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Careful about calling any of these suicides copy cat in nature! They are not copy cat acts, these young people feel completely worthless with nowhere to turn because they believe if they tell, nothing will be done and it probably gets worse.
In these last two incidents both girls made huge errors by having sex and/or sending photos via social media.
School boards can bring in all the grief counsellors they want, it won't bring the deceased back! Nor will it stop the next young person from attempting or completing suicide.
With all the social media today, all it takes is the press of a button to ruin someone. Teenage girls are incredibly aggressive with what they will do to get revenge or bully other girls. But hey, this has been going on forever and it will not stop!
In these last two incidents both girls made huge errors by having sex and/or sending photos via social media.
School boards can bring in all the grief counsellors they want, it won't bring the deceased back! Nor will it stop the next young person from attempting or completing suicide.
With all the social media today, all it takes is the press of a button to ruin someone. Teenage girls are incredibly aggressive with what they will do to get revenge or bully other girls. But hey, this has been going on forever and it will not stop!
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Papa,
I know that you intended no malice whatsoever.
23 years I've worked in corrections (all within maximum secure facilities), worked with men, women, young offenders and mentally ill and I've seen them bullied into many situations, sadly 3x I've been directly involved with suicide attempts or actual suicides. There is always the superficial suicidal ideation for many inmates because of their situations. These are society's bad people and/or troubled and unstable but they've been bullied at some point in their lives.
I grew up with three guys that suicided and sadly one of them took 3 other teens with him over a cliff. Another hung himself when the hospital called and said his dad had taken a turn for the worst-his dad lived 11 more years. The other was beaten to a pulp by bullies, so bad that he took his life to avoid the beatings.
My best friend's daughter has attempted suicide several times because of other teens bullying her through social media.
It saddens me because I know that it will never stop.
I know that you intended no malice whatsoever.
23 years I've worked in corrections (all within maximum secure facilities), worked with men, women, young offenders and mentally ill and I've seen them bullied into many situations, sadly 3x I've been directly involved with suicide attempts or actual suicides. There is always the superficial suicidal ideation for many inmates because of their situations. These are society's bad people and/or troubled and unstable but they've been bullied at some point in their lives.
I grew up with three guys that suicided and sadly one of them took 3 other teens with him over a cliff. Another hung himself when the hospital called and said his dad had taken a turn for the worst-his dad lived 11 more years. The other was beaten to a pulp by bullies, so bad that he took his life to avoid the beatings.
My best friend's daughter has attempted suicide several times because of other teens bullying her through social media.
It saddens me because I know that it will never stop.
Sorry Hof, the "it can't be stopped" is a cop out.....everything can be stopped, people just have to have the desire to do so...I have to wonder what feel good BS was said during the mediation, I bet it went something like "the football player saying he didn't do nothin'" and the girl saying "you did _____ and you posted ____ and you posted _____"?
Did you>?
No, I did nothin'...
Ok then, that's settled.....
What has to be done is IF there were actual posts by those who did have sex with her, these kids, whether they are 15 or 55 should be flogged, publicly. If it saves ONE kid from being bullied, then it was worth it.
Least of all they should be kicked off the football team, and spend the next 3 yrs of high school in detention.
I can totally understand how these girls must feel....kind of like "dying of embarassment" type of thing. Now this girl seemed to have a whole bunch of issues already, but that doesn't excuse the bully's actions.....they are responsible for another person's death and should wear that stigma for the rest of their lives....meaning: no good job, no college, no university, no future since the girl has no future now.
I say the time of coddling the young has to be over.......
Did you>?
No, I did nothin'...
Ok then, that's settled.....
What has to be done is IF there were actual posts by those who did have sex with her, these kids, whether they are 15 or 55 should be flogged, publicly. If it saves ONE kid from being bullied, then it was worth it.
Least of all they should be kicked off the football team, and spend the next 3 yrs of high school in detention.
I can totally understand how these girls must feel....kind of like "dying of embarassment" type of thing. Now this girl seemed to have a whole bunch of issues already, but that doesn't excuse the bully's actions.....they are responsible for another person's death and should wear that stigma for the rest of their lives....meaning: no good job, no college, no university, no future since the girl has no future now.
I say the time of coddling the young has to be over.......
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''Even before her suicide, Felicia’s life was marked by tragedy, the sources said. She was living with a foster family and a chronic runaway who had been reported missing seven times, they said.''
