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There are a ton of straight, (or at least bi) women there. Just sayin'.
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I'll be there. You'll also see many girls, industry and not, dressed in awesome sexy outfits. I'm secure in my sexuality and consider getting propositioned by some gay guy the same thing as getting propositioned by a girl I don't find attractive.
Also, even though it's commonly referred to as "Gay" pride, it's about sexual diversity, inclusion, and tolerance. The reason we don't have a ""Chicks who like sucking cock and men who like to fuck chicks" parade is because no one has ever been beaten, denied a job, or killed for that.
Check your privilege, gentlemen.
Also, even though it's commonly referred to as "Gay" pride, it's about sexual diversity, inclusion, and tolerance. The reason we don't have a ""Chicks who like sucking cock and men who like to fuck chicks" parade is because no one has ever been beaten, denied a job, or killed for that.
Check your privilege, gentlemen.
Hmm no one who likes to fuck chicks has been beaten or killed because of that?
Give your head a shake dream.....
See, the thing about homosexuality that gets me, is that unless they are 'in your face' anything less is being unaccepted....I disagree wholeheartedly. I watched the series "the real L word" about the lives of real lesbians in LA and I couldn't help but shake my head at all of them who felt that they had to confront their parents about their sexual orientation....I shook my head because they basically forced their sexuality to be an issue with their parents.
I will tell you this: I have NEVER brought up the topic of who I want to fuck with my parents....ever. So why does it have to be an issue with them? I tell you what, it doesn't have to be.....
Now for the parade...do you honestly think dancing around on a float, 99.8% naked, flashing your johnson at people is going to make anyone more accepting of your lifestyle? Think about it....if you're against LGBT blocking off a major toronto street, dressing up in funny costumes, and having a parade isn't going to help your cause one bit...in fact.....i'd say it would have the exact opposite effect.....
I'm not saying anyone should hide in a closet but you don't have to shove it in my face either.....
Another thing, do you think they'd allow a "white pride" parade? A "black pride" parade? Further to the guys who like to fuck chicks, do you think they'd allow a weekend for us? Where we could block off jarvis and have strippers dancing on poles, hot and cold running escorts, sell viagra by the case out in public? How about an escorts weekend/parade?
I don't think they'd allow any of that.....
(and to dissuade anyone from thinking I am anti-LGBT in any way, I have gay co-workers, gay friends, lesbian co-workers and have had lesbian friends...in fact I've also had transgender co-workers and thought nothing of it......as for the tranny, he/she didn't come in each day to work, stand in front of my face and declare "I'M A TRANNY".......I simply accepted them all for who they are and got on with it....)
Give your head a shake dream.....
See, the thing about homosexuality that gets me, is that unless they are 'in your face' anything less is being unaccepted....I disagree wholeheartedly. I watched the series "the real L word" about the lives of real lesbians in LA and I couldn't help but shake my head at all of them who felt that they had to confront their parents about their sexual orientation....I shook my head because they basically forced their sexuality to be an issue with their parents.
I will tell you this: I have NEVER brought up the topic of who I want to fuck with my parents....ever. So why does it have to be an issue with them? I tell you what, it doesn't have to be.....
Now for the parade...do you honestly think dancing around on a float, 99.8% naked, flashing your johnson at people is going to make anyone more accepting of your lifestyle? Think about it....if you're against LGBT blocking off a major toronto street, dressing up in funny costumes, and having a parade isn't going to help your cause one bit...in fact.....i'd say it would have the exact opposite effect.....
I'm not saying anyone should hide in a closet but you don't have to shove it in my face either.....
Another thing, do you think they'd allow a "white pride" parade? A "black pride" parade? Further to the guys who like to fuck chicks, do you think they'd allow a weekend for us? Where we could block off jarvis and have strippers dancing on poles, hot and cold running escorts, sell viagra by the case out in public? How about an escorts weekend/parade?
I don't think they'd allow any of that.....
(and to dissuade anyone from thinking I am anti-LGBT in any way, I have gay co-workers, gay friends, lesbian co-workers and have had lesbian friends...in fact I've also had transgender co-workers and thought nothing of it......as for the tranny, he/she didn't come in each day to work, stand in front of my face and declare "I'M A TRANNY".......I simply accepted them all for who they are and got on with it....)
