That's tboy's role on here, lol. He's challenging your view and you're proving to yourself and others you were correct. It's not a rage though, you're misjudging his emotion.
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That's tboy's role on here, lol. He's challenging your view and you're proving to yourself and others you were correct. It's not a rage though, you're misjudging his emotion.
Well, just like driving a car is 100% legal, you just have limits as to how fast you can go just like escorting is legal, except an escort can't have someone come to them/their home for the service.
Outcalls rarely done? Holy crap man do you read the ads? 99.9% of agencies don't offer incalls and there are a few that only do incalls.......
Annebelle: here we go the old "escorting is not like any other business and you cannot compare it as such" b.s. That's what it is: 100% b.s. You provide a service and accept money for it. End of fricken story. In that sense your business is exactly the same as any other service oriented business. Sure, youre "service" is different but in the same manner as a framer is different than a plumber. BFD.
No, I don't automatically take an opposing view on everything but when someone asks for opinions, and argues when they don't get everything they expect, then sure, I'll defend my viewpoint just like anyone else who defends theirs.
If you want to get down to brass tacks, it was YOU who, instead of addressing the points I made, came after me by commenting on how I posted, not what I posted.
I'll reiterate for you: You came on here asking if it was weird rejecting this guy because of his bent dick and brought up how upset he got when you did.
I pointed out that you have the right to refuse service and then went on to try and explain possibly WHY he got upset. Yet you chose to ignore that and came on to state that "in certain circumstances" you don't care about your client's feelings.
To also recap: you came back with all the comments that guys make that are bad for you yet at no time did you answer my question "did/do they hurt your feelings" because you KNOW that they do, and did and that you rejecting a guy because of his bent dick is exactly the same as those comments. You got your feelings hurt by some of those comments therefore you KNOW you hurt this one's feelings.
Yes, I have issues, just like Peace has issues with hugs, player has issues, CG has issues and you have issues with being an SP. I have a major issue insofar that as a service person ALSO, I care about my customer's feelings, all of them. That's why I go above and beyond what normal contractors do to try and make them happy. Some you just can't please but they are few and far between and I tell you: I would never, in 1000 yrs reject a customer because of their race. EVER. (even though certain races do give me more headaches than others). Why? because it's not RIGHT that's why.......
LOL you're right....and I'm smiling as I type(d) all this hehehehe.....
(but as I said, I tried to explain to her why he felt and reacted the way he did and she chose to ignore that aka her customer's feelings....which speaks volumes)
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How did my name get dragged into this??? :grrrrrr:But at least you are right... I DO have issues!:intello:
Not so bad compared to some of the other people on here though. I actually feel moderately normal on this board!
well, I didn't say you have "more issues than time magazine" lol......and to be normal, means to have issues lol so we're all normal....(least you're not making requests for escorts to put you in a diaper so you can shit yourself and have someone "change" you lol)
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Wow. That's all I can say.
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ohh i didnt know hugging was an issue... how about maurice's issue with guns? Papsmerf with bacon?
Mine is not an issue
Mine is a lifestyle
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ohh i didnt know hugging was an issue... how about maurice's issue with guns? Papsmerf with bacon?
I don't have an issue with guns. It's my constitutional second amendment right.
Don't you have a tree that you can dry hump or something?
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tboy we are not a PUBLIC service, we have the right to refuse ANYONE based on ANY REASON or NONE AT ALL. I can refuse a client just because my vibes tell me so. My body, my choice. End of Story.
You talk to your vibes? do they have different voices? I mean, does the pocket rocket have a high squeeky voice and does your jack rabbit sound like bugs bunny? lol....
I don't know what you mean by "public" service, does that mean you only see family and friends professionally?
Sure, as stated over and over in this thread, you always retain the right to refuse service. But the caveat to that is blow guys off for no reason enough times and you'll soon be out of business. Thankfully places like HUBGFE help us weed out the people that do this.
