What's it called? (***NO PORK ZONE***)

[bobistheowl]

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[bobistheowl]

What's the name of that game the Incas or Aztecs or Mayans played, that was sort of like a cross between basketball, soccer and hacky sack? It was a team sport played in a long, deep trench, with little hoops about ten feet up on the side walls. They had to get a small ball through the hoop to score, without using their hands. Hardly anyone ever scored a goal, but if they did, all the spectators ran away, because the goal scorer was entitled to all of the personal possessions the spectators were carrying.

What was that game called? Someone here must know this.

 

[papasmerf]

The Ball Game

 

[papasmerf]

Um Bob

My guess is either right or wrong but a legitimate guess

[h=1]Mesoamerican ballgame[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Mesoamerican ballgame or Ōllamaliztli in Nahuatl (Nahuatl pronunciation: /oːlːamaˈlistɬi/) was a sport with ritual associations played since 1,400 B.C.[SUP][1][/SUP] by the pre-Columbianpeoples of Ancient Mexico and Central America. The sport had different versions in different places during the millennia, and a newer more modern version of the game, ulama, is still played in a few places by the indigenous population.[SUP][2][/SUP]
The rules of Ōllamaliztli are not known, but judging from its descendant, ulama, they were probably similar to racquetball,[SUP][3][/SUP] where the aim is to keep the ball in play. The stone ballcourt goals are a late addition to the game.
In the most widespread version of the game, the players struck the ball with their hips, although some versions allowed the use of forearms, rackets, bats, or handstones. The ball was made of solid rubber and weighed as much as 4 kg (9 lbs), and sizes differed greatly over time or according to the version played.
The game had important ritual aspects, and major formal ballgames were held as ritual events, often featuring human sacrifice. The sport was also played casually for recreation by children and perhaps even women.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Pre-Columbian ballcourts have been found throughout Mesoamerica, as far south as Nicaragua, and possibly as far north as what is now the U.S. state of Arizona.[SUP][5][/SUP] These ballcourts vary considerably in size, but all have long narrow alleys with side-walls against which the balls could bounce.

[h=2]Contents[/h] [hide]​

• 1 Origins
• 2 Material and formal aspects
  • 2.1 Clothing and gear
  • 2.2 Rubber balls
  • 2.3 Ballcourt
• 3 Cultural aspects
  • 3.1 Proxy for warfare
  • 3.2 Human sacrifice
  • 3.3 Symbolism
  • 3.4 Myth
    • 3.4.1 Nahua
    • 3.4.2 Maya
• 4 The ballgame in Mesoamerican civilizations
  • 4.1 Maya civilization
  • 4.2 Teotihuacan
  • 4.3 Aztec
  • 4.4 Pacific coast
  • 4.5 Caribbean
• 5 Notes
• 6 References
• 7 Further reading
• 8 External links

[h=2]Origins[edit][/h]

Map showing sites where early ballcourts, balls, or figurines have been recovered​

