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Yup that's what a loved one called a gay man we were talking about!! What do you do? What do you say?
I was shocked, angered and saddened to learn that someone I care about is homophobic, judgemental, rude and well....... an asshole!!
you just never know who you're sitting down and dining with!!
 
Given a chance Cristy everyone is an AssHole at one time or another.

And some people will find their actions or views unacceptable.

The best thing we can do is accept people for who they are.
After all if we only associate with people we agree with we never learn about different views.
 
A gay friend of mine calls gays that word all the time.

I guess it's not the word so much as the intention of the person using it.

Me I don't give much thought to people that have a different sexual orientation than me. Personally I have bigger fish to fry so to speak.
 
I am so sorry cristycurves but what your friend said is unacceptable. IMO there is no justification for it. He is a jerk and I feel sorry you have to deal with him.
 
Have you approached him about it?.

Does he know how you feel?.
 
Thanks guys for your responses, yes the person who said this was a guy and yes I most certainly spoke up, if you haven't noticed, lol, speaking up isn't something I shy away from. I understand form my initial statement"what do you say" that you may have thought I hadn't, but I meant...with that mindset words won't work:( they have their minds made up.
Anyone's sexual orientation is their own business as is someones opinion as to how they feel about the subject, however in this discussion someone mentioned Chris.. sorry, his last name escapes me, the man who died recently from a fall, he was a tv celebrity. Any way, someone in my group was wondering if anyone had heard more about the circumstances of his death. The person I'm complaining about chimed in, "who the fag"!! Of course after I closed my mouth from utter disgust and shock I let him have it. We are all entitled to our opinions, views, but when they are derogatory and cruel then I believe we are all responsible for making it clear to all within ear shot that language such as that isn't tolerated or acceptable. What is most disturbing to me is this person is intelligent, kind, thoughtful, or so I thought and someone I care about. This person also doesn't know about my choices in lifestyle, imagine his point of view on that!!
I guess the positive that comes form this is now I know......and what a shame!
 
cristycurves said:

I guess the positive that comes form this is now I know.....

Then time to walk out without burning any bridges.
 
I'm curious as to his response after you called him out for his remark. Did he apologize or take back the slur or did he admit that is who he is and those are his feelings on the subject.
 
mammo said:
I'm curious as to his response after you called him out for his remark. Did he apologize or take back the slur or did he admit that is who he is and those are his feelings on the subject.

No he smiled and laughed then started fiddling with his phone
 
Maurice Boscorelli said:
Personally I have bigger fish to fry so to speak.

Who are you kidding!? A health nut like you never eats fried foods! :biggrin2:
 
cristycurves said:
No he smiled and laughed then started fiddling with his phone

I guess in deliberately ignoring your apparent outrage and moving on to something overtly more trivial in lieu of responding, he made his opinion about your opinion abundantly clear. :YMAPPLAUSE:
 
I hear fag, queer, homo, nancyboy, and all the other terms amongst people of all races and education levels. Stupidity and ignorance knows no bounds.
 
oldguyzer said:
Stupidity and ignorance knows no bounds.

+1




@Cristy;

It's really confusing when you find out that someone you love and/or respect holds such hateful views because the regard in which you held them (prior to finding out) often comes into question as you question their skewed values against what you have come to love/respect about them in an effort to make sense of how this particular person could have such a badly deluded moral fiber.

This often sobering experience in opposing moral values happened to me a lot growing up as I began dating "outside of my race" and in doing so came to find that many of my family members were in fact prejudice; something I never knew, or had even imagined could be possible before it was a major source of conflict between us... What I did was stand up for what I believe in, which is equality, and tried to respectfully voice my views/concerns whenever their contradictory comments began. What I learned was that you cannot reach a point of rationality with people who are irrational within their views and opinions. My family could provide nothing to justify or lend credit to their plight, less to say "you just don't do that" and frequently raise question "if you had a child together, what would it be?" in their attempts to finalize the discussion. Nothing I ever said could change their minds or influence their opinions in any way.

What finally did change their minds was my giving birth to a beautiful baby boy who's 1/2 spanish, and in turn answering their question through his birth that "if we had a baby" he would be; a baby, a part of our family, their grandson/great grandson, our greatest treasure, their joy, a source of pride, and so many other blessed things which a baby brings to the world, but it was only after his birth that they 'got it' and became accepting of interracial couples- that was a 10 year process of enduring their hatred before it was finally changed through the process of love.


As to your friend; IMO, it's up to you whether or not you choose to associate with this person any longer.
If they're family, you're pretty much stuck with them; but if they're not, you're free to do as you so choose as far as any further associations are concerned...

As for me personally, I've been friends with people who are racist with the understanding that they keep their views and opinions to themselves, just as I have done with those persons in my life who happen to be deeply religious. Because the views/values they hold are not my own, I ask simply that they keep these things to themselves to ensure our relationship isn't strained by our differing opinions, and in doing so I've come to learn that if someone respects me enough they will abide my request without issue (and apologize very sincerely should they ever slip up) and where anyone decides to hold their views/opinions above the value of our friendship I just let them go as there is loss incurred because IMO they are of little value as friends if they cannot respect me and my personal boundaries.
 
Pamela said:
As for me personally, I've been friends with people who are racist with the understanding that they keep their views and opinions to themselves, just as I have done with those persons in my life who happen to be deeply religious. Because the views/values they hold are not my own, I ask simply that they keep these things to themselves to ensure our relationship isn't strained by our differing opinions, and in doing so I've come to learn that if someone respects me enough they will abide my request without issue (and apologize very sincerely should they ever slip up) and where anyone decides to hold their views/opinions above the value of our friendship I just let them go as there is loss incurred because IMO they are of little value as friends if they cannot respect me and my personal boundaries.

I like your approach Pam!

I do struggle though with the emerging trend in modern societies of individuals who don't share similar values, or in fact hold violently opposing values too quickly being branded intolerant, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. and with extreme prejudice. I'm not sure if it's a phenomenon born of political correctness, or maybe resulting from social media and the new digital age, but it surprises me more and more how so many emerging 'special interest groups' can be so quick to demonstrate the same degree of ignorance, intolerance, judgement and discrimination they claim to be fighting against in the first place.

How do you draw the line between 'labeling' someone simply because their value system is opposed, let's say, to inter-racial or same sex marriage, extreme feminism, spanking of children, homosexuality and/or LGBT lifestyles, and extending them the understanding and courtesy of respecting their beliefs and values for what they are?

Agreeing to disagree, and extending mutual respect is an effective strategy to find balance and a peaceful co-existence, but it's surprising these days how often the intolerance comes from the most vocal groups who are by coincidence, those with the biggest claims of persecution and discrimination.

Moral conservatism has become the most significant victim of the modern liberal movement - a surprising turn around the globe, and I often wonder if that spells longer term trouble for the very foundation and principles of the democratic systems that most civilized nations have been built upon.

Just an observation...thoughts?
 
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