Response to Bill C36

[Allegra Escorts]

I just wanted to share this with all of you, it seems that there isn't nearly as much paranoia and fear over the new proposed legislation as there is on the other board (although maybe a bunch of you are over there getting upset) but it seems that things are still calm over here. Hopefully, things will stay that way, once you see what Katrina Pacey (one of the lawyers involved in the Bedford challenge) has to say about Peter MacKay's proposal:

https://www.pivotlegal.org/the_new_sex_work_legislation_explained

Clearly, there's no need to be worried, the new laws won't satisfy the constitutional requirements outlined in the Bedford decision. They're just proposing this to pander to the evangelical wing of the CPC, and there's no chance these laws will survive even the first time they're put to trial. This is political partisanship, nothing more.

As I said elsewhere, tomorrow, it'll still be business as usual.

 

[jack bauer]

Hopefully you're right.
But that said, even going to trial would likely be devastating to the guy who gets caught up in this dragnet.

No, we need to fight this tooth and nail. To nip it in the bud before it ever gets that far.

 

[Raiden]

Hopefully you're right.
But that said, even going to trial would likely be devastating to the guy who gets caught up in this dragnet.

No, we need to fight this tooth and nail. To nip it in the bud before it ever gets that far.

I totally concur with Jack. Imagine the devastation , ruined careers and families a charge like this would cause. They have no business interfering in consensual sex between adults where no one is forced into anything. The Conservatives have officially lost my vote and that goes for the provincial conservatives as well!

 

[Bigwillie]

How will this affect review boards?

 

[DannyDeVito]

Wow, what am I to do now if it becomes a bill?.

 

[Allegra Escorts]

The same thing as you did before - do your research, stick to the well-regarded and respectfully-run agencies, be discreet, avoid the street scene, and enjoy yourself.

Remember guys, there used to be laws against public communication and laws against being found in a bawdy house, those laws affected clients much like the new proposed ones would. It didn't stop you from hobbying, it just made you a little more cautious. Just go about your business the same way, and trust that the wheels of justice, even if they move slowly, will still find these ridiculous laws as unconstitutional as the old ones.

It's not like the cops want to waste their time chasing after internet sites and review boards anyways - they'll keep focusing on exploitation and trafficking, just as they were before. They'll go after the low-hanging fruit, like the curb-crawlers, they're not interested in decent daytime clients. Too much work, not enough payoff for their efforts. I would, of course, be VERY suspicious of any 18-year-old Backpage ads offering everything for $80/hr, but legit agencies and well-reviewed indies should be perfectly safe.

 

[Getit]

The same thing as you did before - do your research, stick to the well-regarded and respectfully-run agencies, be discreet, avoid the street scene, and enjoy yourself.

Remember guys, there used to be laws against public communication and laws against being found in a bawdy house, those laws affected clients much like the new proposed ones would. It didn't stop you from hobbying, it just made you a little more cautious. Just go about your business the same way, and trust that the wheels of justice, even if they move slowly, will still find these ridiculous laws as unconstitutional as the old ones.

It's not like the cops want to waste their time chasing after internet sites and review boards anyways - they'll keep focusing on exploitation and trafficking, just as they were before. They'll go after the low-hanging fruit, like the curb-crawlers, they're not interested in decent daytime clients. Too much work, not enough payoff for their efforts. I would, of course, be VERY suspicious of any 18-year-old Backpage ads offering everything for $80/hr, but legit agencies and well-reviewed indies should be perfectly safe.

But it says you cannot advertise. What are options now?.

 

[Allegra Escorts]

But it says you cannot advertise. What are options now?.

The newspapers are already mobilizing their lawyers to challenge this provision under Canada's freedom of speech laws. As long as prostitution remains legal, it's a violation of our freedom of speech to make advertising illegal. This provision is probably the least worrisome of them all, because it's the one that's the most obviously unconstitutional.

 

[Jackson]

Tough to understand the logic where SP can only advertise if not from their home. Really a tough pill to swallow for our girls.

 

[King Kong]

For the first time ever I am worried.

 

[User-E]

This was posted on another forum by a member of Anonymous:

"#Anonymous message on the new prostitution bill

Greeting members of the Pacific Escort Review Board. We are Anonymous.

Today, the depraved government of this land brought forth a bill which will criminalize a transaction that is very often between two consenting adults. Anonymous believes this bill is nothing more than a political chess game. As the bill is likely to end up back in the courts thereby getting it out of the lap of the Conservative government who are up for re-election next year

But we are not here to discuss this. We are here to ask those of you with legal experience to compare minimum and maximum sentences for those convicted of purchasing sex & those convicted of possession of child porn. Our quick research (while unscientific) shows that the maximum prison sentence for purchasing sex from a prostitute may exceed that of a person caught possessing child pornography. We are making this public in the hopes that those of you with legal experience will do the research and share your findings with the public & the media. We encourage you to share the information with media & if you use Twitter, please create a pastebin & share with @youranonnews. Spread the word!

Anonymous"

 

[Hitter]

Can we all keep calm for now before they decide to veto it or not?.