It is not known precisely when or where Ōllamaliztli originated, although it is likely that the game originated earlier than 1400 BCE in the low-lying tropical zones home to the rubber tree.[SUP][6][/SUP]
One candidate for the birthplace of the ballgame is the Soconusco coastal lowlands along the Pacific Ocean.[SUP][7][/SUP] Here, at Paso de la Amada, archaeologists have found the oldest ballcourt yet discovered, dated to approximately 1400 BCE.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The other major candidate is the Olmec heartland, across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec along the Gulf Coast.[SUP][8][/SUP] The Aztecs referred to their Postclassic contemporaries who then inhabited the region as the Olmeca (i.e. "rubber people") since the region was strongly identified with latex production.[SUP][9][/SUP] The earliest-known rubber balls come from the sacrificial bog at El Manatí, an early Olmec-associated site located in the hinterland of the Coatzalcoalcos Riverdrainage system. Villagers, and subsequently archaeologists, have recovered a dozen balls ranging in diameter from 10 to 22 cm from the freshwater spring there. Five of these balls have been dated to the earliest-known occupational phase for the site, approximately 1700–1600 BCE.[SUP][10][/SUP] These rubber balls were found with other ritual offerings buried at the site, indicating that even at this early date Ōllamaliztli had religious and ritual connotations.[SUP][11][/SUP] A stone "yoke" of the type frequently associated with Mesoamerican ballcourts was also reported to have been found by local villagers at the site, leaving open the distinct possibility that these rubber balls were related to the ritual ballgame, and not simply an independent form of sacrificial offering.[SUP][12][/SUP]
Excavations at the nearby Olmec site of San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán have also uncovered a number of ballplayer figurines, radiocarbon-dated as far back as 1250–1150 BCE. A rudimentary ballcourt, dated to a later occupation at San Lorenzo, 600–400 BCE, has also been identified.[SUP][13][/SUP]
From the tropical lowlands, Ōllamaliztli apparently moved into central Mexico. Starting around 1000 BCE or earlier, ballplayer figurines were interred with burials at Tlatilco and similarly styled figurines from the same period have been found at the nearby Tlapacoya site.[SUP][14][/SUP] It was about this period, as well, that the so-called Xochipala-style ballplayer figurines were crafted in Guerrero. Although no ballcourts of similar age have been found in Tlatilco or Tlapacoya, it is possible that the ballgame was indeed played in these areas, but on courts with perishable boundaries or temporary court markers.[SUP][15][/SUP]
By 300 BCE, evidence for Ōllamaliztli appears throughout much of the Mesoamerican archaeological record, including ballcourts in the Central Chiapas Valley (the next oldest ballcourts discovered, after Paso de la Amada),[SUP][16][/SUP] and in the Valley of Oaxaca, as well as ceramic ballgame tableaus from Western Mexico (see photo here).
[h=2]Material and formal aspects[edit][/h]

A modern Sinaloa ulamaplayer. The outfit is similar to that worn by Aztec players.​

As might be expected with a game played over such a long period of time by many cultures, details varied over time and place, so the Mesoamerican ballgame might be more accurately seen as a family of related games. It is known in Spanish as juego de pelota ("ballgame"), inClassic Maya as pitz, and in modern Nahuatl as ollamaliztli.
In general, the hip-ball version is most popularly thought of as "the" Mesoamerican ballgame,[SUP][17][/SUP] and researchers believe that this version was the primary—or perhaps only—version played within the masonry ballcourt.[SUP][18][/SUP] Ample archaeological evidence exists for games where the ball was struck by a wooden stick (e.g. a mural at Teotihuacan shows a game which resembles field hockey), racquets, bats and batons, handstones, and the forearm, perhaps at times in combination. The various types of games each had its own size of ball, specialized gear and playing field, and rules.
Games were played between two teams of players. The number of players per team could vary, between 2 to 4.[SUP][19][/SUP][SUP][20][/SUP] Some games were played on makeshift courts for simple recreation while others were formal spectacles on huge stone ballcourts leading to human sacrifice.
Even without human sacrifice, the game could be brutal and there were often serious injuries inflicted by the solid, heavy ball. Today's hip-ulamaplayers are "perpetually bruised"[SUP][21][/SUP] while nearly 500 years ago Spanish chronicler Diego Durán reported that some bruises were so severe that they had to be lanced open. He also reported that players were even killed when the ball "hit them in the mouth or the stomach or the intestines".[SUP][22][/SUP]
The rules of Ōllamaliztli, regardless of the version, are not known in any detail. In modern-day ulama, the game resembles a net-less volleyball,[SUP][23][/SUP] with each team confined to one half of the court. In the most widespread version of ulama, the ball is hit back and forth using only the hips until one team fails to return it or the ball leaves the court.
In the Postclassic period, the Maya began placing vertical stone rings on each side of the court, the object being to pass the ball through one, an innovation that continued into the later Toltec and Aztec cultures.
In the sixteenth-century Aztec ballgame that the Spaniards witnessed, points were lost by a player who let the ball bounce more than twice before returning it to the other team, who let the ball go outside the boundaries of the court, or who tried and failed to pass the ball through one of the stone rings placed on each wall along the center line.[SUP][24][/SUP]According to 16th century Aztec chronicler Motolinia, points were gained if the ball hit the opposite end wall, while the decisive victory was reserved for the team that put the ball through a ring.[SUP][25][/SUP] However, placing the ball through the ring was a rare event—the rings at Chichen Itza, for example, were set 6 meters off the playing field—and most games were likely won on points.[SUP][26][/SUP]
[h=3]Clothing and gear[edit][/h]

