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Dissey23 said:
I'm not trying to disrespect anyone Dissey, but in my time in the industry gentlemen of asian decent have been typically less well-endowed than the majority of other client groups, although there have certainly been exceptions to that rule across the board.
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and how about caucasians and black
Why do you want to know about ethnic groups penis' ?
I'm starting to wonder about you.
Well, no not really.
I simply stated that you have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason (other than race because that would be racist) and went on to explain how the guy felt for your refusal/rejection.
You didn't answer either of my questions though: how would YOU feel if some guy said he couldn't do you because your vagina was too ugly or you're too dumb?
The thing women should understand is that guys face enormous amounts of rejection. I for one have been rejected thousands of times (easily). For eg: figure 3 times a night, x 2 nights a week (min) that's 6 times a week, x 52 weeks 312 a year. Now I've been interested in women since I was 13 so that's 40 yrs x 312 a year = 12,480 times. Even if you deduct the 4 5 yr relationships I had that still leaves over 10,000 times. This is just to give you an idea of what buddy was feeling. I know I'd flip if I was rejected by an SP because of how my penis looked.
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Geez I feel a lot better now. I've only been rejected about half that amount.LOL.
LOL after a certain amount it just becomes commonplace.....like the second last night I ever tried to meet women: 27 times in one night.......the last night I was at a table with 10 single women and couldn't get ONE of them to dance with me. That was the last time I ever tried to hookup/meet/get to know a woman.....(live anyways, I still give POF a shot once in a while).
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Well yes actually. You can't say you have the right to refuse service to anyone, then tack on a whole bunch of disclaimers and exclusion clauses...it kind of makes you look a little wishy-washy Charlie Brown.
My personal sense at this point, having thoughts about it quite a bit, is that I do in fact have the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason I see fit. That inclused race, color, creed, ethnicity, political affiliation, or religious affiliation. Particularly if that reason gives me reason to fear for personal safety and well being.
In this case, I was simply not going to risk potential personal injury for $300. As the men are fond of saying in this industry: "It's a business" and in a free society, we can all choose who we desire to do business with and who we choose to pass on.
You need to remember tboy, that it's not you seeing the myriad clients day after day. You are not personally privy to the behavioural trends of most client cultures and from the varying ethnic backgrounds, week after week, so you are rather poorly positioned to make such a broad statement like to refuse a client based on race is "racist" in the context of the escort industry.
In terms of the concept of rejection, you are also not privy to the absolutely degrading, insulting, and humiliating things clients can say directly to your face in a session, or write publicly about in a review:
- you finish oral, including facial + CIM because it's "his fetish" and he says "you know, you could stand to lose 15lbs. honey (when you're 5'9" and only weight 117lbs. to start with!)
- why did you cut/color your hair, it's not very sexy this way
- I think you're too tan / not tan enough
- you're pussy is sooo smooth, but I prefer bush. Could you grow it out for me?
- I liked your breasts better when you were natural
- I'd normally leave a tip, but you didn't swallow, now did you sweetheart?
With things like that tossed out on a very regular basis tboy, I learned a long time ago that it can be a callous and very politically incorrect industry, so I apologize in advance, but frankly, in certain situations, I am truly less than concerned about my clients' feelings of rejection.
Sorry to rant, but you clearly don't have a very well rounded insight into the escort industry.
Well, to each his or her own. I was simply trying to point out how you made your client feel, if you don't care about that, then honestly? You're not a very good sp.
Oh, and for the record, since you're in "business" and if you refuse to serve someone due to race, that is racist and that my friend, is AGAINST THE LAW.
So, when all these clients said these things to you, how did it make you feel? I bet it didn't make you feel all warm and cozy inside did it? And all those comments I've heard similar from women directed towards me so you're not exclusive in having comments tossed your way. (except for the breasts I mean, cuz I don't have fake ones lol)
As for a "well rounded insight" into this industry. I don't have first hand experience no, but I have had many sp's open up to me about the business and know and have known quite a few personally and have heard the stories. If you're so degraded and humiliated, why are you IN the biz?
Oh, and for the record, since you're in "business" and if you refuse to serve someone due to race, that is racist and that my friend, is AGAINST THE LAW.
So, when all these clients said these things to you, how did it make you feel? I bet it didn't make you feel all warm and cozy inside did it? And all those comments I've heard similar from women directed towards me so you're not exclusive in having comments tossed your way. (except for the breasts I mean, cuz I don't have fake ones lol)
As for a "well rounded insight" into this industry. I don't have first hand experience no, but I have had many sp's open up to me about the business and know and have known quite a few personally and have heard the stories. If you're so degraded and humiliated, why are you IN the biz?