The thing about not seeing any particular race is the lady should openly state her restrictions on her website or when booking over the phone/email. It is wrong on so many levels to have the guy travel to her incall THEN blow him off...there is not only time and trouble associated with this, but costs as well. We hear all the time about agencies and ladies who have cancellation charges, so why should it be any difference for clients?
I tell you one thing: If I was a man of colour and an sp cancelled on me because of my race, I'm just enough of a shit disturber to file a complaint with the Human Rights Commission.
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k ur a dork, and it shows u lack knowledge, besides when was the last time u put on a skirt & go get stuffed ??
ya my vibes talk to me, in my head i hear these noises & voices that tell me, don't do it, don't bother, leave this one alone.... the times i dont listen i pay, a couple times, almost with my life!!!
it has nothing to do with race, shit can happen with black or white, or fucken yellow, green & damn aliens too
Ok, you're starting to sound like riley now....if it isn't about race, wtf are we talking about???? *scratches his head*
This is a very interesting thread to read. I believe an escort does have the right to refuse service based on race or any other reason that gets in the way of providing good service.
When I spend $250.00 for an hour I am expecting to leave satisfied with the encounter. An SP that knows ahead of time based on my look or affliction for what ever reason, knows she cannot provide me with a good time, she should tell me right away and not take my hard earned money. I can then find another lady to spend an hour with and leave a happy camper.
As hobbyist we have the privilege of choosing based on weight, race, age etc...... We too, I'm sure would have performance issues if we were forced to see a lady not of our choosing. I am aware we are the paying customer but as others have mentioned this is not a product off the shelf, it's a human being that must be very intimate and interactive with us for it to work.
When I spend $250.00 for an hour I am expecting to leave satisfied with the encounter. An SP that knows ahead of time based on my look or affliction for what ever reason, knows she cannot provide me with a good time, she should tell me right away and not take my hard earned money. I can then find another lady to spend an hour with and leave a happy camper.
As hobbyist we have the privilege of choosing based on weight, race, age etc...... We too, I'm sure would have performance issues if we were forced to see a lady not of our choosing. I am aware we are the paying customer but as others have mentioned this is not a product off the shelf, it's a human being that must be very intimate and interactive with us for it to work.
That's true, but it is still a product/service and the lady in question is in business to provide that service. The second you take money for a service, your personal preferences begin to take a back seat. Now I'm not saying any sp should see a client that that will put her life in danger, but isn't the reason guys go to sp's is to avoid the BS that goes with civvies? I mean we hear all the time on the boards about how sp's are only interested in our wallets, I guess that is changing.
As I stated: if an sp has an issue with race, colour, size, shape, appearance or physical deformaties, then she should openly state this during the booking process and on her website. Don't wait until the guy is naked in her place and all turned on before breaking the news to him....
I can see what you are saying but unfortunately in this type of business it happens and some smells and visuals are harder to stomach for some people than others.
Imagine an sp seeing a red spot on a mans penis. I don't believe there would be any chance of her allowing a bbbj and I'm sure none of us would want or expect her too.
I remember as a kid my parents telling me when I go to so and so's house I better eat everything that is put on my plate as to not offend the host. Well let me tell you, one time I was presented with a concoction that would have stopped Andrew Zimmern in his tracks. I left the food on the plate while the entire time I could feel my father's glare on me. I remember avoiding to look up and see the belt strap reflecting off my father's eyes:shock: but I just could stomach to eat it. I'm sure some SP's get this same feeling many of the times. Some can cope with it better than others, but as long as they do not take the money I think they should get a pass.
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Personally...
I would rather be rejected at the start for whatever reason, than to pay and not have a good time and be out my hard earned money.
I would rather be rejected at the start for whatever reason, than to pay and not have a good time and be out my hard earned money.
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Personally, I think we're crossing into the age-old dilemma where many male clients have a false sense of entitlement when it comes to meeting/procuring escort services. Some clients believe that they are entitled to service(s) simply because they are prepared to pay a specified rate. This may be true in many traditional senses, but not IMO in the context of the sex trade simply to due to the nature of the services offered.