Sak Ch’een, lord of Motul de San Jose c.8th century,[SUP][27][/SUP] dressed as a ball player with a large yoke, painted deerskin hip guards, and elaborate headdress. He is dropping onto his knee to strike the ball, which is probably exaggerated to huge proportions.[SUP][28][/SUP]​

The clothing, headdresses, gloves, all but the stone, have long been gone and we must rely on art—paintings and drawings, stone reliefs and figurines—to provide evidence for pre-Columbian ballplayer clothing and gear, which varied considerably in type and quantity. Capes and masks, for example, are shown on several Dainzu reliefs while Teotihuacan murals show men playing stick-ball in skirts.[SUP][29][/SUP]
The basic hip-game outfit consisted of a loincloth, sometimes augmented with leather hip guards. Loincloths are found on the earliest ballplayer figurines from Tlatilco, Tlapacoya, and the Olmec culture, are seen in the Weiditz drawing from 1528 (below), and, with hip guards, are the sole outfit of modern day ulama players (above)—a span of nearly 3000 years.
In many cultures, further protection was provided by a thick girdle, most likely of wicker or wood covered in fabric or leather. Made of perishable materials, none of these girdles have survived, although many stone "yoke" have been uncovered. Misnamed by earlier archaeologists due to its resemblance to an animal yoke, the stone yoke is thought to be too heavy for actual play and was likely used only before or after the game in ritual contexts.[SUP][30][/SUP] In addition to providing some protection from the ball, the girdle or yoke would also have helped propel the ball with more force than the hip alone. Additionally, some players wore chest protectors called palmas which were inserted into the yoke and stood upright in front of the chest.
Kneepads are seen on a variety of players from many areas and eras, and are worn by forearm-ulama players today. A type of garter is also often seen, worn just below knee or around the ankle—it is not known what function this served. Gloves appear on the purported ballplayer reliefs of Dainzu, roughly 500 BCE, as well as the Aztec players drawn by Weiditz 2000 years later (see drawing below).[SUP][31][/SUP]Helmets (likely utilitarian) and elaborate headdresses (likely used only in ritual contexts) are also common in ballplayer depictions, headdresses being particularly prevalent on Maya painted vases or on Jaina Island figurines. Many ballplayers of the Classic era are seen with a right kneepad—no left—and a wrapped right forearm, as shown in the Maya image above.
[h=3]Rubber balls[edit][/h]

In this detail from the late 15th century Codex Borgia, the Aztec godXiuhtecuhtli brings a rubber ball offering to a temple. The balls each hold a quetzal feather, part of the offering.​

Main article: Mesoamerican rubber balls
It is not known with any certainty of the sizes or weights of the balls actually used in the ballgame. While several dozen ancient balls have been recovered, they were originally laid down as offerings in a sacrificial bog or spring, and there is no evidence that any of these were used in the ballgame. In fact, some of these extant votive balls were created specifically as offerings.[SUP][32][/SUP]
However, based on a review of modern-day game balls, ancient rubber balls, and other archaeological evidence, it is presumed by most researchers that the ancient hip-ball was made of a mix from one or another of the latex-producing plants found all the way from the southeastern rain forests to the northern desert.[SUP][33][/SUP] Most balls were made from latex sap of the lowland Castilla elastica tree. Someone discovered that by mixing latex with sap from the vine of a species of morning glory (Calonyction aculeatum) they could turn the slippery polymers in raw latex into a resilient rubber. The size varied between 10 and 12 in (25 and 30 cm) (measured in hand spans) and weighed 3 to 6 lb (1.4 to 2.7 kg).[SUP][34][/SUP] The ball used in the ancient handball or stick-ball game was probably slightly larger and heavier than a modern-day baseball.[SUP][35][/SUP]
Some Maya depictions, such as the painting above or this relief, show balls 1 m (3 ft 3 in) or more in diameter. Academic consensus is that these depictions are exaggerations or symbolic, as are, for example, the impossibly unwieldy headdresses worn in the same portrayals.[SUP][36][/SUP]
[h=3]Ballcourt[edit][/h]Main article: Mesoamerican ballcourt

