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Fight for the child, get a family to raise it, sue her for support, then when the kid is old enough send it to boarding school. Don't show the kid any love......have nothing to do with it after it is older. Never call, or speak with it ever. When you are your death bed leave $1 to it.
Or do what you need to do, an be an Adult. Life is not fair, even with laws. That is why you become a responsible part of the community you live in.
Or do what you need to do, an be an Adult. Life is not fair, even with laws. That is why you become a responsible part of the community you live in.
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Blissful said:
It appears that you want the man to look like an evil bastard for saying that he doesn't want to care for a child that he's NOT RESPONSIBLE for having. You could make a similar argument about women having an abortion - that she wants to get rid of the fetus because she doesn't want the baby, she hates the baby, and wants it dead. Bingo! By utilizing the same tactic you could make anyone look like an evil bastard.
Now that we're at this, why is it that in society men are expected to feel more guilty than women? A lot of times when a problem arises because of a conflict between a man and a woman, where both are equally to blame, it's okay to give the woman leeway but not the man.
I again, since you missed it the first time, it shouldn't matter if the fetus is carried by another woman or not, if he could force the woman to give up the fetus to be raised by another then he should have the same rights to force her to abort it or forfeit all parental rights.
As for the woman "paying for the upbringing of the child" that isn't a given. A case like this has never been tried (or so I believe) and the way the family courts favour the woman, I wouldn't bet that this would be the outcome in either case.....
In both your points you have basically stated that the father has no place in the decision making process as to whether or not to keep the child. IMO that is wrong on SO many levels.
GOM: don't even bother. She just doesn't get it that men should have a choice in the matter, not just the female of the species. I could point out that millions of women have kids just to collect more welfare or to try and trap a guy.
I could also point out that, according to family court, that a man cannot just turn his back on a child. He would be sued for child support, lose his driver's licence, have his wages garnished, simply because a woman (or THE woman in this scenario) decided to keep the child.
I could also point out women who have an abortion simply because they think having a child will ruin her body. What does that make her?
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It's a patent double standard.
If a man display signs of selfishness, he'd be instantly slammed and crucified by the public, but if a woman display selfishness, then society would think that she's a "victim of the patriarchal society". I mean, consider it logically - you (the woman) wanted the baby because YOU wanted it, nothing more, nothing less. The potential "father" only conceived the child by accident and didn't want the child in the first place. And now he's forced to pay for the child, and if he doesn't, he'll be seen as "selfish". If anything, it's the woman being selfish because she's DEMANDING money from a potential father that never wanted the child in the first place (because there were nothing the guy could have done to prevent the fetus from being born).
I don't know if a million women are doing this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I mean, NOT EVERY MEN are rich. It's just that society think it's okay for a woman to demand money from her SO and if he refuses he'd be seen as a selfish bastard. Patriarchal society my ass.
If a man display signs of selfishness, he'd be instantly slammed and crucified by the public, but if a woman display selfishness, then society would think that she's a "victim of the patriarchal society". I mean, consider it logically - you (the woman) wanted the baby because YOU wanted it, nothing more, nothing less. The potential "father" only conceived the child by accident and didn't want the child in the first place. And now he's forced to pay for the child, and if he doesn't, he'll be seen as "selfish". If anything, it's the woman being selfish because she's DEMANDING money from a potential father that never wanted the child in the first place (because there were nothing the guy could have done to prevent the fetus from being born).
I don't know if a million women are doing this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I mean, NOT EVERY MEN are rich. It's just that society think it's okay for a woman to demand money from her SO and if he refuses he'd be seen as a selfish bastard. Patriarchal society my ass.
The law was written by people who have more experience with this argument.
As a matter of fact my father raised me and my sisters......Also my brothers, I know
many other families like ours........I Love and Loved my Dad for everything he did for us. Also that story I told you was done by my sister, sent all the kids to boarding school as soon as possible.......she is not dead yet.LOL
If you are having sex then even with an accident be an adult deal with it. It her body, and yes you are also responsible even if the condom breaks......if you are having sex with a women like that well your problem.
Get fixes and then no issue.
Tboy there are many reason for women to abort.
As a matter of fact my father raised me and my sisters......Also my brothers, I know
many other families like ours........I Love and Loved my Dad for everything he did for us. Also that story I told you was done by my sister, sent all the kids to boarding school as soon as possible.......she is not dead yet.LOL
If you are having sex then even with an accident be an adult deal with it. It her body, and yes you are also responsible even if the condom breaks......if you are having sex with a women like that well your problem.
Get fixes and then no issue.
Tboy there are many reason for women to abort.
Gom: I've been called a misogynist because I have openly stated my opinion that I agree, our society IS a double standard when it comes to women. This is just yet another example of it.
I'm surprised the white knights haven't shown their flags on this thread....(yet lol).
I think what it is is a kneejerk reaction to what or how women were treated in our recent history. Instead of fully embracing a true equality oriented society, they coddle to women whenever possible. I mean, there is even evidence here where one of the female board members openly stated that "women should be treated with kidd gloves".....or "special". Sorry, that's not equality.
As for "millions" having kids simply for more welfare money:
In 2007 there were 13.7 million single parents
84% are single mothers
20.9% have never been married
46% are raising two or more children.
The odds are high.....
I could probably bring up the numbers for so called "deadbeat dads" but think about it for a second. A deadbeat dad probably never wanted the kid in the first place. I mean, otherwise wouldn't a father support a kid who he wanted? (or is that a leap of logic? lol).
