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Summer is coming and the tax collectors will be hard at work. Personally I'm sick of it. Sick of the fishing holes, helping the insurance companies crank up our rates because the long arm of the law and quotas are nailing people for 10 to 15 clicks over the speed limit. The Officer's get a nice bonus in court pay while we fork out our hard earned money on higher premiums , cost of the fine, sir charges, court costs, loss of days pay for going to court etc.....



Flashing the headlights is useful but this is even better! A friend just emailed me this great app today and I thought I'd pass it on.
 
Radar doesn't bother me much. Yeah I've been nailed a few times, and had to cough up some cash, but I look at that as paying your dues.

Pretty simple. Don't want to risk paying a fine? Don't speed.

What I do resent, however, is losing points on my driver's licence and having that impact on insurance rates.

Which is why I'm a big fan of photo radar.

Stupidest political decision ever made in this province was the elimination of photo radar by the Mike Harris government. Yes people griped it was a "cash cow" but now Ontario badly needs a cash cow to pay for road infrastructure.

And photo radar worked. Back then I might jump on the 401 at Cambridge, get in the left lane and start cruising at 120k, because that's what the traffic flow was doing. Around Milton, everything would drop to 110, because that's where photo radar was set up. Traffic slowed down quite nicely. Now if I'm doing 125 on the 401 in GTA, cars are shooting by me at 140 and 150. Some of those drivers may get pulled over, but that doesn't stop overall speeding.

Eliminating photo radar has also hammered civic infrastructure costs.

City engineers have to come up with expensive road redesigns to "calm" traffic in residential areas, where signs may post speeds at 40k but people routinely drive at 70-80k because the street is straight and clear. Every major city in this province forks out hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to install "traffic calming measures" because they can't use photo radar, which requires very little capital outlay, can shift from site to site and could generate revenue needed to maintain roads properly.
 
The higher insurance rates are the one thing that really bothers me about being ticketed. It doesn't matter if it's no points, a speeding ticket is a ticket in the eyes of the insurance companies which btw they hold against you for 3 years.

I never waste my time fighting parking tickets but I get a moving violation and it's game on!
 
Sorry but I like them......In School Areas, and when heading up North....
Everyone thinks they are race car drivers....even me.....:biggrin2:

It good to be reminded the laws of Driving......
 
Summer is coming and the tax collectors will be hard at work. Personally I'm sick of it. Sick of the fishing holes, helping the insurance companies crank up our rates because the long arm of the law and quotas are nailing people for 10 to 15 clicks over the speed limit. The Officer's get a nice bonus in court pay while we fork out our hard earned money on higher premiums , cost of the fine, sir charges, court costs, loss of days pay for going to court etc.....



Flashing the headlights is useful but this is even better! A friend just emailed me this great app today and I thought I'd pass it on.


Here's a radical solution: don't go more than a few kmph over the limit and they won't stop you. Speed and you pay. Wow....rocket science!
 
Here's a radical solution: don't go more than a few kmph over the limit and they won't stop you. Speed and you pay. Wow....rocket science!

That is a very interesting and telling concept. Now I know why I'm not getting fed. It takes you forever driving back here from Montreal at 102 km. :search2:
 
That is a very interesting and telling concept. Now I know why I'm not getting fed. It takes you forever driving back here from Montreal at 102 km. :search2:

118kph. As long as you stick under 18kph over the limit most radar devices won't trigger. But I got the bagels. You said you didn't want the eggs, this time.
 
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Damn...why didn't you tell me before? I got artichoke bagels.
 
The top cop on the sunshine list was a traffic cop earning a whopping $170,000.00 last year ,is this maybe because of court duty OT??

Is it fair the officer has a vested interest to ticket as many people as he possibly can??

No, telling people to not speed when we all know it happens everyday on the 400 series highways isn't the answer.

Lining the pockets of the cops,government coffers and insurance company does absolutely nothing for the regular Joe!

