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cristycurves said:
Lol, okay, says the pot as he calls the kettle black.....:) Who says I didn't read them. You are always so assuming, and you sir are the child.Not only can you google, you can also read minds......LOL. It is *so* important for you to prove your point as being the right point, that you have to go from forum to forum, to do so, all while trying to gain a "pro" audience to support your beliefs. Let me ask you, "why do you care so much about how another person identifies"? *It is* really none of your business, nor is it any of mine. We should all want our fellow man to feel comfortable in their own skin, and that skin is for them to identify as they see fit, not you, or I , not biologists, nor neuroscientists, psychologists, psychiatrists, or anyone else.
And just in case you weren't aware, science isn't proven through google, nor is anything else. Any of us can find studies on any subject on the net that will side with our beliefs and we'll also find those that will go against our beliefs, and simply because you can find some who've made determinations based on their studies to favor your opinion, doesn't mean the other side is wrong, they too have done, and are doing studies, that determine your opinion, *as being wrong*. So who is right? Certainly you haven't the knowledge, background, or personal experience to determine this, nor do I, and posting and reposting studies that side with you, only proves how much time you spend scouring the net, nothing else...... So why not continue to live your life, sitting at home scouring the net, lol, and allow others to live theirs, identifying as they feel comfortable indentifying:)
Check the Science: Being Trans Is Not a 'Choice' | POV | OZY


your rants and raves are based on feelings and emotions not facts. the ozy article failed to mention that many transgenders regret sex change surgeries, trans children fad is being pushed by parents and adults. the author failed to mentioned that Dr John Money started the transgender movement. most children who display transgenderism grow out of it after going through puberty. recent studies i posted debunk the claim that transgenderism is biological and you claim to hate my posts but you can't resist following me and respond to me trying to get my attention.
 
Canada-Man said:
your rants and raves are based on feelings and emotions not facts. the ozy article failed to mention that many transgenders regret sex change surgeries, trans children fad is being pushed by parents and adults. the author failed to mentioned that Dr John Money started the transgender movement. most children who display transgenderism grow out of it after going through puberty. recent studies i posted debunk the claim that transgenderism is biological and you claim to hate my posts but you can't resist following me and respond to me trying to get my attention.

Ah...... I see, lol. My posts are rants and raves and yours are philosophical truths.......sure:LMAO::wink2: No they're diatribe often, biased at best and never substantiated with personal experience, that I find humorous. So..... I follow you? I respond to any and all posts I have an opinion on, regardless of it's author, unless the author is a troll, that is. And I don't consider you a troll, yet I do dislike you, not all your posts:) So I'll continue to respond to the posts I find worthy of responding to:) Btw, it is within the other forums that have dubbed you the copy and paste guy, that is common knowledge, one doesn't have to follow you to be aware of that:wink2:
 
Amazing how in 2017 we're still having this kind of debate.

But then again the concept of gender identity and transgenderism isn't something I'd expect cis-hetero men to be experts on.
 
I'm not going to argue anymore; this is way too tiring for me. No matter how many times I try to explain gender identity to people they'll always find some cheap tactic to invalidate the experiences of trans people, who are among some of the most marginalized people in this society.
 
Crimson Mire said:
Amazing how in 2017 we're still having this kind of debate.

But then again the concept of gender identity and transgenderism isn't something I'd expect cis-hetero men to be experts on.

the concept of gender identity and transgenderism was invented by Dr John Money a desccredited doctor who is involved in the tragic case of david reimer. it denies the biological sex differences humans are a sexual dismorphic species. didn't you do basic biology in high school learned how human beings
reproduce?


