cg's get into double teaming - check

You know what the next step in the evolution is don't you?

Jesus, you two are like pit bulls! LOL

Every one knows that variety is the spice of life, and I'm not going to "pull a Fuji" and claim that it is somewhere deeply ingrained in human DNA, to wanna have multiple sex partners, but there may in fact be some truth to that, I don't know... But I do know, that things can get stale after awhile. This being the case, some couples benefit from doing things to mix things up from time to time. Whether that be with sexy outfits, or new positions, or sex toys, sex movies, fetishes, dirty weekends, 3ways, more ways whatever works for you. But this should be used from time to time to infuse some excitement, and should not become the norm.

In OUR case, we have LOTS of fun, but at the end of the day, (and I'm speaking for my own relationship only) the best sex Mrs. CG and I have is still with JUST each other. Just last night, Mrs. CG went out with a new GF she's been starting to see, and through out the evening I was teasing her via IM, and when she got home at about 11:00ish, she and I had some of the most passionate sex we've ever had. It was just her and I, and lots of stories and imagery of all the things we've experienced together over the last 23 years, (and a few new ones). I'll spare you most of the intimate details, But at one point during a prolonged length of time in cowgirl, our eyes met, and we both simultaneously said, "OMG I love fucking you!" and we embraced in an extended DFK, culminating with a very intense mutual orgasm. Suffice to say, it was incredibly satisfying for the both of us.

I guess what I'm saying is our sexual proclivities and dalliances ENHANCE our own sex life together, it doesn't REPLACE it.

And tboy, your TBC'd scenario? :roll: Not gonna happen. I must be missing that gene, I just don't see it. I just love bald pussy too much!

 

[tboy]

pitbulls, well, if the monniker fits....!!!

And I'm happy for you CG, really I am, and I hope you don't go through the national average.

I agree that mother nature made men with the ability to go forth and spread our seed far and wide. Hence why our population is at..what.....12 billion? If she didn't make us this way, we might not have recovered as a species from things like the black plague.

marriage and monogamy are a societal concept only. I was going to say "invented by man" but that would be inaccurate. A man may claim to have invented the concept, but I can guarantee you when it was time to write that one down, it was a woman saying "if you don't write that down you'll never get any ever again".......