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How stupid and arrogant can one be. All he had to do was apologize and give the money back a while ago but he thought he was invincible.

Deserves to get booted?.

To me, damn right.



In a bombshell ruling, a judge has found Mayor Rob Ford guilty of breaching provincial conflict of interest law and ordered him removed from office in 14 days — though Ford can launch an appeal, and also seek an order to allow him to stay in office until the appeals process is done.

Rob Ford out: Text of judge’s decision

James: All Torontonians will pay for Rob Ford's ‘wilful blindness’

Ford has 30 days to appeal. If his lawyer cannot convince Divisional Court to “stay” the removal order within the 14 days, council will have the option of either appointing a councillor to be caretaker mayor until the end of the term in December 2014 or triggering a $7-million byelection.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Charles Hackland’s decision appears to disqualify Ford from running in any byelection held before the regularly scheduled October 2014 mayoral election, but it does not say he can’t run in future elections. Hackland could have banned Ford from running for up to seven years.


“I’m going to appeal it and carry on with my job. I’m a fighter,” Ford told a crush of reporters outside his city hall office shortly after noon. “I’ve done a lot of great work in this city and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose . . .

“This comes down to left-wing politics. The left wing wants me out of here and they’ll do anything in their power. I’m going to fight tooth and nail to hold on to my job. If they do for some reason get me out I’ll be running right back. As soon as the next election, if there’s a byelection, I’ll be the first name on the ballot.”

The case centred around Ford’s decision to participate in a February council debate on whether he should be forced to repay $3,150 to lobbyists whose donations to his football foundation he improperly accepted.

Ford made an impassioned speech urging council to excuse him — “To ask me to pay it out of my own pocket personally, there is just, there is no sense to this,” he said — and then voted with the 22-12 majority to cancel an earlier council order to reimburse the money.

The Municipal Conflict of Interest Act, a provincial law, is strict: members of council cannot speak or vote on issues in which they have a financial interest.

Hackland could have allowed Ford to keep his job, even if he found that Ford broke the law, by accepting the argument that Ford’s actions were inadvertent or a result of an error in judgment, or that the amount of money in question — $3,150 — was unlikely to influence him.

But Hackland rejected all of the arguments put forth by Ford’s lawyer, Alan Lenczner. In dismissing the suggestion that Ford had made an error in judgment, Hackland suggested Ford had deliberately ignored the law in question.


“In view of the respondent’s leadership role in ensuring integrity in municipal government, it is difficult to accept an error in judgment defence based essentially on a stubborn sense of entitlement (concerning his football foundation) and a dismissive and confrontational attitude to the Integrity Commissioner and the Code of Conduct,” Hackland wrote.

“In my opinion, the respondent’s actions were characterized by ignorance of the law and a lack of diligence in securing professional advice, amounting to wilful blindness. As such, I find his actions are incompatible with an error in judgment.”

Hackland wrote, “Inadvertence involves oversight, inattention or carelessness. On the contrary, (Ford)’s participation was a deliberate choice.” And he noted that Ford himself told council in his speech that “personal repayment of $3,150 is precisely the issue that he objects to and delivering this message was his clear reason for speaking and voting as he did at the council meeting.”

Lenczner also contended that the conflict of interest law didn’t apply in this case and that council didn’t have the authority to force Ford to repay the money. Hackland disagreed.

Lenczner contended that the law is unfair if it does not allow councillors to speak in their own defence when they are faced with a financial penalty. Hackland suggested that the law might need reform — but he said the law is what it is at the moment, and the speaking issue “does not have anything to do with and cannot provide a justification for voting (rather than speaking) on a matter, as the respondent chose to do in this case.”

The saga began in 2010, when the city’s integrity commissioner, Janet Leiper,

Magder, aided by prominent lawyer Clayton Ruby, filed a lawsuit alleging Ford broke the law.

At the September court hearing, Ruby argued Ford was “reckless” and “wilfully ignorant” of the law when he did not recuse himself from the debate and vote.
Ford, who was on council for a decade before becoming mayor in late 2010, testified he never read the Conflict of Interest Act or the councillor orientation handbook. Nor, he said, did he attend councillor training sessions that covered conflicts of interest.