I'm not going to argue anymore; this is way too tiring for me. No matter how many times I try to explain gender identity to people they'll always find some cheap tactic to invalidate the experiences of trans people, who are among some of the most marginalized people in this society.

what there to argue? all you is deny biological facts and reality and ignore the fact that gender ideology was invented by a descredited doctor.
I'm not going to argue anymore; this is way too tiring for me. No matter how many times I try to explain gender identity to people they'll always find some cheap tactic to invalidate the experiences of trans people, who are among some of the most marginalized people in this society.
 
cristycurves said:
Ah...... I see, lol. My posts are rants and raves and yours are philosophical truths.......sure:LMAO::wink2: No they're diatribe often, biased at best and never substantiated with personal experience, that I find humorous. So..... I follow you? I respond to any and all posts I have an opinion on, regardless of it's author, unless the author is a troll, that is. And I don't consider you a troll, yet I do dislike you, not all your posts:) So I'll continue to respond to the posts I find worthy of responding to:) Btw, it is within the other forums that have dubbed you the copy and paste guy, that is common knowledge, one doesn't have to follow you to be aware of that:wink2:



you dislike me but you can't resist following me and respond to my post. just admit you can't live without my attention
 
Canada-Man said:
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Report Debunks ‘Born that Way’ Narrative and ‘Transgender’ Label for Kids - Ethics & Public Policy Center


Science does not support de-linking gender identity and biological sex. “The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex—that a person might be ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body’ or ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’—is not supported by scientific evidence.” Brain studies “do not provide any evidence for a neurobiological basis for cross-gender identification.”

Sex-reassignment surgery is not a panacea. Compared to the general population, adults who underwent sex-reassignment surgery continued to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes, including being 19 times more likely to die of suicide.

Most children desist from childhood cross-gender identification. “Only a minority of children who experience cross-gender identification will continue to do so into adolescence or adulthood.” “[N]o one can determine the gender identity of a two-year-old.”

“Premature” interventions for gender-dysphoric children are alarming. “The severity and irreversibility of some interventions being publicly discussed and employed for children” are alarming and disturbing. “Therapies, treatments, and surgeries seem disproportionate to the severity of the distress being experienced by these young people, and are…premature since the majority of children who identify as the gender opposite their biological sex will not continue to do so as adults.”

“[L]ittle scientific evidence” supports the value of therapeutic intervention to “delay puberty or modify the secondary sex characteristics of adolescents,” although some children may experience “improved psychological well-being if they are encouraged … in their cross-gender identification.” However, the report urges “caution” because of the “lack of reliable studies on the long-term effects” of those interventions.

Young kids are not transgender. Other factors likely explain their gender difficulties. “There is no evidence that all children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.” At least one “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders” criterion for diagnosing gender dysphoria (e.g., child exhibits a “strong preference for the toys, games, or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender”) is “unsound,” according to the report.

Furthermore, even when children do “identify as a gender opposite their biological sex, diagnoses of gender dysphoria are simply unreliable. The reality is that they may have psychological difficulties in accepting their biological sex as their gender” for other reasons, including uncomfortable gender expectations or trauma.


Part Three: Gender Identity – Sexuality and Gender - The New Atlantis


sorry cristycurves science agrees with me not you

Sorry Cm, it appears it doesn't . Today I've not much to do and spent it as you tend, I've been perusing the net, lol, and low and behold guess what I found ,your dicky docs( two religious fanatics who claim transgenderism as being a mental disorder) seem to have others poo pooing them and their findings:)

quote- The thing I've always loved about science is that, in the end, the truth really does win out, and most scientists are eager to know what it is. But there are always exceptions. When it comes to emotionally and politically charged topics like human sexuality and gender, even highly regarded professionals may find themselves tempted to bend the facts to support their own viewpoint rather than reality.

Such appears to be the case for Drs. Lawrence Mayer and Paul McHugh, coauthors of a recent report on sexuality and gender that has attracted substantial media attention. It was published by the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think tank “dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical areas of public policy,” in its non-peer reviewed journal The New Atlantis.

The article claims to be “a careful summary and an up-to-date explanation of research — from the biological, psychological, and social sciences — related to sexual orientation and gender identity.” It claims to show sexual orienation is chosen and not fixed, and that gay people are not "born gay." In truth, it is a selective and outdated collection of references and arguments aimed at confusing rather than clarifying our understanding of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Mayer and McHugh begin by baldly stating that sexual orientation is an “ambiguous” concept compared to other psychological traits, and that there are “currently no agreed-upon definitions for purposes of empirical research.”