Ballcourt at Uaxactun, in the Petén Basin region of the Maya lowlands​

Ōllamaliztli was played within a large masonry structure. Built in a form that changed remarkably little during 2700 years, over 1300 Mesoamerican ballcourts have been identified, 60% in the last 20 years alone.[SUP][37][/SUP] Although there is a tremendous variation in size, in general all ballcourts are the same shape: a long narrow playing alley flanked by walls with both horizontal and sloping (or, more rarely, vertical) surfaces. The walls were often plastered and brightly painted. Although the alleys in early ballcourts were open-ended, later ballcourts had enclosed end-zones, giving the structure an -shape when viewed from above. Although the length-to-width ratio remained relatively constant at 4-to-1,[SUP][38][/SUP] there was nonetheless tremendous variation in ballcourt size. The playing field of the Great Ballcourt at Chichen Itza, by far the largest, measures 96.5 meters long by 30 meters wide while the Ceremonial Court at Tikal was only 16 meters by 5 meters.[SUP][39][/SUP]

Cross sections of some of the more typical ballcourts​

Across Mesoamerica, ballcourts were built and used for many generations. Although ballcourts are found within most sizable Mesoamerican ruins, they are not equally distributed across time or geography. For example, the Late Classic site of El Tajin, the largest city of the ballgame-obsessed Classic Veracruz culture, has at least 18 ballcourts while Cantona, a nearby contemporaneous site, sets the record with 24.[SUP][40][/SUP] In contrast, northern Chiapas[SUP][41][/SUP] and the northern Maya Lowlands[SUP][42][/SUP] have relatively few, and ballcourts are conspicuously absent at some major sites, including Teotihuacan,Bonampak, and Tortuguero, although Ōllamaliztli iconography has been found there.[SUP][43][/SUP]
Ancient cities with particularly fine ballcourts in good condition include Tikal, Yaxha, Copán, Iximche, Monte Albán, Uxmal, Chichen Itza,Yagul, Xochicalco, Mixco Viejo and Zaculeu.
Ballcourts were public spaces used for a variety of elite cultural events and ritual activities like musical performances and festivals, and of course, the ballgame. Pictorial depictions often show musicians playing at ballgames, while votive deposits buried at the Main Ballcourt atTenochtitlan contained miniature whistles, ocarinas, and drums. A pre-Columbian ceramic from western Mexico shows what appears to be a wrestling match taking place on a ballcourt.[SUP][44][/SUP]
[h=2]Cultural aspects[edit][/h][h=3]Proxy for warfare[edit][/h]

Stela from El Baúl in theCotzumalhuapa Nuclear Zone, showing two ballplayers.​

Ōllamaliztli was a ritual deeply engrained in Mesoamerican cultures and served purposes beyond that of a mere sporting event. Fray Juan de Torquemada, a 16th-century Spanish missionary and historian, tells that the Aztec emperor Axayacatl played , the leader ofXochimilco, wagering his annual income against several Xochimilco chinampas.[SUP][45][/SUP] Ixtlilxochitl, a contemporary of Torquemada, relates thatTopiltzin, the Toltec king, played against 3 rivals, the winner was to rule all.[SUP][46][/SUP]
These examples and others are cited by many researchers who have made compelling arguments that Ōllamaliztli served as a way to defuse or resolve conflicts without genuine warfare, to settle disputes through a ballgame instead of a battle.[SUP][47][/SUP] Over time, then, the ballgame's role would expand to include not only external mediation, but also the resolution of competition and conflict within the society as well.[SUP][48][/SUP]
This "boundary maintenance" or "conflict resolution" theory would also account for some of the irregular distribution of ballcourts. Overall, there appears to be a negative correlation between the degree of political centralization and the number of ballcourts at a site.[SUP][49][/SUP] For example, theAztec Empire, with a strong centralized state and few external rivals, had relatively few ballcourts while Middle Classic Cantona, with 24 ballcourts, had many diverse cultures residing there under a relatively weak state.[SUP][50][/SUP]
Other scholars support these arguments by pointing to the warfare imagery often found at ballcourts:

