Bullies will get caught.

[jumpingjackflash]

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I think the anti-bullying laws should be based on "tit for tat".

ie: if you lay your hands on another kid? Someone lays their hands on you.
If you strike another kid? someone strikes you harder.
If you punch another kid? You get a "head or gut" a la Last Boyscout (if you wronged him he'd walk up to you and say "head or gut" and then punch you there.....
If you injure another kid? You get the same (if you push a kid off the swing and he breaks his arm, yours gets broken)

Tit for tat, an eye for an eye.... interesting concept.

 

[Auggie]

Even after reading about Rob Ford's bullying of a high school student he still got elected.
Nice role models we choose. :wacko:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/to...me-as-a-football-coach-at-toronto-high-school

 

[tboy]

Even after reading about Rob Ford's bullying of a high school student he still got elected.
Nice role models we choose. :wacko:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/to...me-as-a-football-coach-at-toronto-high-school

wait, you're comparing a football coach to a peer to peer bully?

Next thing you're going to tell me is that drill sargents ought to use please and thank you when training marines....what's next? Police issue pink whistles instead of guns?

Sorry, but coaches yell at their player(s) in EVERY sport....

 

[Auggie]

It was more than yelling.
There were several physical confrontations mentioned in the story, he denied it but we know how much of a liar he is.

Not surprised to see you defend a bully.

 

[tboy]

It was more than yelling.
There were several physical confrontations mentioned in the story, he denied it but we know how much of a liar he is.

Not surprised to see you defend a bully.

Not surprised to see you condemn someone based on heresay reported via an unreliable source. Did you miss the part where a witness said there wasn't any physical contact?

Here's a conclusion, jump to it!

And people say MY analogies are whacked? Comparing a kid bullying another kid to a football coach is ludicrous at best. It is a given that if you enter into any type of sports, if you don't give 110% you're going to get reamed.

Next thing you know Auggie will want non-contact NFL games too!

 

[Auggie]

There you go jumping to conclusions, I never said I was against contact sports.

We have several instances of your hero lying when questioned, his libel suit against the Star mysteriously disappeared, there were witnesses to physical attacks.
Why is it okay for you to judge what happened based on heresay and then you get bent out of shape when I form an opinion on the same article?

 

[-b]

Expelling a student is putting them on the street to cause more trouble........
Educated the parents and student....Some of these children come from other
countries that bullying is ok.........

Some Parents still feel that bullying is ok.....they grew up with it....so why not.....

By the time these children hit high school, they can understand that it is wrong
but them to working in the school instead of expelling......get them to help in the Daycare Centers,
Old Age Homes......etc.....

Kicking them out will not work..........

 

[Dan]

Expelling a student is putting them on the street to cause more trouble........
Educated the parents and student....Some of these children come from other
countries that bullying is ok.........

Some Parents still feel that bullying is ok.....they grew up with it....so why not.....

By the time these children hit high school, they can understand that it is wrong
but them to working in the school instead of expelling......get them to help in the Daycare Centers,
Old Age Homes......etc.....

Kicking them out will not work..........

Well said Bliss and I agree with your Daycare and old age home help. I think it may teach them some compassion.

 

[a 1 player]

Put a bully in a daycare or an old age home where there are weak and innocent???? I think the fuck NOT!!!!

 

[-b]

Put a bully in a daycare or an old age home where there are weak and innocent???? I think the fuck NOT!!!!

They are human too.....They found when introduce a real Baby to a class of K-12 it help them understand feelings......become sensitive to others....

Bullies have been bullied themselves.....Kids all go through it, even some adults, texts, facebook...etc.... There is a need to teach kindness and love........What will happen when they are on the street, no education....what do you think they will be up too........

It not a simple answer....but I would rather them in school learning about caring and responsibility .....than on the streets with no education.....into drugs....etc.....

 

[a 1 player]

and I would rather them not be giving care to MY child or aging mother with Alzheimers. If you think that they are responsible and tolerant enough for that kind of responsibility, all the power to you for hiring one and letting them look after your family.

 

[tboy]

and I would rather them not be giving care to MY child or aging mother with Alzheimers. If you think that they are responsible and tolerant enough for that kind of responsibility, all the power to you for hiring one and letting them look after your family.

+100 In fact, I say let's find a couple and send them over to Bliss's place and let them have at it......

I hate to break it to bliss, but most bullies end up on the street anyways so why should other kids suffer?

I remember back in the good old strap days there was also reform school. In my district we had a school that was made up of kids who were thrown out or flunked out of all the other schools in the area. You go to school there and EVERYONE knew you were a loser.

Not to start yet another flame war but I bet Bliss also thinks that she can solve the muslim extremist issue with love and compassion too.

 

[-b]

+100 In fact, I say let's find a couple and send them over to Bliss's place and let them have at it......

I hate to break it to bliss, but most bullies end up on the street anyways so why should other kids suffer?

I remember back in the good old strap days there was also reform school. In my district we had a school that was made up of kids who were thrown out or flunked out of all the other schools in the area. You go to school there and EVERYONE knew you were a loser.

Not to start yet another flame war but I bet Bliss also thinks that she can solve the muslim extremist issue with love and compassion too.

Guess you are a follower of Pastor Pearl Book....

