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Yeah there is very little difference between Republicans and Democrats. Democrats just say things nicer, but they agree on the same policies. There is no left-wing in American politics, just two right wing parties, one which is relatively sane and other which is insane. Obama and Clinton would've done exactly the same things.
 
Someone should tell him that the moon isn't made of cheese. He probably was lobbied by the cheese industry and thinks we should go to the moon and then turn it over to the cheese industry to mine
 
Scoop: Mueller obtains "tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails - Axios

[FONT=atiza_textregular]Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained “many tens of thousands" of Trump transition emails, including emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.

  • Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.
  • The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.
  • The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said.

[FONT=atiza_textregular]Why it matters: The transition emails are said to include sensitive exchanges on matters that include potential appointments, gossip about the views of particular senators involved in the confirmation process, speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes.

  • “Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads," a transition source told me.
How it happened: The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration, the government agency that hosted the transition email system, which had addresses ending in “ptt.gov," for Presidential Transition Team.
Taking fight public: Charging "unlawful conduct," Kory Langhofer, counsel for the transition team, wrote in a letter to congressional committees Saturday that "career staff at the General Services Administration ... have unlawfully produced [transition team] private materials, including privileged communications, to the Special Counsel's Office."


  • The seven-page letter, obtained by Axios, says: "We understand that the Special Counsel's Office has subsequently made extensive use of the materials it obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims."
  • The letter says this was a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
  • "Additionally, certain portions of the [transition] materials the Special Counsel's Office obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims, have been leaked to the press by unknown persons."
The Special Counsel's office said: "We will decline to comment."
The transition sources said they were surprised about the emails because they have been in touch with Mueller's team and have cooperated.
The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts.
Editor's Note: This story has been updated with details from the Langhofer letter to congressional committees.
 
Prim0 said:
WHAT?! No left wing in the US? Everything is right wing?! That is one of the most incorrect statements I've ever seen here. Typo?

Both parties are generally for increased government control, just in different areas. That's a trait of the left....not the right. Conservatives are supposed to be about adhering to the constitution as it was written...though some use it to push their religious or other agendas. Liberals are constantly trying to increase the government's reach into the daily lives of the citizens. Every time something goes even the least bit wonky, they start to cry that the government needs to step in.

I really don't get where you're coming from blackram.

Yes, none of what you stated has anything to do with left vs. right-wing. It's all a perverted Americanized sports match with nonsense definitions of left & right. In the rest of the world, nobody would call your parties left & right, they would call it right vs. far right.

Left-wing is generally about being pro-worker, advocating policies to help the poor (welfare, income equalization, etc.), and in general avoiding wars. Policies including, but not limited to, Medicare4All, $15/hr minimum wage, free/reduced cost college tuition, etc.

Right-wing is generally about being pro-business, advocating policies to help businesses (tax cuts, deregulation), and in general being for wars. It does not include reduced government interference, which is a Libertarian policy, quite unrelated to conservative policies. So advocating for more government control is actually quite classically conservative, as conservative is not Libertarian.

So if you look at the two parties' policies, you'll never find much difference in their policies. They are both for endless wars. Neither of them are for Medicare4All, both are controlled by big business, and do not represent the workers or the poor. They are both right-wing parties. The differences don't occur in policies, but in identity. The Democrats pay platitudes to being inclusive with gay people, blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, etc. While the Republicans don't bother paying platitudes to those things. But identity politics is easy to distinguish yourself, as there's no real policies there, all it involves is having a different attitude, and you don't have to say anything than "I'm with you!"

The Democrats have been doing this for the past 30 years, paying platitudes but not actually representing their people, and now it's caught up to them. The people no longer believe them, not even their own base. That's why Bernie Sanders caught on so heavily with the Democratic base. A party that's supposedly for the workers shouldn't be the party that introduces free-trade agreements around the world! So there's a revolution taking place within the Democratic party, more popular and powerful than the Tea Party revolution inside the Republicans, and way less covered by the mainstream media. Just about every Democratic congressman will be primaried in the next election by more left-wing Democrats. These are real left-wingers, economic populists, not the typical identity politics twats. Watch for it, when it comes you're going to say, "I didn't see that coming".
 
Prim0 said:
We see the upheaval in the Democrat party and the movement to take them further left. I can see where you're coming from now but I think part of my confusion over your statement is that people here in the States are constantly trying to change or hide the meanings of words in politics. Yes, both parties tend to be moving towards more government control of this, that or the other......leftism. The term conservative is often incorrectly interchanged with Republican or Right Wing as often as socialism is interchanged with Democrat and left wing.

All I do know is that things are generally worse for people the more that government takes control. I'm with the Libertarians.....keep the government small and out of everyone's business. Let markets decide who succeeds or fails. Let people make choices freely and let them live with the consequences of their choices.

I think you'll find taking the Democratic party further to the left is exactly what's needed, and even most conservatives can agree with those goals. That's because policies like reduced wars, Medicare4All, higher taxes for massive corporations and billionaires, resonates even within conservative circles. The current Democratic party is a far cry from the party of Franklin Roosevelt, the party of workers that took the US out of the Great Depression. FDR was so popular, he was elected 4 times. He was so popular, he had to die in office before they could get him out of there. He was so popular they had to add a constitutional amendment to prevent presidents from staying in office longer than 2 terms.

Obama disappointed everyone, it's only now starting to become obvious to lifelong Democrats how ineffective he was. He was obstructed by Republicans, sure, but he had the power to make them pay, and he never did, mainly because he was basically a Republican in philosophy: he did nothing to help the working class, but helped out a lot of bankers. Hope and Change turned into Status Quo and Deja Vu.

A major surgery needs to be undertaken on the Democratic party before something similar can happen to the Republican Party. The Democrats protect the Republicans, by being completely ineffective and useless. You need to get the current generation of Democrats out of there first, or else nothing will change in the entire political system.
 
Don't see that happening.

Just try to get Fries with Gravy in Africa.

but I hear the poutine is out of this world provided you don't get eating by a lion or attacked by a baboon which I hear can be pretty violent animals.
 
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