Just because you paid $300 does not mean you get to do anything you want. Just because you drove an hour to meet me, does not give you any unilateral right to make any demands of me whatsoever. Just because I have an "available service menu" does not mean it MUST be completely and univerally available to any and every client I meet. There are way too many variables that enter into the equation for that to ever be true.
Example: Just because I offer Greek does not mean Greek will be available to every client, or even some clients, regardless of whether or not you are a repeat client who has shared this activity with me on a previous date. I reserve the right to withhold some services, or all services based on each client, at each individual encounter. That decision is based on how I'm feeling that day, who I may have seen the same day or previous day, who I may be planning to see later post our date, your attitude, behavior, hygiene, timeliness to our session, our chemistry, and MANY other factors that can affect our time together. It's just the way it is, sorry. Escorting is not an exact science, and some sessions are easier to carry off than others. We as women in the industry do do our best to be accomodating, but there are limits, for which we typically do not apologize. You should just accept that tboy.
In my case, the gentleman in question presented in quasi-acceptable form (as I mentioned - he was kind of creepy from the outset) and I was willing to complete the session until he actually disrobed and his affliction? became obvious for the first time. Given my fear of physical injury, and the fact I did not trust this gentleman sufficiently given his reactions, to consider any alternate FS scenarios, so I opted out of FS altogether, but still offered a number of other services to attempt to meet his needs, which I felt was reasonable all things considered. His reaction, verging on violent, is, FTR what I found weird. Totally unacceptable in my view, and clearly was not an enticing prelude to intimacy. This cannot be the first time he has been refused intercourse for that particular reason. He did not disclose his condition? prior to the session, so must have been able to anticipate my reaction/reticence. Why come completely unglued, make threats, make disgusting and demeaning comments? Was that going to change my mind!? Not likely.
At the end of the day, I will see who I want based on my own preferences, comfort levels, sexual interests and attractions. End of story. I never turn anyone away solely based on race, color, or creed, but given empirical evidence and previous personal experiences, I am much more wary of clients of some specific cultural backgrounds in order to protect myself and ensure a positive session is enjoyed by all. In my view, the clients are not entitled to anything, and I am not obligated to provide anything, beyond my time, with everything and anything else being a game time decision.
I just find it weird that some clients can become so very aggressive, almost to the point of violence and still believe that intimacy will remain even a remote possibility. But then, reading some comments in this thread, clearly some men have a very skewed opinion of women and the escort industry in general.
Just because you paid $300 does not mean you get to do anything you want. Just because you drove an hour to meet me, does not give you any unilateral right to make any demands of me whatsoever. Just because I have an "available service menu" does not mean it MUST be completely and univerally available to any and every client I meet. There are way too many variables that enter into the equation for that to ever be true.
Example: Just because I offer Greek does not mean Greek will be available to every client, or even some clients, regardless of whether or not you are a repeat client who has shared this activity with me on a previous date. I reserve the right to withhold some services, or all services based on each client, at each individual encounter. That decision is based on how I'm feeling that day, who I may have seen the same day or previous day, who I may be planning to see later post our date, your attitude, behavior, hygiene, timeliness to our session, our chemistry, and MANY other factors that can affect our time together. It's just the way it is, sorry. Escorting is not an exact science, and some sessions are easier to carry off than others. We as women in the industry do do our best to be accomodating, but there are limits, for which we typically do not apologize. You should just accept that tboy.
In my case, the gentleman in question presented in quasi-acceptable form (as I mentioned - he was kind of creepy from the outset) and I was willing to complete the session until he actually disrobed and his affliction? became obvious for the first time. Given my fear of physical injury, and the fact I did not trust this gentleman sufficiently given his reactions, to consider any alternate FS scenarios, so I opted out of FS altogether, but still offered a number of other services to attempt to meet his needs, which I felt was reasonable all things considered. His reaction, verging on violent, is, FTR what I found weird. Totally unacceptable in my view, and clearly was not an enticing prelude to intimacy. This cannot be the first time he has been refused intercourse for that particular reason. He did not disclose his condition? prior to the session, so must have been able to anticipate my reaction/reticence. Why come completely unglued, make threats, make disgusting and demeaning comments? Was that going to change my mind!? Not likely.