No I didn't get a ticket recently!:biggrin2:
 
Radar doesn't bother me much. Yeah I've been nailed a few times, and had to cough up some cash, but I look at that as paying your dues.

Pretty simple. Don't want to risk paying a fine? Don't speed.

What I do resent, however, is losing points on my driver's licence and having that impact on insurance rates.

Which is why I'm a big fan of photo radar.

Stupidest political decision ever made in this province was the elimination of photo radar by the Mike Harris government. Yes people griped it was a "cash cow" but now Ontario badly needs a cash cow to pay for road infrastructure.

And photo radar worked. Back then I might jump on the 401 at Cambridge, get in the left lane and start cruising at 120k, because that's what the traffic flow was doing. Around Milton, everything would drop to 110, because that's where photo radar was set up. Traffic slowed down quite nicely. Now if I'm doing 125 on the 401 in GTA, cars are shooting by me at 140 and 150. Some of those drivers may get pulled over, but that doesn't stop overall speeding.

Eliminating photo radar has also hammered civic infrastructure costs.

City engineers have to come up with expensive road redesigns to "calm" traffic in residential areas, where signs may post speeds at 40k but people routinely drive at 70-80k because the street is straight and clear. Every major city in this province forks out hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to install "traffic calming measures" because they can't use photo radar, which requires very little capital outlay, can shift from site to site and could generate revenue needed to maintain roads properly.

Art, I'm I correct in my reading comprehension that you do not mind paying more into the city coffers? My God, lets go through some of the taxes we Canadians are burdened with Mann.

Income tax, property tax, HST tax, land transfer tax, extra gasoline taxes which were supposedly to be set aside for infrastructural requirements, environmental disposing fees which is a form of tax, I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.

In the end we our really over taxed as Canadians. I'm for police enforcement so I do not have a problem with radar provided it's done fairly but to state you wish to pay more taxes, my God Art please get your head out of the governments derriere,then again you do enjoy pay for play!:biggrin2:
 
Art, I'm I correct in my reading comprehension that you do not mind paying more into the city coffers? . . .
. . . I'm for police enforcement so I do not have a problem with radar provided it's done fairly but to state you wish to pay more taxes, my God Art please get your head out of the governments derriere . . .
I am shocked, Baz, shocked that your reading comprehension is so wildly incorrect. Sober up, go back and read my post. Nowhere did I say that I want to pay more taxes.

Here is the essence of my first point.
Don't want to risk paying a fine? Don't speed.

Oldguyzer agrees with me:
Here's a radical solution: don't go more than a few kmph over the limit and they won't stop you. Speed and you pay. Wow....rocket science!
Does your reading comprehension lead you to believe oldguyzer "doesn't mind" paying more taxes? That's not how I read his comment.

Now, pay attention here, Baz. My second point was also very clear:
. . . photo radar worked. . . .
Didn't say anything there about wanting to pay more taxes. Just noted that photo radar brings overall traffic flow down closer to posted speed limits, therefore it worked.

I did note that many people hated photo radar, and called it a cash cow. What I didn't add is that those who hated it were, presumably, the ones who got nailed by it and had to pay their dues. Or their "taxes" as you choose to label the penalty.

But if a speeding fine is a tax, it's a voluntary tax, just like buying a lottery ticket. You can voluntarily give the government cash up front at the Lotto kiosk and gamble that your ticket may be worth more than the piece of paper it's printed on. Or you can race down the highway at 150k an hour and gamble you won't get a ticket that's going haul a mitt full of cash out of your pocket. Voluntary tax. You're welcome to it if you want to speed.

Nowhere did I say I wish to pay more taxes.

My final point was also quite simple:
. . . Every major city in this province forks out hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to install "traffic calming measures" because they can't use photo radar, which . . . could generate revenue needed to maintain roads properly.
If you consider photo radar revenue as tax, so be it. But label it correctly. It's voluntary tax. You want to speed. Go right ahead, and if caught, pay your voluntary taxes. Your choice.

But nowhere did I say I wish to pay more taxes.