• The southeast panel of the South Ballcourt at El Tajin shows the protagonist ballplayer being dressed in a warrior's garb.[SUP][51][/SUP]
• Captives are a prominent part of ballgame iconography. For example:

Several ceramic figurines show war captives holding game balls.The ballcourt at Tonina was decorated with sculptures of bound captives.A captive-within-the-ball motif is seen on the Hieroglyphic Stairs at Structure 33 in Yaxchilan and on Altar 8 at Tikal.

• The modern-day descendent of the ballgame, ulama, "until quite recently was connected with warfare and many reminders of that association remain".[SUP][52][/SUP]

[h=3]Human sacrifice[edit][/h]

One of a series of murals from the South Ballcourt at El Tajin, showing the sacrifice of a ballplayer​

The association between human sacrifice and the ballgame appears rather late in the archaeological record, no earlier than the Classic era.[SUP][53][/SUP] The association was particularly strong within the Classic Veracruz and the Maya cultures, where the most explicit depictions of human sacrifice can be seen on the ballcourt panels—for example at El Tajin (850–1100 CE)[SUP][54][/SUP] and at Chichen Itza (900–1200 CE)—as well as on the well-known decapitated ballplayer stelae from the Classic Veracruz site of Aparicio (700–900 CE). The Postclassic Maya religious and quasi-historical narrative, the Popol Vuh, also links human sacrifice with the ballgame (see below).
Captives were often shown in Maya art, and it is assumed that these captives were sacrificed after losing a rigged ritual ballgame.[SUP][55][/SUP]Rather than nearly nude and sometimes battered captives, however, the ballcourts at El Tajin and Chichen Itza show the sacrifice of practiced ballplayers, perhaps the captain of a team.[SUP][56][/SUP] Decapitation is particularly associated with the ballgame—severed heads are featured in much Late Classic ballgame art and appear repeatedly in the Popol Vuh. There has even been speculation that the heads and skulls were used as balls.[SUP][57][/SUP]
[h=3]Symbolism[edit][/h]Little is known about the game's symbolic contents. Several themes recur in scholarly writing.

• Astronomy. The bouncing ball is thought to have represented the sun.[SUP][58][/SUP] The stone scoring rings are speculated to signify sunrise and sunset, or equinoxes.
• War. This is the most obvious symbolic aspect of the game (see also above, "Proxy for warfare"). Among the Mayas, the ball can represent the vanquished enemy, both in the late-Postclassic K'iche' kingdom (Popol Vuh), and in Classic kingdoms such as that of Yaxchilan.
• Fertility. Formative period ballplayer figurines—most likely females—often wear maize icons.[SUP][59][/SUP] At El Tajin, the ballplayer sacrifice ensures the renewal of pulque, an alcoholicmaguey cactus beverage.
• Cosmologic duality. The game is seen as a struggle between day and night,[SUP][60][/SUP] and/or a battle between life and the underworld.[SUP][61][/SUP] Courts were considered portals to the underworld and were built in key locations within the central ceremonial precincts. Playing ball engaged one in the maintenance of the cosmic order of the universe and the ritual regeneration of life.

