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the fear/hate cycle that you speak of...

Know what a determent is? It is an action or consequence of one's actions......without any sort of determent, there will never be an end. Know what stops other countries from simply invading the US? The fact that they have the power, the resources, and the will to defend themselves and retaliate if attacked.

Same goes for bullies...if there are no consequences for their actions, then what's to stop them? I'll answer for you: nothing.

Now we can get into the level of crime/punishment in our society, where many criminals, who do far worse than bullying a teen girl, get off basically scott free and where jail time isn't a thing to be feared (by many). Therein lies the rub: even if these bullies are caught, they know that not a thing will happen to them.

Now if every bully knew that if caught, they would face: the strap, a beating, being anally raped, tied up naked in front of the school while the entire student body threw dog turds at them.....even the really stupid would stop and think for a second before acting.......

Now I'm sure you understand this, but what's to stop you (personally) from walking into any bank and simply taking all the cash? Well, for one, I'm sure the thought of being sent to prison stops you.....but if there were zero consequences?I bet you 9 out of 10 honest law abiding citizens would say, hell yeah, I could use an extra 100K.......
 
tboy said:
the fear/hate cycle that you speak of...

Know what a determent is? It is an action or consequence of one's actions......without any sort of determent, there will never be an end. Know what stops other countries from simply invading the US? The fact that they have the power, the resources, and the will to defend themselves and retaliate if attacked.

Same goes for bullies...if there are no consequences for their actions, then what's to stop them? I'll answer for you: nothing.

Now we can get into the level of crime/punishment in our society, where many criminals, who do far worse than bullying a teen girl, get off basically scott free and where jail time isn't a thing to be feared (by many). Therein lies the rub: even if these bullies are caught, they know that not a thing will happen to them.

Now if every bully knew that if caught, they would face: the strap, a beating, being anally raped, tied up naked in front of the school while the entire student body threw dog turds at them.....even the really stupid would stop and think for a second before acting.......

Now I'm sure you understand this, but what's to stop you (personally) from walking into any bank and simply taking all the cash? Well, for one, I'm sure the thought of being sent to prison stops you.....but if there were zero consequences?I bet you 9 out of 10 honest law abiding citizens would say, hell yeah, I could use an extra 100K..
.....

Did you know that most bank robbers are caught only after their second or third bank??
Once a pattern develops they become easier to find.
 
papasmerf said:
Did you know that most bank robbers are caught only after their second or third bank??
Once a pattern develops they become easier to find.

I think you missed my point....which was: if there wasn't a law that said taking a bank's money was wrong, and there weren't any consequences if you do, how many would walk into a bank and take all the money?

To use your post, no robber would be caught, or even pursued if they hadn't broken any law.......
 
tboy said:
I think you missed my point....which was: if there wasn't a law that said taking a bank's money was wrong, and there weren't any consequences if you do, how many would walk into a bank and take all the money?

To use your post, no robber would be caught, or even pursued if they hadn't broken any law.......

no robbery would have occurred.
 
Depression and being young with hormones flying is a problem. The fact is bullying has been going on for years except now with social media the victim can be attacked in their own home via the internet. The torment doesn't stop and the victim feels death is a better choice than putting up with the torment. If I suspected my child was being bullied first thing I would do is cut the internet at home, then deal with the bullies although I know I'd probably end up charged myself.
 
" then deal with the bullies although I know I'd probably end up charged myself."

me too, but at least my kid would be safe right? After all, isn't this what one major responsibility of being a parent is?
 
New Study On Bullying

New Study On Bullying

A significant study from Duke, out today, provides the best evidence we’ve had thus far that bullying in childhood is linked to a higher risk of psychological disorders in adulthood. The results came as a surprise to the research team. “I was a skeptic going into this,” lead author and Duke psychiatry professor William E. Copeland told me over the phone, about the claim that bullying does measurable long-term psychological harm. “To be honest, I was completely surprised by the strength of the findings. It has certainly given me pause. This is something that stays with people.”

I’m less surprised, because as I explain in my new book about bullying, , earlier research has shown that bullying increases the risk for many problems, including low academic performance in school and depression (for both bullies and victims) and criminal activity later in life (bullies). But the Duke study is important because it lasted for 20 years and followed 1,270 North Carolina children into adulthood. Beginning at the ages of 9, 11, and 13, the kids were interviewed annually until the age of 16, along with their parents, and then multiple times over the years following.

Based on the findings, Copeland and his team divided their subjects into three groups: People who were victims as children, people who were bullies, and people who were both. The third group is known as bully-victims. These are the people who tend to have the most serious psychological problems as kids, and in the Duke study, they also showed up with higher levels of anxiety, depressive disorders, and suicidal thinking as adults. The people who had only experienced being victims were also at heightened risk for depression and anxiety. And the bullies were more likely to have an antisocial personality disorder.