Bullies come in all form....Yes I do believe CHILDREN should have every opportunity to grow. Every child has been a bully at one time or another......
Violence begets Violence.....
Put these kids on the street then what...instead of them learning, etc...they will be having issues with the law....then it is our money that is keeping them in jail or paying for welfare for them or supporting their kids etc....

For me I would rather trying to stop the problem before it becomes a larger issue....

 

[a 1 player]

For me I would rather trying to stop the problem before it becomes a larger issue....

This I agree with, but not in the manner you had earlier suggested.

 

[Transient]

and I would rather them not be giving care to MY child or aging mother with Alzheimers. If you think that they are responsible and tolerant enough for that kind of responsibility, all the power to you for hiring one and letting them look after your family.

Any facility participating in rehabilitating a bully in this manner, would not give them total unsupervised time taking care of people. It would be part of a supervised structured program. Taking someone out of their element and teaching them responsibility is a powerful personality changer. But if you believe change can only be effected through confrontation, well, there we differ. Trying to teach a bully through domination, is just setting the example that it is ok to bully, as long as you're the stronger.

 

[a 1 player]

Any facility participating in rehabilitating a bully in this manner, would not give them total unsupervised time taking care of people. It would be part of a supervised structured program. Taking someone out of their element and teaching them responsibility is a powerful personality changer. But if you believe change can only be effected through confrontation, well, there we differ. Trying to teach a bully through domination, is just setting the example that it is ok to bully, as long as you're the stronger.

I see your point. A school and a child's home are supposed to be safe and supervised places as well. It is easy enough to trip a toddler in a split second while someones back is turned, forcefully put someone's clothing on, or say things quietly enough that no one will hear. I just don't like the idea unless someone babysits the bully 100% of the time, and that is not going to happen.

 

[tboy]

Guess you are a follower of Pastor Pearl Book....

.... Every child has been a bully at one time or another......

You know, every once in a while you make a statement that is so utterly ludicrous that defies all sense of intelligence.

That's like saying "everyone is a racist"........

I do agree with "violence begets violence" however, hence why I say "make the penalty suit the crime". If a bully hits another kid? Hit him...HARD. You don't teach a kid right from wrong by coddling the offender. That's the problem in society today. Too many criminals know that if they get caught doing a crime, more than likely they'll get off with a slap in the wrist.

Now prison isn't a picnic, but there was a time when if you committed a serious enough crime, you were put to hard labour.....you didn't get a private cell, with internet and colour TV like Paul Bernardo.

 

[tboy]

Any facility participating in rehabilitating a bully in this manner, would not give them total unsupervised time taking care of people. It would be part of a supervised structured program. Taking someone out of their element and teaching them responsibility is a powerful personality changer. But if you believe change can only be effected through confrontation, well, there we differ. Trying to teach a bully through domination, is just setting the example that it is ok to bully, as long as you're the stronger.

The thing I think you miss is the fact that THE LAW and society is in fact stronger (or should be) that you. It is what keeps the wolves at bay. I mean, think about it: society has politicians that make laws that govern the way we are supposed to treat each other. Break those laws and you're supposed to be punished (not coddled) for it.

Yes, our parents taught us that stealing is wrong. If our parents didn't do that, it is the law that is going to have to take over. If a person commits a violent crime against another child, they need to learn that causing someone physical pain has ramifications. I think suspension is useless, all that does is give them a vacation ie: a reward for their actions.

As for supervised care in various institutions. Hell, employees commit atrocities to the infirm as it is, so even they aren't supervised that well. Now if you want to have them work there, have them cleaning bedpans, mopping the floor, etc. Do NOT put them in a position to be in contact with those that are (as player said) in a weakened state. That just teaches them that there are always more victims if you look for them.

I tell you, it's not on anymore but the scared straight program works and believe me, the inmates taking part in the program do NOT coddle the kids.

(and yes, no matter what, there are always stronger, meaner, badder people out there. Teaching a kid that at an early age will make them realize that maybe the next kid he bullies, will be one of those......) The thing that is prevalent now? Handguns. Those are the big equalizer.

I will tell you this: the two bullies that made my grade 7 and 8 a living hell? Wouldn't be alive today if I had access to a gun. The cops didn't do anything, the school didn't do anything constructive. When the cops were contacted, they investigated, sure, the two came from a troubled home. BFD. They should have been a) expelled and b) arrested if they came anywhere near me but the school and the police took Bliss's stance and said "they deserve understanding blah blah blah. So instead of MY rights to a safe and happy school being protected, THEIR right to make my life hell was protected.......

 

[-b]

You do realize that nursing homes etc have issues with staff......being like that.....
They are bullies everywhere even ADULTS in the work place.....on line....facebook etc....

They already do have programs like this, in places....it not like I just thought it up..... :rofl!:
With the nursing homes, they find that the teenagers meet older people they enjoy being with, they start to care for the older people and the older people become positive figures in their lives......

 

[-b]

tboy.....you never bully...right....
So shit happens to people all the time......get over it, you are not in grade 7 or 8.
I was bullied too so what.......We should take what we learn and help others...that is
why they are trying to stop Bullying...It has been going on for years now...because Parents
like Us has said enough....

So you would rather pay for the in jail...well how did they get there? You rather they be on welfare and pay for them tboy......by all means you go to Ford and tell him that you will pay for these kids jail time etc...because I would rather be pro active than sit back and say put them away.....