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Prim0 said:It's interesting that even the hate groups on the opposite end of the spectrum (Neo-Nazis, Skin-heads, KKK, etc.) never go so far as making similar plots to attack a mosque or specifically target Muslims. That should put in some kind of perspective how bad Muslim Extremists are.
Well, you were the one saying that we (western civilization) don't do these sort of things, but obviously we do. And let's face it, what's happening on a daily basis is not happening here, it's happening in the middle east. We sometimes get attacked once every few years, but that's not daily. I suspect that there are far more deaths from shooting rampages in the US than from middle-eastern terrorists. But the majority of the damage inflicted is being done to other middle-easterners, and other muslims.Prim0 said:So one religiously motivated attack in Wisconsin compares to the number of continued attacks by muslims around the world on a nearly daily basis? There are always exceptions but the general trend is that even the worst american hate groups don't seem to do nearly the actual physical damage that muslim groups do.
I'd put the US military (and allies) as one of the "groups". And they are trying to take out other groups. Just because they have official state sanctioning doesn't make it any more legitimate.I'm not trying to justify any attacks...I just noticed that even the worst of our groups don't seem to be as "out there" actually trying to take out other groups.
The reason probably is because the US is still basically a secular society, with a strong theocratic minority. Some muslim countries are theocracies, with varying levels of minority secularism. The only reason the US doesn't go the same route as these countries is because theocrats haven't taken over yet in the US. The theocrats are trying to take over the US (and to a lesser extent Canada, if we keep Harper around much longer), and if they ever take over, expect the same kind of violence from them.Prim0 said:I just don't get you. My point was about the hate groups that we have here in the US. I don't deny they exist. But by comparison to muslim terrorists all over the world, our haters don't go around killing people very often.
Isn't it ironic that over 200 years earlier, you probably heard the British probably complained about the same thing: "At least our soldiers have the decency to wear the red coats. These guys on the other hand look like farmers and blacksmiths." But that was during the American Revolution.Our soldiers have the decency to wear uniforms and put themselves in the line of fire to fight those who would attack them. They aren't out there in civilian garb, hiding out in civilian locations and hiding behind civilians while targeting civilians.
blackram said:The reason probably is because the US is still basically a secular society, with a strong theocratic minority. Some muslim countries are theocracies, with varying levels of minority secularism. The only reason the US doesn't go the same route as these countries is because theocrats haven't taken over yet in the US. The theocrats are trying to take over the US (and to a lesser extent Canada, if we keep Harper around much longer), and if they ever take over, expect the same kind of violence from them.
You can see the effects of this already, as the theocrats get more and more powerful in the US -- the language and opinions being expressed by politicians now were unthinkable even just 30 years ago. Having a strong secular society is what keeps the society from going nuts.
Isn't it ironic that over 200 years earlier, you probably heard the British probably complained about the same thing: "At least our soldiers have the decency to wear the red coats. These guys on the other hand look like farmers and blacksmiths." But that was during the American Revolution.
papasmerf said:I will not bow to the oppressors............I am an an American and support women having rights and not being killed for being raped or loving a Christian....................I ask no forgiveness for believing Jews are people too. And Christians can be free.
I offer no apologies for talking about Christ nor any for not condemning those who do not.
I offer no request for forgiveness for not hating you because you are not me...................If I offend you go fuck yourself.