At the end of the day, I will see who I want based on my own preferences, comfort levels, sexual interests and attractions. End of story. I never turn anyone away solely based on race, color, or creed, but given empirical evidence and previous personal experiences, I am much more wary of clients of some specific cultural backgrounds in order to protect myself and ensure a positive session is enjoyed by all. In my view, the clients are not entitled to anything, and I am not obligated to provide anything, beyond my time, with everything and anything else being a game time decision.
I just find it weird that some clients can become so very aggressive, almost to the point of violence and still believe that intimacy will remain even a remote possibility. But then, reading some comments in this thread, clearly some men have a very skewed opinion of women and the escort industry in general.
Nothing you wrote there annabelle was ever in dispute by me or anyone else.
Wherein lies the rub is this line:
...sexual interests and attractions.
The session is NOT about your sexual interests, it is about the customer's. It isn't about whether or not you find a customer attractive or not. What is this anyways, I'm not paying to make YOU happy, I'm paying you to make ME happy.
What's next, I have to drive a certain type of car, wear the right designer clothes, have the right job? This isn't eharmony.........or POF for that matter. I'm paying you so I can have sex with you. Your interests, your sexual preferences, whether or not you find me attractive is 100% irrelevant in the sense of whether or not I should be allowed to have sex with you. Hell, what am I paying for? If I wanted to be judged like this I'd go pick up a woman (or try to anyways lol) in a bar....and maybe get off for free...
Is it just me or did I miss the part where I am supposed to pay so that her interests are fulfilled? Sorry, I always thought it was the other way around.....
As for never turning away solely based on race.......this contradicts (in a way) what you said earlier:
"My personal sense at this point, having thoughts about it quite a bit, is that I do in fact have the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason I see fit. That inclused race, color, creed, ethnicity, political affiliation, or religious affiliation"
I will repeat: an sp reserves the right to refuse service to someone based on reasonable causes. The key word there is reasonable. Just like a customer cannot refuse to pay for services received based on reasonable causes. For example: a customer can't say "I'm not paying you because it wasn't the best blow job I've had"....just like an escort can't say "I'm not servicing you because I don't find you attractive" (because she is in effect saying that is cause enough) or she cannot stop a session because the customer isn't getting her off........
Once again, if an sp has restrictions, then she should put them in plain english on her website or discuss them prior to booking the session.
Wherein lies the rub is this line:
...sexual interests and attractions.
The session is NOT about your sexual interests, it is about the customer's. It isn't about whether or not you find a customer attractive or not. What is this anyways, I'm not paying to make YOU happy, I'm paying you to make ME happy.
What's next, I have to drive a certain type of car, wear the right designer clothes, have the right job? This isn't eharmony.........or POF for that matter. I'm paying you so I can have sex with you. Your interests, your sexual preferences, whether or not you find me attractive is 100% irrelevant in the sense of whether or not I should be allowed to have sex with you. Hell, what am I paying for? If I wanted to be judged like this I'd go pick up a woman (or try to anyways lol) in a bar....and maybe get off for free...
Is it just me or did I miss the part where I am supposed to pay so that her interests are fulfilled? Sorry, I always thought it was the other way around.....
As for never turning away solely based on race.......this contradicts (in a way) what you said earlier:
"My personal sense at this point, having thoughts about it quite a bit, is that I do in fact have the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason I see fit. That inclused race, color, creed, ethnicity, political affiliation, or religious affiliation"
I will repeat: an sp reserves the right to refuse service to someone based on reasonable causes. The key word there is reasonable. Just like a customer cannot refuse to pay for services received based on reasonable causes. For example: a customer can't say "I'm not paying you because it wasn't the best blow job I've had"....just like an escort can't say "I'm not servicing you because I don't find you attractive" (because she is in effect saying that is cause enough) or she cannot stop a session because the customer isn't getting her off........
Once again, if an sp has restrictions, then she should put them in plain english on her website or discuss them prior to booking the session.
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