. . . I'm for police enforcement so I do not have a problem with radar provided it's done fairly . . .
Gotta confess I'm baffled by this comment, Baz. You're in favor of police enforcement and you're in favor of radar ... provided it's done fairly . . .

What are you implying? That cops might doctor the equipment so that it adds 30k to the readout when your car comes by at the speed limit, then readjusts to subtract 20k from the readout when I come zooming by?

Get serious, what does fairness have to do with radar. It's a digital analysis of speed, cold, hard and unemotional. It's radar, whether operated by a cop who has to chase down and ticket an individual speeder or whether it's operated efficiently and cost-effectively by photo radar which doesn't require massive manpower to stop cars, which just slows traffic flow by its very presence.

As for this final comment, Baz, once again you do illustrate a lack of reading comprehension.
. . . to state you wish to pay more taxes, my God Art please get your head out of the governments derriere . . .
I used to live on a street that was deemed a speeding problem, so the road was rebuilt at a capital outlay of multi-millions of dollars to install "traffic calming" measures. That expense gets tagged onto the property taxes of homeowners on the street, not charged to those drivers from other neighborhoods who speed on that street. Photo radar could have eliminated that capital outlay cost and could have collected volunteer "taxes" to pay for other road infra-structure.

I don't have my head up "the government's derriere," Baz. I'm in favor of eliminating needless government expense.

And nowhere did I say I wish to pay more taxes.
 
I cruise at low speeds during warm months. Too busy staring at chix in booty shorts, chix on rollerblades, chix in mini skirts, chix in spandex shorts, chix with bikini tops, etc etc.........I can't be bothered speeding. Too much too look at in the city.
 
The top cop on the sunshine list was a traffic cop earning a whopping $170,000.00 last year ,is this maybe because of court duty OT??

Is it fair the officer has a vested interest to ticket as many people as he possibly can??

No, telling people to not speed when we all know it happens everyday on the 400 series highways isn't the answer.

Lining the pockets of the cops,government coffers and insurance company does absolutely nothing for the regular Joe!

No I didn't get a ticket recently!:biggrin2:

Cops are regular joes. What, you think they're some kind of elite? Because some dude made a measly $170k? LOL

There's a lot of economic, small-minded butthurt in this thread. I want you guys who speed around like you're Mario Andretti to get huge tickets and harsh insurance premium increases. Because I own shares in the banks and insurance companies.
 
I am shocked, Baz, shocked that your reading comprehension is so wildly incorrect. Sober up, go back and read my post. Nowhere did I say that I want to pay more taxes.

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Very nicely argued, AM, but I suspect ultimately a wasted effort. Damn-Not too smart
 
Keeping witin limits would be a lot easier if they set them reasonably. There have been a number of non-residential stretches of road in my area ( I'm talking 4 lane stretches of several kms with no houses or commercial entrances) that used to be 80 and are now 60. Do you know how slow 60 on a 4 lane road in the country feels?
I actually think it actually creates a hazard as it promotes a disparity in the speeds being driven.

Roads with arbitrary changes in limits without a change in driving conditions or environment are a cash grab, pure and simple.
 
Keeping witin limits would be a lot easier if they set them reasonably. There have been a number of non-residential stretches of road in my area ( I'm talking 4 lane stretches of several kms with no houses or commercial entrances) that used to be 80 and are now 60. Do you know how slow 60 on a 4 lane road in the country feels?
I actually think it actually creates a hazard as it promotes a disparity in the speeds being driven.

Roads with arbitrary changes in limits without a change in driving conditions or environment are a cash grab, pure and simple.

Excellent post Train and I completely agree with you.
 
That is a very interesting and telling concept. Now I know why I'm not getting fed. It takes you forever driving back here from Montreal at 102 km. :search2:

Funny that this thread just started, I just got pulled over during the Easter weekend going to Montreal on the 417, just before the Ontario border ended. I've not gotten a speeding ticket in over 5 years before this!
 
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