[h=3]Myth[edit][/h][h=4]Nahua[edit][/h]According to an important Nahua source, the Leyenda de los Soles,[SUP][62][/SUP] the Toltec king Huemac played ball against the Tlalocs, with precious stones and quetzal feathers at stake. Huemac won the game. When instead of precious stones and feathers, the rain deities offered Huemac their young maize ears and maize leaves, Huemac refused. As a consequence of this vanity, the Toltecs suffered a four-year drought. The same ball game match, with its unfortunate aftermath, signified the beginning of the end of the Toltec reign.
[h=4]Maya[edit][/h]

Ballcourt marker, from the Maya site of Chinkultic, dated to 591. The ball itself displays the finely incised portrait of a young deity.​

The Maya Twin myth of the Popol Vuh establishes the importance of the game (referred to in Classic Maya as pitz) as a symbol for warfare intimately connected to the theme of fertility (entailing an equation of human heads, calabashes and squashes). The story begins with the Hero Twins' father, Hun Hunahpu, and uncle, Vucub Hunahpu, playing ball near the underworld, Xibalba.[SUP][63][/SUP] The lords of the underworld became annoyed with the noise from the ball playing and so the primary lords of Xibalba, One Death and Seven Death, sent owls to lure the twins to the ballcourt of Xibalba, situated on the western edge of the underworld. Despite the danger the brothers fall asleep and are captured and sacrificed by the lords of Xibalba and then buried in the ballcourt. Hun Hunahpu is decapitated and his head hung in a fruit tree, which bears the first calabash gourds. Hun Hunahpu's head spits into the hands of a passing goddess who conceives and bears the Hero Twins, Hunahpu and Xbalanque. The Hero Twins eventually find the ballgame equipment in their father’s house and start playing, again to the annoyance of the Lords of Xibalba, who summon the twins to play the ballgame amidst trials and dangers. In one notable episode, Hunahpu is decapitated by bats. His brother uses a squash as Hunahpu's substitute head until his real one, now used as a ball by the Lords, can be retrieved and placed back on Hunahpu's shoulders. The twins eventually go on to play the ballgame with the Lords of Xibalba, defeating them. However, the twins are unsuccessful in reviving their father, so they leave him buried in the ballcourt of Xibalba.
[h=2]The ballgame in Mesoamerican civilizations[edit][/h][h=3]Maya civilization[edit][/h]

Great Ballcourt at Chichen Itza​

The Quichean Twin myth links ballcourts with death and its overcoming. The ballcourt becomes a place of transition, a liminal stage between life and death. The ballcourt markers along the centerline of the Classic playing field depicted ritual and mythical scenes of the ballgame, often bordered by a quatrefoil that marked a portal into another world. The Twins themselves, however, are usually absent from Classic ballgame scenes, with the Vucub Caquix of the Copan ballcourt, holding the severed arm of Hunahpu, as an important exception.[SUP][64][/SUP]
[h=3]Teotihuacan[edit][/h]No ballcourt has yet been identified at Teotihuacan, making it by far the largest Classic era site without one. In fact, the ballgame seems to have been nearly forsaken not only in Teotihuacan, but in areas such as Matacapan or Tikal that were under Teotihuacano influence.[SUP][65][/SUP]
Despite the lack of a ballcourt, ball games were not unknown there. The murals of the compound at Teotihuacan show a number of small scenes that seem to portray various types of ball games, including:

• A two-player game in an open-ended masonry ballcourt.[SUP][66][/SUP] (See third picture below.)
• Teams using sticks on an open field whose end zones are marked by stone monuments.[SUP][66][/SUP]
• Separate renditions of single players. (See side pictures above.)

It has been hypothesized that, for reasons as yet unknown, the stick-game eclipsed the hip-ball game at Teotihuacan and at Teotihuacan-influenced cities, and only after the fall of Teotihuacan did the hip-game reassert itself.[SUP][67][/SUP]

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  Ballplayer painting from the Tepantitla murals.
  
  
  
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  Ballplayer painting from the Tepantitla, Teotihuacan murals. Note the speech scrollissuing from the player's mouth.
  
