Should men have the right to abortion?

[gom]

First thread in this forum.

First off, I'm going to start off by saying that I am pro-choice. Second, I would appreciate it if I get civil responses because this issue is something that I kind of care about.

So do you people think that men should have the right to abortion? What I mean is, if the man accidentally impregnanted a woman causing her to be pregnant, should he have the right to abort the child? I know, people would commonly say "of course not, it's the woman's own personal body!", thus arguing for the opinion that men should not have the right.

But this is the way I think of the issue: let's say a man accidentally ejaculates inside a woman due to an accident, such as a breakage of a condom. And let's assume that neither of them wants the baby. What can the woman do? She'll definitely take oral contraceptives to prevent pregnancy. If pregnancy does occur, then she'll go to an abortion clinic to get the baby aborted. Now ask yourself this - what can the man do? Absolutely nothing! He'd have to rely on the woman taking oral contraceptives and/or abortion in order to not have the baby. In other words, he has no control over it. If the woman initially didn't want the baby, but decides to change her mind after and decide to give birth to the baby, then basically the man, who never wanted the baby in the first place, would be forced to care for the baby. It can work the other way too - if the man changes his mind after and wants the baby, but the woman never wanted to, then basically there's no way for the man to see his baby child. My opinion is that there should be a compromise between the two.

Keep in mind though that I'm talking about a situation where an accident occurs, for instance, when the condom breaks. If a man rapes a woman and/or fucks her bareback without her permission causing her to have a baby, and the baby gets born, then obviously he's responsible for it.


If a female member would respond to this so I can see the other side of the fence, then that would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[7inchDrew]

Yes.

 

[Chevy]

Wrong section to post on.

 

[a 1 player]

It is absolutely immoral for one person to have any right whatsoever to any aspect of another persons body. To reverse the roles (somewhat), would it be fair for a woman to force a man to get a vasectomy so a child is not conceived in the first place? With any sort of sex there are risks, one must willingly take those risks and deal with the consequences, be it man or woman.

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Wrong section to post on.

Huh? It's as good a section as any.

On the topic at hand well........Can you imagine the legal, ramifications if as you mentioned men were allowed to force an abortion should they not want the child?

Or if they wanted the child and the mother did not. No best just to leave things the way they are right now.

 

[-b]

Women do not have to tell if they a pregnant, she could just do it without her partner knowing.
I would say NO
But with all the new medical advances, I wonder would it be possible if the woman did not want it, if the man could have another woman carry it........
I could see this happening in the future......So men could have the rights too.

 

[tboy]

The thing about this statement "men could have rights too..." is the word "could". Sorry but we DO have rights now.

As Playa states: it is wrong for someone else to have control over someone else's body. Well, it is just as wrong for another person to have control over someone else's life. That is exactly what happens now when a woman gets pregnant: she has complete control over the guy's future. A prime example of this is where a woman gets pregnant, with the sole intention of entraping the man.

I think it is 100% unfair for one person to have that kind of control over someone else. Be it man or woman.

On the other side of the coin, woman gets pregnant, guy WANTS the child, woman doesn't, woman aborts. Guy is left childless. Is THAT fair? Nope.

It takes two to make her pregnant it should take two to make her UNpregnant.

I think this could be one of the reasons why there are so many "deadbeat dads". The woman got pregnant, the guy wanted her to abort, she said no, she has the kid and now the guy is forced (or coerced in this case) to pay for a child he didn't want. I think in matters like this, a tribunal should be set up where the two parties go and explain to the courts why they want, or don't want the child. In the case where the man wants the child, the woman would have to put forth a case as to why she doesn't want the child. Vice versa, if the woman wants the child and the guy doesn't, they'd have to do the same. In this case if the woman wants the child the courts could in effect order the severance of any responsibility of the guy.

The latter would eliminate the situations where the woman is simply having more kids to get more money every month (very prevalent in the US). There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of woman who have 3 or more kids from 3 or more different men.

 

[gom]

^^What he said.

@Player - that's very a bad comparison. For one thing, vasectomy isn't something that one gender gets an advantage over. A man can similarly force a woman to a tube ligation. But with abortion, women have COMPLETE control over the baby and men have NO control at all. It can never be the other way around. And BOTH of them are the ones that ended up getting the baby accidentally.


Also, this may seem like a ridiculous question, but has there been any cases where an SP got pregnant?

 

[gom]

I don't mean to be cynical but let's assume a situation like this were to occur:


Man and woman have sex, and the condom breaks. Initially they didn't want to have the baby, but later on the woman realized that she could take advantage of the situation by having the baby and then forcing the man to spend money to care for the baby, because you can legally do that. Now ask yourself this: what can the man do?

 

[tboy]

I can answer that for you gom: nothing...... but pay, or not pay and lose his licence, his car, his apartment, etc.