The mayor promised in his oath of office to “disclose conflicts of interest” but, when asked by Ruby if he understood the words, Ford said: “No. My interpretation of a conflict of interest, again, is it takes two parties and the city must benefit or a member of council must benefit.”


“As mayor he ought to have had a clear understanding of his obligations,” Ruby said. “This entire pattern of conduct shows that he chose to remain ignorant, and substituted his own view for that of the law,”

Ford, longtime coach of Etobicoke’s Don Bosco Eagles, vehemently disagreed, saying he acted only in the best interests of high school students.

Ford himself went into the trial saying he did nothing wrong. But during the grilling by Ruby, he allowed that, if he had been advised that voting on the matter could land him in court, he wouldn’t have voted.

“I would have declared a conflict like I have every other time,” Ford said. “But now that we’re here, I’m here. I can’t change what happened.”

Magder was directed to Ruby by Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler, a left-leaning civic activist and former trustee candidate who himself challenged Ford’s campaign financial statements. The city’s compliance audit committee found reason to ask for a forensic audit, which is expected to be completed by the end of December.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/ar...d-guilty-kicked-from-office-but-can-run-again
 
We now get to pay the price for a new election.

Torontonians may have to pay an estimated $7 million to stage a city-wide byelection to replace the mayor.
 
What's the old adage "we get the government we deserve?"

Why do I get the government everyone else deserves? :biggrin2:
 
He cared more about his football team than running the city. His priorities were out of wack. I hope the new Mayor isn't another David Miller type.
 
Rob Ford lives and breaths the city of Toronto. I dont begrudge his soliciting donations for his football team which are filled with kids. The money he raised was not exhorbitant, it was under $3200, barely enough to outfit a team with uniforms and some safety gear. I see people like Adam Vaughn blackmailing developers into spending tens of millions of dollars more, driving the cost of housing and rent up on these buildings they are trying to put up.

I heard Ruby's quote of "no one being above the law", which is a nice sentiment, however he forgets that his client Magder flouted the law so hard that he was fined into near bankruptcy. The good that came from that fight now allows everyone to shop on Sunday. But this decision is going to set a dangerous trend. I know of no politicians that have not broken any laws or ethics while in office. If someone doesn't like a particular politician, no problem, we'll sue him or her in court and have them thrown out of political office. This is not a healthy move. It's up to the voting public to make that decision if a politician should remain in his or her office.

I really dont care whether you like Ford or you hate him. He set some voting records the day he was elected to office, commanding 47% of the popular vote with a 52% voter turn-out. The majority wanted him as Mayor. We have to respect the electoral process even if we dont agree with the end results. Ford did not break a federal or provincial law, that is serious enough to have someone removed from public office. Even if this was David Miller instead of Rob Ford (and I detested David Miller) I would still be disagreeing with the court's decision. It's not up to the courts, its up to the voting public.


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Rob Ford lives and breaths the city of Toronto. I dont begrudge his soliciting donations for his football team which are filled with kids. The money he raised was not exhorbitant, it was under $3200, barely enough to outfit a team with uniforms and some safety gear. I see people like Adam Vaughn blackmailing developers into spending tens of millions of dollars more, driving the cost of housing and rent up on these buildings they are trying to put up.

I heard Ruby's quote of "no one being above the law", which is a nice sentiment, however he forgets that his client Magder flouted the law so hard that he was fined into near bankruptcy. The good that came from that fight now allows everyone to shop on Sunday. But this decision is going to set a dangerous trend. I know of no politicians that have not broken any laws or ethics while in office. If someone doesn't like a particular politician, no problem, we'll sue him or her in court and have them thrown out of political office. This is not a healthy move. It's up to the voting public to make that decision if a politician should remain in his or her office.

I really dont care whether you like Ford or you hate him. He set some voting records the day he was elected to office, commanding 47% of the popular vote with a 52% voter turn-out. The majority wanted him as Mayor. We have to respect the electoral process even if we dont agree with the end results. Ford did not break a federal or provincial law, that is serious enough to have someone removed from public office. Even if this was David Miller instead of Rob Ford (and I detested David Miller) I would still be disagreeing with the court's decision. It's not up to the courts, its up to the voting public.