Now if the fathers WERE given the right to decide whether or not the child was allowed to go full term, do you think it would INCREASE the number of single mothers or lower them?
But can you imagine the ramifications if someone dared sue their sex partner to have the child aborted? HOLY crap it would be open season on men.......
Just thinking outloud: I think if a guy was in this position I think he would have a case to take before the human rights commission. I know plenty of lawyers who would love to fight for this. I think the "parental rights" issue would be the key. I think the issue would also revolve around the statement 'a woman has the right to do with what she wants with her body' which brought about our abortion laws. But the key point here is that it isn't just "her body". There's a part of the male growing inside her. That should be enough to at least file on......
I'm surprised the white knights haven't shown their flags on this thread....(yet lol).
I think what it is is a kneejerk reaction to what or how women were treated in our recent history. Instead of fully embracing a true equality oriented society, they coddle to women whenever possible. I mean, there is even evidence here where one of the female board members openly stated that "women should be treated with kidd gloves".....or "special". Sorry, that's not equality.
As for "millions" having kids simply for more welfare money:
In 2007 there were 13.7 million single parents
84% are single mothers
20.9% have never been married
46% are raising two or more children.
The odds are high.....
I could probably bring up the numbers for so called "deadbeat dads" but think about it for a second. A deadbeat dad probably never wanted the kid in the first place. I mean, otherwise wouldn't a father support a kid who he wanted? (or is that a leap of logic? lol).
Now if the fathers WERE given the right to decide whether or not the child was allowed to go full term, do you think it would INCREASE the number of single mothers or lower them?
But can you imagine the ramifications if someone dared sue their sex partner to have the child aborted? HOLY crap it would be open season on men.......
Just thinking outloud: I think if a guy was in this position I think he would have a case to take before the human rights commission. I know plenty of lawyers who would love to fight for this. I think the "parental rights" issue would be the key. I think the issue would also revolve around the statement 'a woman has the right to do with what she wants with her body' which brought about our abortion laws. But the key point here is that it isn't just "her body". There's a part of the male growing inside her. That should be enough to at least file on......
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This poses an interesting question.
Does a man have the right to demand the child be born and he raise the child?
But as I recall both the baby doe and roe cases involved the same question.
Odd as it sounds both women in these case have since denounced their decisions to kill the child.
Does a man have the right to demand the child be born and he raise the child?
But as I recall both the baby doe and roe cases involved the same question.
Odd as it sounds both women in these case have since denounced their decisions to kill the child.
@Peace - let's put it this way: you don't fucking know me. So I'll just interpret your post as a halfassed cheap shot at me, and I hope you have a nice day.
You are correct that I dont know you. Sorry if you misinterpreted my post but seriously, I am sure some men here have been through this before. I know myself did but i was fortunate that she and I calmly communicated about it. Apparently it was a false alarm but to this day, I am still grateful that she and I were civil and supportive about this situation as I know there are some people out there that can be vindicative and deceitful.
The bottom line is that if a couple decides to keep the child, I do hope they can put aside their differences and make sure the child is taken care of.
ps. You have a nice day too.
wait, don't tell me, you're pro life? lol
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Please tell me you don't honestly believe this do you? You can't be so naive to believe that the politicians who wrote the laws didn't do so out of abiding by the vocal majority?
The laws were written by people who abided by their own personal values at the time based on whoever applied the most pressure on them by their political party. For eg: Harpo might personally want to legalize pot but would never attempt to try for fear of political repercussions. Same as "male rights" in the abortion issue. I bet if ANY politician ever attempted to put male rights into law they'd be thrown out of office faster than you can tie a hangman's knot......
Hell, look what happened when a cop said that women shouldn't dress slutty to avoid being a target?
You are correct that I dont know you. Sorry if you misinterpreted my post but seriously, I am sure some men here have been through this before. I know myself did but i was fortunate that she and I calmly communicated about it. Apparently it was a false alarm but to this day, I am still grateful that she and I were civil and supportive about this situation as I know there are some people out there that can be vindicative and deceitful.
The bottom line is that if a couple decides to keep the child, I do hope they can put aside their differences and make sure the child is taken care of.
ps. You have a nice day too.
That's all well and good when two people are rational, but something people have to understand is that (especially the female of the species) they tend to get overwelmed by emotions over this issue. Just think of what your life would have been like if a) it wasn't a false alarm and b) she decided (operative word here is "she") to keep it?
The issue here is the male really has NO choice in the matter as the laws stand now. Sorry, but this is NOT a equal rights society when laws are on the books that give more rights to one person over another simply because of their sex.
You all seem to forget. Mistake or not, shit happens for a reason. Deal with it and don't be a pussy "oh just an accident". You played, you lost now time to deal with what the cards given you. You all are just going in circles.
It's done, fuck the drama.
It's done, fuck the drama.
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You are correct that I dont know you. Sorry if you misinterpreted my post but seriously, I am sure some men here have been through this before. I know myself did but i was fortunate that she and I calmly communicated about it. Apparently it was a false alarm but to this day, I am still grateful that she and I were civil and supportive about this situation as I know there are some people out there that can be vindicative and deceitful.
The bottom line is that if a couple decides to keep the child, I do hope they can put aside their differences and make sure the child is taken care of.
ps. You have a nice day too.
Sorry if I vented at your post, but that was because I didn't like that "joke" you made, and in a thread like this I thought it was a bit uncivil. But it was just as uncivil for me to reply back with swear words.
No hard feelings.
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