:Crying/:
This year I can not go.....
I had to cancel with my friend and she is off with another gay woman....:Crying/:
How do I get guilt into things I really do not want to do but I feel sorry for
the person.......
There is next year....and I am getting a Hotel Room.....
This year I can not go.....
I had to cancel with my friend and she is off with another gay woman....:Crying/:
How do I get guilt into things I really do not want to do but I feel sorry for
the person.......
There is next year....and I am getting a Hotel Room.....
J
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Tboy, please check the link Jesus posted. Also google the name Matthew Sheppard.
You never had to bring up the topic with you parents because heterosexuality is accepted and assumed, while homosexuality is not. Also, relying on a TV show as an example for anything is stupid. You'll be presented with drama not reality, even in "reality" tv. However if you did bring a boyfriend to the family xmas dinner, someone you've loved and shared life with for the last 8 months or years, how would they react? Be honest. How would the average parent of that generation react?
Same argument comes up every February aka Black History Month. Also Caribana. Also, my argument still stands... you're letting your privilege do your talking.
Actually, we do. It's this weekend. I've marched with SPOC in the parade 2 years ago. You missed that part about how Pride is about diversity. That includes gay, staright, bi, queer, questioning, trans, poly, assexual, kinky.
It's a celebration of inclusion, of love, and tolerance of love, whatever its form. You speaking out against it, then justifying it by saying "I have LGBTQ friends" is as weak as saying "I have a black friend, but..." You even referred to your trans co-worker as he/she, instead of showing respect and using the proper gender article.
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I posted that link because it was what the FIRST Gay Pride Parade was about.
In our supposedly evolved society the Gay Pride Parade has become not about those events but an attempt to normalize their behavior.
In time will there be a celebration of the NAMBLA parade? They have all the same rights as the rest of us and lets face it except for a small minority they are no longer victimized unless they choose to prance around with their Johnson hanging out. They have their rights but I too have the right to go into downtown Toronto and not have to face a horde of naked and semi naked men wiggling their dinks at one another in a supposed celebration of freedom.
I can't walk around a woman's gym with my cock hanging out, nor should they have the rights to do what I would be arrested for.
And for the record - One of my best friends is uber tolerant about sexuality and goes every year to the pride festivities with his girlfriend because she thinks it's tons of fun. As he told me "Dude, I have never been so uncomfortable in all my life."
In our supposedly evolved society the Gay Pride Parade has become not about those events but an attempt to normalize their behavior.
In time will there be a celebration of the NAMBLA parade? They have all the same rights as the rest of us and lets face it except for a small minority they are no longer victimized unless they choose to prance around with their Johnson hanging out. They have their rights but I too have the right to go into downtown Toronto and not have to face a horde of naked and semi naked men wiggling their dinks at one another in a supposed celebration of freedom.
I can't walk around a woman's gym with my cock hanging out, nor should they have the rights to do what I would be arrested for.
And for the record - One of my best friends is uber tolerant about sexuality and goes every year to the pride festivities with his girlfriend because she thinks it's tons of fun. As he told me "Dude, I have never been so uncomfortable in all my life."
it is toooo draining and right now my focus is just to survive. The union wont protect me even though i pay my union membership for the last 10 years. Anto can have my job but his ass grabbing techniques arent as good as mine!
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Slippery slope argument fallacy. Furthermore, you're comparing child molesting to homosexuality, another fail.
That's why gay marriage is universally accepted and no one thinks shouting "FAG!" from a moving car is funny anymore. It's why gay people can apply for all jobs without discrimination, like say scout troupe leader, a teacher, or a nursing assistant. Yes, I picked those specifically because people did get fired for being gay.
Dude, Toronto is so freakin wide, you can hang downtown and not get anywhere near the Pride stuff. It's centered around Church. Go to Queen W, Spadina, Annex, Eg/Yonge, Richmond, and it's business as usual.
So why do you or your friend feel uncomfortable? Is it the nudity, the masculinity, or the combo of both? It's one freakin weekend. Let people have their fun. Go toanother part of the city or out of it completely.