/soapbox

Reminds me I should vote. Haven't in years.

Yes I will vote for Ford, at least we know what we are getting.
 
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ROB FORD did this to ROB FORD!

The bumbling idiot has been nothing but an embarrassment to Toronto.
 
Be nice HOF..... He was a good man who did a hell of a lot of good for this city. Miller left us with a fiscal disaster. We may not see eye to eye on this but the court case sets a very bad precedent IMHO.
 
Be nice HOF..... He was a good man who did a hell of a lot of good for this city. Miller left us with a fiscal disaster. We may not see eye to eye on this but the court case sets a very bad precedent IMHO.


I used to think that way. But after turning a blind eye to his texting- calling and driving. Then he giving the finger- his negligence to keep his bet on the weight bet- I can go on.

Sorry to say but we need a Mayor with an authoritative presence that is not full of himself and cares about what people think. His brother was just as bad.

Being born with money does not guarantee or gives you the right to be arrogant and nonchalant of peoples's requests.

Think about it. He thought with his penny pinching ways he could get away with anything.

Wrong and you know it Shiek.
 
I understand that but its the precedent that I see being set for the future. Courts having the power to remove a politician from his elected position is the slippery slope. This means that anyone can sue a politician that they dont like and have them removed from their elected seat.

This is something that should've been handled by the voters, not the courts. Now we're going to be forced to call a by-election if Ford doesn't win his appeal or refuses an appeal.
 
He gave up on the weight in. Isn't that enough to realize he doesn't have the will power to deal with our City's extracurricular problems?.

Shit is that proper English?
 
I didn't like Ford and his contracting ways but I will say he made it clear in his stance and viewpoints. His position was never blanketed and he stood his ground to his own principles even though in the end it's what did him in. He was a bull on a mission with blinders on and didn't know how to reach a consensus and work with others.

Then we have the bandwagon jumpers like mammoliti who now has resigned his post from the Ford executive camp. Just like he jumped ship when he was an NDP'er now he's seeing the writing on the wall and jumping ship once again. Where he lands nobody knows!:biggrin2:
 
I understand that but its the precedent that I see being set for the future. Courts having the power to remove a politician from his elected position is the slippery slope. This means that anyone can sue a politician that they dont like and have them removed from their elected seat.

This is something that should've been handled by the voters, not the courts. Now we're going to be forced to call a by-election if Ford doesn't win his appeal or refuses an appeal.

Sorry, Sheik. It's not a bad precedent, it's a good precedent.

It would be a slippery slope if the court had not removed Ford from his elected position. The ethics of the job clearly demand that any elected official refrain from debate and/or vote on any issue in which he/she has financial interest. The piddling amount of $3200 raised for charity is not the point. The point is that when the issue came to council, Ford argued against repaying and voted against it. Couldn't have a more clear-cut case of conflict of interest. Court had no choice but follow the law.

Ford, on the other hand, did have a choice when the issue came to council. He could have called a press conference away from council chambers and he could have said "there was no intention of abuse of office in the act of fundraising," he could have said "look, I'll refund that money to every donor out of my own pocket," he could have added "I'll double that sum to the charity out of my own pocket and I challenge every council member to donate something as well."

He could have had a win-win situation.. . . if he wasn't such a buffoon.


I used to think that way. But after turning a blind eye to his texting- calling and driving. Then he giving the finger- his negligence to keep his bet on the weight bet- I can go on.

This is the issue that should be handled by voters, not courts.

I didn't like Ford and his contracting ways but I will say he made it clear in his stance and viewpoints. His position was never blanketed and he stood his ground to his own principles even though in the end it's what did him in.

The problem is that Ford's "principles" meant he believed the law doesn't apply to him. That's what did him in.

Finally, whatever the nuances on the original fundraising issue, when council revisited it, there was no question the issue centred on Ford. Any smart politician avoids even the "appearance" of a conflict of interest.
 
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