This is pure balderdash. The scientists who actually work in this area widely accept the American Psychological Asdociation's definition of sexual orientation as “an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes,” and we have reliable, empirically validated ways to study it. Sexual orientation may be complex — every human characteristic is — but it is certainly far less complicated and ambiguous than many of the facets of personality that psychologists spend their time attempting to measure and study; e.g., “warmth,” “self-esteem,” and “imagination.”

The authors' review of the role of genes in sexual orientation, the area of my own research, is revealing of their methodology. Of the six studies using proper probability sampling methods that have been published in the peer-reviewed literature in the past 16 years, they include only one — and it just so happens to be the one with the lowest estimate of genetic influence of the entire set.

They then discuss, at great length, an obscure study of 7th- to 12th-graders, published in a sociology journal, that doesn't even measure sexual orientation, instead relying on a single question about “romantic attraction.” It's an odd choice of articles to review given Mayer and McHugh's emphasis on proper trait measurement; perhaps they were driven by the fact that it failed to find any heritability, thus supporting their claim that nobody is “born gay.” A very different conclusion was reached by a careful meta-analysis of all the available twin data, recently published in a large review that Mayer and McHugh fail to even mention.

This type of data cherry-picking makes the section of the report on gender identity equally unreliable. For example, the authors come out strongly against affirming the identities of transgender children, arguing that their “dysphoria,” as they insist on pathologizing gender fluidity, might be transient. But they neglect two very important recent studies showing that trans children who are affirmed by their parents are as happy and healthy as their peers, and that allowing them to express their true gender decreases depression and anxiety.

The section of the report on mental health correlates rings especially false. It begins by acknowledging several studies demonstrating that the prejudice, discrimination, and stigma experienced by LGBT people are significant contributors to their increased rates of depression, substance abuse, and suicidality. But instead of focusing on how such social stressors might be reduced, the authors jump to the conclusion, with no supporting evidence or calculations whatsoever, that these factors are insufficient to fully explain the observed mental health discrepancies. The not-too-subtle implication is that LGBT people are intrinsically defective, and that no amount of legal or societal acceptance will ever fix them.

Equally dubious are the authors' repeated calls for “more research.” Mayer has never published a single article on human sexuality or gender (his name doesn't even appear in the paper's bibliography), and McHugh actually has a long history of blocking such efforts, beginning with his closure of the pioneering gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins in 1979. McHugh claimed that his decision was based in science, but his real motivation became clear through his repeated reference to gender-confirmation surgery as a “mutilation” and his decision to explain his actions not in a scientific journal but in a conservative Catholic publication.

Rest assured that this report will have zero impact in the scientific world, which gives vanity journals like The New Atlantis about the same credence as the National Enquirer. It does, however, lend a certain air of legitimacy to the anti-LGBT arguments of various right-wing groups in the U.S. (which have received the publication with glee), the religious fundamentalists who are working to export homophobia to the developing world, and of course to pseudo-scientific organizations such as NARTH that promote “conversion therapy.”

Over the past two decades, I've been gratified by the gradual increase in knowledge and acceptance of the deeply rooted, intrinsic origins of sexual orientation and gender identity, and equally pleased by the growing realization that freedom of sexuality and gender are basic human rights independent of any scientific explanation. It doesn't upset me all that much when politicians and priests dispute the facts; after all, the Catholic Church only admitted that Galileo was right in 1992 (the same year I started my research at the National Institutes of Health), and it still doesn't accept Darwin.

But when the data we have struggled so long and hard to collect is twisted and misinterpreted by people who call themselves scientists, and who receive the benefits and protection of a mainstream institution such as John Hopkins Medical School, it disgusts me.

Dean Hamer
DEAN HAMER, Ph.D., is a scientist emeritus at the National Institutes of Health.
The Truth About The Massive New Study That Has Captivated Anti-LGBT Groups – ThinkProgress
HRC Launches Site Debunking Anti-LGBTQ Junk Science | Human Rights Campaign
Debunking the New Atlantis Article On Sexuality And Gender | HuffPost
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...controversial-sexuality-gender-report-n641501
 
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This is an interesting topic and unless one is going through the emotions of not being able to identify with their biological birth sex it is hard for the rest of us to understand because we are not in that situation.
 