  
  
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  Detail of a Tepantitla mural showing a hip-ball game on an open-ended ballcourt, represented by the parallel horizontal lines.Aztec[edit]
  
  

 

[bobistheowl]

Thank you papasmerf. I just needed Ōllamaliztli, but I learned a few things from the Wikipedia article.

I'll move post #3 to Richard Simmons has aids, so as to not interrupt the flow of intellectual discourse.

 

[bobistheowl]

The center piece for a 45 RPM vinyl record:

Does this thing have a name? I always thought it was called a google, since before there was a search engine by that name. The Google Chrome logo looks like one of these things, too. I've never found a dictionary source that confirms this.

Does anybody know a specific name for this device, like if '45 RPM center piece' was was the crossword puzzle clue, what would 19 down be in the puzzle?

 

[Transient]

The Spider[edit]

The former RCA Corporation introduced a snap-in plastic insert known as a spider [SUP][1][/SUP] to make 45 rpm records compatible with the smaller spindle size of a 33⅓ rpm LP record player. Commissioned by RCA president David Sarnoff and invented by Thomas Hutchison, spiders were prevalent in the 1960s and sold tens of millions per year. The Hutchison adapter included small bumps called "drive pins," which locked the adapters together while revolving, thus preventing the stacked records from slipping against each other. Several manufacturers made "spider" adapters in slightly varying shapes and many different colors, though yellow and red were most frequently used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45_rpm_adapter

 

[User-E]

Remember the horror of the spider snapping in half while trying to place it in the little hole?

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Remember the horror of the spider snapping in half while trying to place it in the little hole?

We're not talking about sex are we? :biggrin2:































Seriously though? Yes...oh god yes I remember getting so pissed at this happening.

 

[User-E]

I've designated this thread as a ***NO PORK ZONE***, to allow for intelligent questions, answers, and discussion, without the distraction of small talk, tomfoolery, text-less posts, and sundry redundancies.

We're not talking about sex are we? :biggrin2:































Seriously though? Yes...oh god yes I remember getting so pissed at this happening.

Close call Cardinal ... :NoNoNo:

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Really? I didn't think I was even close.

 

[bobistheowl]

Remember the horror of the spider snapping in half while trying to place it in the little hole?

 

[bobistheowl]

Really? I didn't think I was even close.

Somewhere else, please.

 

[User-E]

My post was on topic. Not long winded enough for you??

 

[bobistheowl]

My post was on topic. Not long winded enough for you??

"I've designated this thread as a ***NO PORK ZONE***, to allow for intelligent questions, answers, and discussion, without the distraction of small talk, tomfoolery, text-less posts, and sundry redundancies."

It was 'gateway' pork, encouraging more of the same, which inevitably happened. I'm disappointed. If I wasn't in a hurry to make my 2:30 teaching appointment, I would consider cutting off a slice.

This is a trial run, to see if I'm going to resume TV Trivia, after some house cleaning is done. I can't have spectators running on the playing field again. It's not worth it to me.

 

[Boing]

LMAO with you all, keep on the entertainment value. I pay big money for my front row seats.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I can't have spectators running on the playing field again. It's not worth it to me.

I agree with you. I think Sarah was streaking too.

 

[User-E]

"I've designated this thread as a ***NO PORK ZONE***, to allow for intelligent questions, answers, and discussion, without the distraction of small talk, tomfoolery, text-less posts, and sundry redundancies."

It was 'gateway' pork, encouraging more of the same, which inevitably happened. I'm disappointed. If I wasn't in a hurry to make my 2:30 teaching appointment, I would consider cutting off a slice.

This is a trial run, to see if I'm going to resume TV Trivia, after some house cleaning is done. I can't have spectators running on the playing field again. It's not worth it to me.

Look - if I plant a little bacon bit in your thread, it's not my fault if others come along and blow it up into a huge ham. I'm not capable of making long winded posts, but even my one liners are sincere.

 

[papasmerf]

Don't ya just hate it when you ask for Kosher and your Bacon double Burger comes out with cheese on it?

 

[Johnnybehorny]

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to allow for intelligent questions, answers, and discussion, without the distraction