Fuck! Torontonians...always need to complain about something. :NoNoNo:
Dream:
a couple of points:
1) tv: documentaries are just that, a glimpse inside a world one isn't normally a part of. Sure, they probably focus on some aspects to make good tv but when most of the people in the show talk openly about their problems, it's less about sensationalism than informative.
As for taking someone to a family outing and not having them accepted, well, sort of. I've had my parents tell me not to bring someone around and had an gf's mother tell me to my face that i'm nothing, so i have an idea what it would be like.
2) Using the "proper" term for the tranny's gender......well, in the first place, I didn't know what that was until years later. In addition, to them being a girl turning into a boy, until you have the operation, you're transgendered....that's the end of it. You're not quite female and you're not quite male. Funny, you take offence to me calling them transgendered yet, lo and behold, that's what they're called....deal with it.
3) I have no problem saying I'm not racist but don't like a lot of black people. That's no different than me saying I have chinese friends but don't like the way a lot of chinese people act. (bear gall bladders for eg). Hate to break it to you but you don't have to like everyone of a particular race, creed or sexual orientation.
4) I support gay rights insofar as I support straight rights. They get no special treatment from me. They're just people. Isn't that what equality is like? I get into trouble all the time for my feelings on women's rights. It seems that women seem to require to be treated differently than everyone else, I disagree. I treat them no different than I treat my male friends and same goes for the homosexual people I know and work with: I don't treat them any differently than I do straight people. THAT'S equality.....
Comparing Canada Day long weekend to gay pride is ludicrous.....dude, think about it.....gay pride is about lgbt, Canada Day is for everyone, not JUST men who like to fuck women.......or Escort Pride Weekend would only allow or have a parade for escorts, no other women allowed. Further to that, do you really think that they'd allow floats of mostly naked women waiving their hooters and beavers all over the street? LOL not.........(the law specifically states that a woman cannot bare her breasts in public if done so in a sexual manner.....)
Further to gay bashing.....it has been 20 plus years since i've heard anything about this.....we've come a long way and being LGBT is accepted more now than it ever has....again, to garner acceptance you do NOT need to shove it down our throats.....
BTW: I'm also against "taste of the danforth" too, but that also doesn't mean I'm any greek, just disagree with blocking off city streets for something like this.....too often (when I lived in the city) I got caught in the mayhem caused by traffic trying to get around these areas.....I fully backed mayor Mel when he was going to put a stop to events taking place on the streets...he said "streets are for moving vehicles and people, we have plenty of venues for things of this nature".....
a couple of points:
1) tv: documentaries are just that, a glimpse inside a world one isn't normally a part of. Sure, they probably focus on some aspects to make good tv but when most of the people in the show talk openly about their problems, it's less about sensationalism than informative.
As for taking someone to a family outing and not having them accepted, well, sort of. I've had my parents tell me not to bring someone around and had an gf's mother tell me to my face that i'm nothing, so i have an idea what it would be like.
2) Using the "proper" term for the tranny's gender......well, in the first place, I didn't know what that was until years later. In addition, to them being a girl turning into a boy, until you have the operation, you're transgendered....that's the end of it. You're not quite female and you're not quite male. Funny, you take offence to me calling them transgendered yet, lo and behold, that's what they're called....deal with it.
3) I have no problem saying I'm not racist but don't like a lot of black people. That's no different than me saying I have chinese friends but don't like the way a lot of chinese people act. (bear gall bladders for eg). Hate to break it to you but you don't have to like everyone of a particular race, creed or sexual orientation.
4) I support gay rights insofar as I support straight rights. They get no special treatment from me. They're just people. Isn't that what equality is like? I get into trouble all the time for my feelings on women's rights. It seems that women seem to require to be treated differently than everyone else, I disagree. I treat them no different than I treat my male friends and same goes for the homosexual people I know and work with: I don't treat them any differently than I do straight people. THAT'S equality.....
Comparing Canada Day long weekend to gay pride is ludicrous.....dude, think about it.....gay pride is about lgbt, Canada Day is for everyone, not JUST men who like to fuck women.......or Escort Pride Weekend would only allow or have a parade for escorts, no other women allowed. Further to that, do you really think that they'd allow floats of mostly naked women waiving their hooters and beavers all over the street? LOL not.........(the law specifically states that a woman cannot bare her breasts in public if done so in a sexual manner.....)