The researchers also checked to see if the variation among the groups could be attributed to differences in socio-economic status, or family dysfunction/instability, or maltreatment (which they defined as physical or sexual abuse). All three groups—the victims, the bullies, and the bully-victims—had higher rates of some type of family hardship than the kids who didn’t experience bullying at all. For the victims, the risk of anxiety disorders remained strong even when taking into account family problems, though the risk of depression did not (it dropped just below statistical significance if the victims came from a stable home, Copeland said). For bully-victims, the risk of both anxiety and depression held, and for bullies, the risk of antisocial personality disorder did as well. In other words, these results suggest that bullying scars people whether they grow up in a home with two functional parents or with frequent arguing, not much parental supervision, divorce, separation, or downright abuse or neglect. It’s a finding that’s in line with other work, for example by Judith Rich Harris, who in her book , shows that kids are very much influenced and affected by their peers.

Why does bullying have such far-reaching impact? Copeland and his team suggest the experience may change kids’ physiological response to stress, and their ability to cope. This looked especially stark for the bully-victims. “It was definitely the case that chronic bullying led to worse outcomes, but much more the case that being a bully-victim was associated with really significant problems,” Copeland said. The biggest cry for help is coming from that group. Fortunately, it’s a smaller number than victims overall.” Bully-victims, Copeland and others have found, have more problems at home and the most trouble with impulse control and aggression. Sometimes they do the dirty work for popular kids who bully to curry favor with them. “I don’t think things are working out socially for them in a lot of ways,” Copeland said.

It’s important to point out that Copeland and other researchers don’t define bullying broadly, in a way that encompasses a lot of mutual conflict among kids, or one-time fighting. Bullying is physical or verbal harassment that takes place repeatedly and involves a power imbalance—one kid, or group of kids, making another kid miserable by lording power over him. As Dan Olweus, the Scandinavian psychologist who launched the field of bullying studies in the 1960s, has been arguing for many years, this is a particular form of harmful aggression. And so the effort to prevent bullying isn’t about pretending that kids will always be nice to each other, or that they don’t have to learn to weather some adversity.

If the results of this study are dismaying because they indicate that bullying is permanently scarring, the findings also strengthen the argument for prevention. Copeland underscores this idea. “Consider me a reluctant convert, but I’m starting to view bullying the same way I do abuse in the home,” he said. “I honestly think the effects we’re observing here are just as potent. And that’s definitely not the way American researchers look at things. They want to know all about what parents are doing at home. Peers aren’t considered a priority. But these days, with all the time they spend on the Internet, kids are spending even more time with their peers, and that’s a factor we need to pay more attention to.”
 
Which Group do you fall under?

I was bullied.....I jump in when others are....
 
I had a big brother throughout High school. No one bothered me. But have seen Bullies pick on the weak. Now the cyber bullies are more dangerous and hard to trace.
 
I was bullied for a few years then grew bigger than the bums. Guess what I did to them later on.
 
I was quite popular in high-school (unlike the loser I am now) and protected some of the more vulnerable kids - particularly one with autism. Years later, one girl actually thanked me because she said school was really rough for her but I always treated her like an actual person. But I can't feel happy in my righteousness because there was one kid who was not unpopular but really clung to me and I actively excluded him because I found him a bit annoying. He later went on to become college roommates with my brother who pointed out that I'd really treated him like shit. I see him about once every couple of years now and he's an incredibly kind and interesting guy. I've often considered apologizing but think it would embarrass him and all it would really do is ease my conscience.

This video about the effects of bullying has been everywhere lately:

 
:good: This was hard for me to watch.......You never get over it ....
Parents who are teaching their children not to Bully ...may go to work and Bully
themselves or be bullied.......

The Internet....we are so busy catching the Children who are bullying the others...
When the real ones,the Adults are doing it and the children are reading it......
The Adults who come on line to cause malice, hatred, pain, hurt, for no other
reasons then to make themselves feel like their in control of their lives, that
they need to feel power, to sling mean hateful thoughts and try to demoralize
an individual......People who can not see how their need of wanting to control,
be all so powerful and hateful can cause issues....We are to understand these people
as they are throwing their words of hate around....Well it about time that we stand up to
these Adults....Time to say Enough....Time to show our children, all our children that, we Adults
are learning the Lessons too.....I was bullied, I have a voice, I use it...I use it here and other places..
I am not scared of what they can do to me.....I am more scare of what I do to me.....They are hoping that
we are scared....scared to speak out because then like a pack they bombard you with name calling, etc...These Adults.....

So if you want your children to learn not to bully then the Adults need to use their Voices when they are out in Public, on line,,,,where ever and say enough....Enough....Because you walk pass it with your child...what do you think your child is learning.......When they come up behind you when you are on line...and people are saying hateful thinks to you what do you think your child is thinking....

The internet is very funny place....People can pretend to be who ever they want to be....Pretend...because they can never be that person.....They are so busy pretending to be what they are not, finding people they know who have followed their dreams, made something of themselves and the bullies love being malice and spiteful to these people.....There are those who say this is me, I am not scare to be me...even when they are standing up to bullying..some run because they get upset, others join in Bulling but a few well speak up, we are Adults Now....but the Bullies hide behind their computers now......

I am sorry.....but to help our children we need to look at ourselves....we need to see what we do to understand Bullying...We can not change the youth without changing the Adult....
 
Transient said:
Sounds like it made an impression on the daughter. Clever solution.

She did bully a second girl after the first warning.

Just saying.
 
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