 

[jack bauer]

The same thing as you did before - do your research, stick to the well-regarded and respectfully-run agencies, be discreet, avoid the street scene, and enjoy yourself.

Remember guys, there used to be laws against public communication and laws against being found in a bawdy house, those laws affected clients much like the new proposed ones would. It didn't stop you from hobbying, it just made you a little more cautious. Just go about your business the same way, and trust that the wheels of justice, even if they move slowly, will still find these ridiculous laws as unconstitutional as the old ones.

It's not like the cops want to waste their time chasing after internet sites and review boards anyways - they'll keep focusing on exploitation and trafficking, just as they were before. They'll go after the low-hanging fruit, like the curb-crawlers, they're not interested in decent daytime clients. Too much work, not enough payoff for their efforts. I would, of course, be VERY suspicious of any 18-year-old Backpage ads offering everything for $80/hr, but legit agencies and well-reviewed indies should be perfectly safe.

By my reading, agencies will not be safe.. particularly related to the "advertising" and "procuring" provisions... as well as the "communicating" (phone girls)

 

[ProudJoe]

What are our options now?.

Retire?.

 

[Analme]

Alan Young will hopefully rain on Mackay's parade

Alan Young will hopefully rain on Mackay's parade


Alan Young, who teaches law at Osgoode Hall Law School, said keeping prostitutes out of areas in which people under 18 are found, while also banning advertising of sexual services over the Internet, leaves them with no safe place.
“At the end of the day it still raises the question of what is a safe forum for someone to legally sell sexual services,” he said in an interview. “I think the government position is ‘we don’t want to provide a safe forum.’ But that isn’t really their call anymore.”
The Supreme Court case garnered so much attention that the Justice Department launched a public consultation to hear the views of Canadians, including those who work in prostitution. “I personally sat down with a large group that covered the spectrum from those who advocated for complete legalization to those who advocate for complete criminalization,” Mr. MacKay said.
The Conservatives’ new take on prostitution laws was foreshadowed earlier this week, when the results of the month-long consultation showed a majority of Canadians felt purchasing sexual services and benefiting economically from the prostitution of an adult should be criminal offences. According to the Canadian Press, which obtained the findings culled from 31,000 responses, about two-thirds said selling sexual services shouldn’t be an offence.
Criminalizing one side of the transaction – the buying, but not the selling – is dubbed the Nordic model thanks to the nations that subscribe to it. Proponents say the approach, which also includes social programs aimed at getting people out of prostitution, protects prostitutes and seeks to eradicate sex work. Critics say the model further stigmatizes sex work and makes prostitution more dangerous by moving the sex trade out of public view and away from potential police interaction.
“There is a strong body of evidence to show that this approach is harmful and inconsistent with sex workers’ constitutional rights to health and safety,” the Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Reform said Wednesday before the bill was tabled but amid widespread speculation it would take the Nordic approach. “This form of criminalization reproduces and increases the harms and violence that sex workers experienced under the laws that were struck down in [the Supreme Court case, Canada v. Bedford].”
The group said Canada should respect women’s constitutional rights and take the New Zealand approach: rather than criminalize prostitution, it should take a minor regulatory role, such as limiting the purchasing of sexual services from those younger than 18 and requiring that condoms be used.
Asked by reporters about his thoughts on the Nordic model Tuesday, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau would say only he looked forward to seeing the bill and discussing it with his caucus and Canadians across the country.
The legislation currently on the books in Canada is a hybrid of decriminalization and prohibition, an approach taken by countries like England in which prostitution itself is legal but almost every activity associated with it is criminalized.
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[lovelatinas]

Speaking about LE after the bill is passed, I am thinking of voting for Rob Ford if he intends to slash the Toronto Police budget. Therefore LE would not have enough resources to run raids and stings against escorts and agencies. They focus their energy on drugs, shootings and gun violence.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

What are our options now?.

Retire?.

That is an option until the laws are overturned once again. This could be a 3 - 5 year wait for it to get to the Supreme Court once again. The more important thing is how the police will handle this. Will they choose to enforce the new law when passed just to make a point or will they ignore it as they have been doing with the present laws.

Once again....government in our bedrooms and pandering to the Evangelical Right. I'm surprised the Conservatives didn't decide to criminalize sodomy while they were at this.

 

[papasmerf]

That is an option until the laws are overturned once again. This could be a 3 - 5 year wait for it to get to the Supreme Court once again. The more important thing is how the police will handle this. Will they choose to enforce the new law when passed just to make a point or will they ignore it as they have been doing with the present laws.

Once again....government in our bedrooms and pandering to the Evangelical Right. I'm surprised the Conservatives didn't decide to criminalize sodomy while they were at this.

Because there are so many sheep ripe for the taking

 

[Butch]

I am calm :NoNoNo:

 

[Madman]

A very disappointing day but when you have religion in politics with people forcing their stupid ridiculous morals down our throats this is exactly what you get. Watching Peter Mackay at the podium made me want to vomit. If anyone who enjoys seeing the ladies and the ladies themselves who make a living off of us so called PERVERTS I seriously urge you to consider not every voting reform party again, yes they are the REFORM PARTY.

I'm pissed, what a shitty day!