Canada-Man said:
in the largest study of twin transgender adults, published by Dr. Milton Diamond in 2013, only 28 percent of the identical twins both identified as transgender. Seventy-two percent of the time, they differed

identical twins develop from the same zygote they are genetically identical


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2013.750222?journalCode=wijt20&

Perhaps I'm missing something but it seems this doctor you've used agrees that from his examples/test subjects, that being transgender is genetic.
 
cristycurves said:
Perhaps I'm missing something but it seems this doctor you've used agrees that from his examples/test subjects, that being transgender is genetic.



if it is genetic the transgender twin rat should be close to 100% not 28-30%
 
I haven't read all 5 pages but I just want to jump in and say this much... who cares? Why does it bother you if someone else identifies with being a sex differing from that they were born? Who cares? How does their life adversely affect yours? Right, it doesn't. So why not just be cool and leave others be instead of trying to ram your world view down their throats? Biological or spiritual, you don't get to dictate how others live.

Sad that this should ever have to be explained to anyone.

Crimson, you rock, keep doing you.
 
LadyJacklyn said:
I haven't read all 5 pages but I just want to jump in and say this much... who cares? Why does it bother you if someone else identifies with being a sex differing from that they were born? Who cares? How does their life adversely affect yours? Right, it doesn't. So why not just be cool and leave others be instead of trying to ram your world view down their throats? Biological or spiritual, you don't get to dictate how others live.

Sad that this should ever have to be explained to anyone.

Crimson, you rock, keep doing you.
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Amen!

Baz said:
This is an interesting topic and unless one is going through the emotions of not being able to identify with their biological birth sex it is hard for the rest of us to understand because we are not in that situation.
 
LadyJacklyn said:
I haven't read all 5 pages but I just want to jump in and say this much... who cares? Why does it bother you if someone else identifies with being a sex differing from that they were born? Who cares? How does their life adversely affect yours? Right, it doesn't. So why not just be cool and leave others be instead of trying to ram your world view down their throats? Biological or spiritual, you don't get to dictate how others live.

Sad that this should ever have to be explained to anyone.

Crimson, you rock, keep doing you.

I agree and that point was made in post 80.......:)
 
LadyJacklyn said:
I haven't read all 5 pages but I just want to jump in and say this much... who cares? Why does it bother you if someone else identifies with being a sex differing from that they were born? Who cares? How does their life adversely affect yours? Right, it doesn't. So why not just be cool and leave others be instead of trying to ram your world view down their throats? Biological or spiritual, you don't get to dictate how others live.

Sad that this should ever have to be explained to anyone.

Crimson, you rock, keep doing you.

Thank you :)

I'm gender non-binary male-assigned-at-birth with a history of gender dysphoria and I cringe when some heterosexual cis-gender man tries to cis-splain me the experiences of queer people.

Even worse when I have problems modulating my speech making it even more difficult for others to take me seriously as a gender non-binary individual.
 
LadyJacklyn said:
I haven't read all 5 pages but I just want to jump in and say this much... who cares? Why does it bother you if someone else identifies with being a sex differing from that they were born? Who cares? How does their life adversely affect yours? Right, it doesn't. So why not just be cool and leave others be instead of trying to ram your world view down their throats? Biological or spiritual, you don't get to dictate how others live.

Sad that this should ever have to be explained to anyone.

Crimson, you rock, keep doing you.

Exactly, as long as you aren't inflicting any harm on anybody else live and let live.
 
Crimson Mire said:
Thank you :)

I'm gender non-binary male-assigned-at-birth with a history of gender dysphoria and I cringe when some heterosexual cis-gender man tries to cis-splain me the experiences of queer people.

Even worse when I have problems modulating my speech making it even more difficult for others to take me seriously as a gender non-binary individual.

Much respect.............

I don't pretend to know your struggle but hope you find the contentment you deserve.
 
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