Not trying to add fire here....but I am curious about this comment of yours. I am a true believer in equality and it would concern me very much if a person would be rejected based on his/her 'race, color, creed, ethnicity, political affiliation, or religious affiliation.' Perhaps you should reconsider this......
and of course your personal safety should always be your number one priority. However, if your client is a "minority" or belongs to some "cult" but h/she is very friendly, safe and respectful of people's feelings and properties, would he/she be rejected? Sorry I am just seeking clarification here.
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WHile I agree with you, one thing you cannot do is refuse service to someone based on race. That is wrong on so many levels. Now in one's personal life, you can choose who you find attractive or not based on any criteria you desire but when you're in business, and believe me, this IS a business, you cannot. You have to have valid reasons to not provide a service your business is based upon. Not only is it morally wrong, it is in the criminal code of canada.
If someone has problems with various races of men, then they really should seriously consider another line of work.
It is a sticky situation in this business because yes, it is an intimate act between a man and a woman and it is her body afterall. But the line gets crossed when you turn that into a business. We all have to do things we'd prefer not to in our line of work. For eg: I have to unclog drains with years of rotting dead skin and clomps of hair, when I remove a toilet to do tiling and have to remove the wax ring I have to stand over the drain with clomps of poo stuck to it. But at NO time do I or can I say "I won't work for you because you're jamaican"....holy fuck I'd be up on charges faster than you can blow your nose.
Oh, and just so you know Auggie? Not all, but a LOT of sp's judge us worse than we judge them. Believe me, if you've heard some of the things that have been said to me you'd think twice before thinking they don't. I mean hell, women in general judge us all the time, why would SP's be any different?
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tboy, I'm not sure you really took the time to actually read my last post. I said " in certain situations, I am less than concerned about my clients' feelings of rejection". You've taken that statement and blown it out of all proportion, and by comparing the laws governing regular industries and business in general to the escorting industry, well pardon me for saying so, but you just sound foolish.
Your comments are so random, it appears as though you like to argue just for the sake of arguing, and escalate to rage state almost instantaneously with no real point to make other than to oppose someone else's position!? What's up with that? It's clear you have many personal issues you need to sort through, so I think it best to end this thread and to let you go do that - good luck.
Thank you to the others who provided balanced input and feedback, it is very much appreciated.
Your comments are so random, it appears as though you like to argue just for the sake of arguing, and escalate to rage state almost instantaneously with no real point to make other than to oppose someone else's position!? What's up with that? It's clear you have many personal issues you need to sort through, so I think it best to end this thread and to let you go do that - good luck.
Thank you to the others who provided balanced input and feedback, it is very much appreciated.
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I'm not really sure the criminal code of Canada would apply here tboy.
Lets face it the profession although the oldest in the world isn't exactly legal in Ontario at present. Tgirl Nikki's efforts aside.
And I'll go out on a limb here and say that she isn't paying any taxes based on what she is really doing.
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Clearly peace, providers extend some maturity and common sense when determining who to see and who not to see, and bad behavior comes in all colors & configurations - pink, brown, yellow, red, black, male and female. That said, all colors seem to be consistent in some pattern-based behavior, and I am not surprised anymore when one or more of the negative ones raise their heads during a session, and usually take it in stride. The incidents of severe anger though are few and far between, and also seem confined to one or two cultural backgrounds, which I'm sorry to say is a crystal clear fact, and while never denying service to anyone directly out of pocket, I do exercise significantly more caution when entertaining those clients. It's part of the world we live in, and the industry I work in sadly, and something we all must accept as part of modern society. Do I wish it were different? Yes. But am not optimistic we shall ever return to more carefree times.
Escorting is 100% legal in Ontario, just not incalls. Outcalls are perfectly legal in any sense of the word.
SOrry, I misspoke, it isn't the CCofC it is the Charter of Rights and Freedoms under Chapter 15.
Whether she pays taxes or not is irrelevant in this context.
A discrimination case can be brought against an sp as long as the complaintant can prove:
a) She is in business to provide a service for money
b) she refused to provide this service based on his race (hard to prove but none-the-less illegal under chapter 15)
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So it isn't 100% legal then is it?
And outcalls would entail going to a clients house if I am not mistaken which is rarely done is it not?
Also I don't believe any SP is worried that a client would out themselves by charging them with a Charter of Rights violation and LE wouldn't take it seriously either.
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