That's why I brought up the point where the guy should have rights prior to the baby being born. He has parental rights after it is born, so why not before?

See, this topic REALLY hits home for me. I dated a woman for 5 yrs. We broke up because she took a job out of province. We got together a few times after we broke up and a while later I got THE call. She said she was late and felt pregnant.

I was a little shocked but not like you see in the movies. She was worried about what to do. We got into an argument about how it was a decision we BOTH had to make, it wasn't hers alone. We went back and forth for about 45 minutes me saying that I should have a say in whether we keep it or not, or should we take care of it. I finally said "this is all conjecture, go to the pharmacy and get a pee stick.

It came back positive and I was overjoyed. I was truly happy. I said to her "no worries, I'll be there every step of the way" She said "but I'm moving to Montreal"? "so? I'll come up every weekend, it's only 4 hrs one way".

So to make a long story longer, she went to the doc, sure enuff, she's preggers. She was still located in Toronto at the time and we both worked at the same company so we saw each other often. One day a mutual friend was having a jack and jill party and I took the day off to help set up. She was going to come after work.

I got a call that afternoon saying she went to the bathroom and was bleeding. I said "get to the hospital, do you want me to meet you"? "No, I'll be ok, I'll call you if I need you".

She showed up that evening, she told me "she lost the baby". I was hurt....

Years later I told this story to someone and they said "are you sure she "lost" it? Since she was able to go to the party right after it sounds like she had an abortion...." OH fuck......now that she mentioned it, I was more happy than she was. I've tried to find her to find out the truth, not to chastise her or anything but just to know for sure......

 

[Butch]

Hell no. Accidents happens but are very rare. It can be avoided, all I have to say.

 

[gom]

^^But what if the accident did happen? The solution is to force the man to have the baby?


Yes accidents happen a lot and most of them can be prevented. But in the case of abortion, to me the issue is the patent double standard. When the "accident" does occur, women have the freedom to have, or not have, the baby, but the men have no freedom whatsoever. And it takes TWO to have a baby, not one. So why give the women full control and the men no control?

 

[tboy]

It is absolutely immoral for one person to have any right whatsoever to any aspect of another persons body. To reverse the roles (somewhat), would it be fair for a woman to force a man to get a vasectomy so a child is not conceived in the first place? With any sort of sex there are risks, one must willingly take those risks and deal with the consequences, be it man or woman.

Let me ask you player: so if a woman wants to have a child, a man should be forced or coerced to impregnate her even if he doesn't? I mean if it's up to her sole discretion whether or not she keeps the baby, isn't it solely up to her to decide whether or not to get pregnant to begin with?

 

[tboy]

^^But what if the accident did happen? The solution is to force the man to have the baby?

Yes, that's what he is saying. Even if it wasn't an accident.

 

[tboy]

Also, this may seem like a ridiculous question, but has there been any cases where an SP got pregnant?

That isn't a ridiculour question and the answer is: yes, sp's have gotten pregnant.

 

[gom]

^^I see. From a client or no?

 

[tboy]

^^I see. From a client or no?

I'm going to say yes, because that was what was insinuated but I don't know 100%.

Just thinking about my situation as I described, that made me think of this:

If a man doesn't have any right to tell a woman TO get an abortion, does that mean a woman has the right to deprive a man of a child? (keeping in mind that she's pregnant already, not saying if a guy wants a kid she has to get pregnant because he said so...)

 

[a 1 player]

Let me ask you player: so if a woman wants to have a child, a man should be forced or coerced to impregnate her even if he doesn't? I mean if it's up to her sole discretion whether or not she keeps the baby, isn't it solely up to her to decide whether or not to get pregnant to begin with?

Again, for a man to be forced to impregnate is wrong. But the question here was 'Does a MAN have a right to an abortion', not 'Do the courts have a right to decide what is in the best interest of both parties.' Big difference.

 

[tboy]

But player, you do realize that the issue isn't just one simple question. The ramifications of that question go far past a simple answer. The issue isn't that cut and dried. Life is full of shades of grey, if everything was simply black and white life would be so much easier......

Now if the woman chose to be artificially inseminated? That's a different story. Same as if she did choose to be artificially inseminated, she cannot go after the donor for support.

BTW: if you feel it is wrong for a man to be forced to impregnate, you should also agree that it is wrong for him to be forced to be a father. Same coin, just different sides.

 

[-b]

This is why I said men could or would have the rights if the fetus was carried by another woman.
If the man wants the child then he can arrange for it. It would be a win on both parts because then the woman in question would have to pay for the up bring of the child and she does not need to carry it.
Now if the man does not want it.....then he should get fixes then play around. Or he use a condom and she uses a female condom.....sex would suck but hell no problems.....Or just a BJ solves the issue.

As I was told "If you want to play like an adult you need to be responsible like an adult......"