Further to gay bashing.....it has been 20 plus years since i've heard anything about this.....we've come a long way and being LGBT is accepted more now than it ever has....again, to garner acceptance you do NOT need to shove it down our throats.....
BTW: I'm also against "taste of the danforth" too, but that also doesn't mean I'm any greek, just disagree with blocking off city streets for something like this.....too often (when I lived in the city) I got caught in the mayhem caused by traffic trying to get around these areas.....I fully backed mayor Mel when he was going to put a stop to events taking place on the streets...he said "streets are for moving vehicles and people, we have plenty of venues for things of this nature".....
As for torontonians complaining about something, you're out of line. The topic was posted and opinions asked for....you can't come in here and bitch because we're voicing our opinions then "complain" that we're complaining about the hassles it creates. You're right, we and you, are always complaining about something......
As for someone being uncomfortable, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, or what was going on.....for eg: I got really uncomfortable when (forget who it was) sucked off a cow on national tv.....or I get uncomfortable when I see someone puking......Just like I get uncomfortable or grossed out when I see two obese fat chicks scissoring each other.....one doesn't have to like everything........
I bet I could show you images that would make YOU uncomfortable.......
I think maybe you are the one who has tolerance issues....there are some of us here that feel (as is our right as a Canadian) to voice our opinion on this subject and you're condemming us for those opinions........
The bottom line is: I'm not anti-LGBT, I'm anti-pride weekend...two totally different things........and please stop trying to lump them in together......
As for someone being uncomfortable, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them, or what was going on.....for eg: I got really uncomfortable when (forget who it was) sucked off a cow on national tv.....or I get uncomfortable when I see someone puking......Just like I get uncomfortable or grossed out when I see two obese fat chicks scissoring each other.....one doesn't have to like everything........
I bet I could show you images that would make YOU uncomfortable.......
I think maybe you are the one who has tolerance issues....there are some of us here that feel (as is our right as a Canadian) to voice our opinion on this subject and you're condemming us for those opinions........
The bottom line is: I'm not anti-LGBT, I'm anti-pride weekend...two totally different things........and please stop trying to lump them in together......
Hmmmmmm tboy, I am not saying much but you sit on the fence......on subjects.
EACE:
People still get kill as those young women did for being gay.....Yes I know people get killed
for other reasons. Being straight you do not hear comments if you holding hands with the same sex...
but people do call other people names when they are walking down the street.....etc
Madman if you get rid of Peace I will surely quit....Anto run, run as fast as you can...and watch your
butt.......Oh ans wash it too encase My Lovely Reverse shows up.....:YMDAYDREAM:
EACE:People still get kill as those young women did for being gay.....Yes I know people get killed
for other reasons. Being straight you do not hear comments if you holding hands with the same sex...
but people do call other people names when they are walking down the street.....etc
Madman if you get rid of Peace I will surely quit....Anto run, run as fast as you can...and watch your
butt.......Oh ans wash it too encase My Lovely Reverse shows up.....:YMDAYDREAM:
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Tboy, your selective reading skills are as good as always. Please re-read my posts properly before you reply.
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I think the lines are blurring about what's fair and what's not. The pendulum is starting to swing towards special rights for some groups as opposed to equality for everyone.
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In your speedo you would blend right in on one of the big floats. Thank God I have Pasqualino with me safe and sound!
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I think he may have to stuff his speedo or else others may try to fit in him.
EXACTLY......now like unions, there was a time when you needed to be "in your face" in order to further your goals but we've thankfully come a long way as a society.......and you are bang on, I don't think any segment of society should require special treatment, equality means just that, equality.
Dream: i read your posts and responded to the issues you tried to bring up.....and further to that, you don't have to be anti-gay to be anti-pride weekend.....
Bliss: I'm not on the fence about anything, I don't agree that "pride" weekend should occur.....no fence sitting there. As for getting killed because you're holding hands with someone of the same sex, I challenge you to post a news article written in the last 5 yrs indicating someone has been killed because they were gay...(and I don't mean one gay man or woman killing another over infidelity or something like that, I mean specifically a hate crime....)
BTW: I'd have no problem whatsoever if the event was held at high park, center island, cherry beach, or one of the hundreds of other venues around the city....i disagree with disrupting traffic in the core......
Of course, this only a beating with baseball bats and doesn't fit your request for someone being killed for being gay. There are lots of these stories. Do a search.
Mar 15, 2012
By NBCDFW.com
Dallas police are classifying a brutal attack that sent two gay men to the hospital as a hate crime.
The couple was attacked early Tuesday morning in northeast Dallas. Police said the victims were walking to a corner store at about 2 a.m. when five men in a car pulled up alongside them and shouted anti-gay slurs.
"The language used against the victims indicated they were motivated by the perception that they were gay," said Cece Cox, CEO of the Resource Center of Dallas, one of the primary nonprofit GLBT organizations in North Texas.
Here are cases from 2010.
In Windsor, two episodes of gay bashing took place within two weeks. In mid-May, Chris Rabideau was set upon by two men who beat and robbed him; the men shouted anti-gay epithets during the attack. On May 31, two men were assaulted by an individual who, together with two others, hurled anti-gay abuse at them in a pizza restaurant. Though only one of the abusers physically attacked the men, he left one victim with facial injuries severe enough to require reconstructive surgery, reported on May 31.
Last October, 27-year-old , an openly gay man, was beaten by a number of men who emerged from a black SUV. While Skinner lay on the ground, the men got back into the vehicle and deliberately drive over him. Skinner died later in the hospital. It was only hours later that Skinner’s fiancee, Ryan Cook, learned of Skinner’s murder.
A 62-year-old gay man was knocked down by a 35-year-old who declared that, "The faggot deserved it." The victim struck his head in the fall, suffering severe brain damage. That took place in Vancouver in March of 2009.Last September, a gay Ontario man who met a prospective model was given a ride in the man’s truck. The driver suddenly launched into an assault on the passenger, striking him repeatedly and saying, "Because you’re gay you need to be punished, I’m going to fucking kill you, and you’re a faggot." The victim leapt from the vehicle and was taken to the hospital with lacerations, bruises, and a dislocated shoulder.
Four days later, another Ontario man was attacked, this time by a mob of young men who was viciously beaten with a brick and suffered multiple facial contusions and fractures.
Mar 15, 2012
By NBCDFW.com
Dallas police are classifying a brutal attack that sent two gay men to the hospital as a hate crime.
The couple was attacked early Tuesday morning in northeast Dallas. Police said the victims were walking to a corner store at about 2 a.m. when five men in a car pulled up alongside them and shouted anti-gay slurs.
"The language used against the victims indicated they were motivated by the perception that they were gay," said Cece Cox, CEO of the Resource Center of Dallas, one of the primary nonprofit GLBT organizations in North Texas.
Here are cases from 2010.
In Windsor, two episodes of gay bashing took place within two weeks. In mid-May, Chris Rabideau was set upon by two men who beat and robbed him; the men shouted anti-gay epithets during the attack. On May 31, two men were assaulted by an individual who, together with two others, hurled anti-gay abuse at them in a pizza restaurant. Though only one of the abusers physically attacked the men, he left one victim with facial injuries severe enough to require reconstructive surgery, reported on May 31.
Last October, 27-year-old , an openly gay man, was beaten by a number of men who emerged from a black SUV. While Skinner lay on the ground, the men got back into the vehicle and deliberately drive over him. Skinner died later in the hospital. It was only hours later that Skinner’s fiancee, Ryan Cook, learned of Skinner’s murder.
A 62-year-old gay man was knocked down by a 35-year-old who declared that, "The faggot deserved it." The victim struck his head in the fall, suffering severe brain damage. That took place in Vancouver in March of 2009.Last September, a gay Ontario man who met a prospective model was given a ride in the man’s truck. The driver suddenly launched into an assault on the passenger, striking him repeatedly and saying, "Because you’re gay you need to be punished, I’m going to fucking kill you, and you’re a faggot." The victim leapt from the vehicle and was taken to the hospital with lacerations, bruises, and a dislocated shoulder.
Four days later, another Ontario man was attacked, this time by a mob of young men who was viciously beaten with a brick and suffered multiple facial contusions and fractures.