She had some major problems before this happened.
I don't think this would have broken a normal teenage girl but given her past she was most likely just vulnerable enough to let this get to her.
Today's social media gives these trouble makers a whole new platform to prey on the weak I'm afraid.
She had some major problems before this happened.
I don't think this would have broken a normal teenage girl but given her past she was most likely just vulnerable enough to let this get to her.
Today's social media gives these trouble makers a whole new platform to prey on the weak I'm afraid.
Sure blame it on the bully. Dang if that was the case I woulda killed myself a thousand times! You gotta be strong, you gotta be tough, you gotta live it out. The pain is what makes you stronger. This is not meant be cold-hearted, teenage suicide always been around, just you hear it more now on the internet.
What's cold-hearted about this; that this girl flung herself over a bridge into an on-coming train infront of her friend. That's horrific.
What's cold-hearted about this; that this girl flung herself over a bridge into an on-coming train infront of her friend. That's horrific.
^^^ one of the most uncaring, idiotic posts that's ever been posted on here.......
One thing you were right about: the internet....that just gives the bullies more oppurtunities to practice their craft......something someone as intelligent as you (or so you say) should realize.....
What was she supposed to do about her friend being there? Say to her "umm could you bugger off? I'm going to kill myself and don't want you around? get real....
Yeah, bullying has been around for a long time, and yes, teen suicide has been around for a long time....so according to you, we should let it continue and do nothing about it?
I bet you're also for dumping toxic waste into our drinking water, using fossil fuels like there's an unlimited supply and clear cutting all our forests to make room for urban sprawl.......oh wait, we realized that wasn't a good thing to be doing so we stopped.....
One thing you were right about: the internet....that just gives the bullies more oppurtunities to practice their craft......something someone as intelligent as you (or so you say) should realize.....
What was she supposed to do about her friend being there? Say to her "umm could you bugger off? I'm going to kill myself and don't want you around? get real....
Yeah, bullying has been around for a long time, and yes, teen suicide has been around for a long time....so according to you, we should let it continue and do nothing about it?
I bet you're also for dumping toxic waste into our drinking water, using fossil fuels like there's an unlimited supply and clear cutting all our forests to make room for urban sprawl.......oh wait, we realized that wasn't a good thing to be doing so we stopped.....
Honeybee does have a point. A person who commits suicide is prone to doing so. It's never one event but many that bring it on. Depression plays a big role. I have a very good friend who's husband recently committed suicide and everyone was shocked and in disbelief.
They came home to find him hanging in the basement. He did suffer anxiety attacks and bouts of depression but no one ever expected him to kill himself at the age of 28, not even his therapist.
A person with suicidal tendencies will use a traumatic experience in their lives at one point and lets face it, we all have events in our lives that try our patience but most of us deal with it.
They came home to find him hanging in the basement. He did suffer anxiety attacks and bouts of depression but no one ever expected him to kill himself at the age of 28, not even his therapist.
A person with suicidal tendencies will use a traumatic experience in their lives at one point and lets face it, we all have events in our lives that try our patience but most of us deal with it.
A person who is prone to suicide doesn't excuse the catalyst from responsibility....so you're saying that if someone is prone to depression or suicide, or has poor coping skills, and you cause them to take their life, you get a free pass?
Or are you saying that those among us who are more sensitive to attack than others, those attackers should just have at it? do whatever they want to them? That if they're not strong enough to fight back, aka be a victim, then too fucking bad for them?
All I can say is "thank god that most don't think that way" because, basically, you're condoning hitler's attack on the jews.....hey, they weren't strong enough to defend themselves, so whatever happened to them, it was their own fault......
Or are you saying that those among us who are more sensitive to attack than others, those attackers should just have at it? do whatever they want to them? That if they're not strong enough to fight back, aka be a victim, then too fucking bad for them?
All I can say is "thank god that most don't think that way" because, basically, you're condoning hitler's attack on the jews.....hey, they weren't strong enough to defend themselves, so whatever happened to them, it was their own fault......
NO no no, I don't excuse the bullies one bit unless if was one off the cuff remark which we all tend to do. If a bully is persistent as in some of these cases I agree they should be charged and suffer severe repercussions.
If we know someone in our lives that suffers depression or has suicidal tendencies we need to really stay on top of it because something in their lives will go wrong and it will be used as a trigger point. It's also not just females, it's both sexes.
If we know someone in our lives that suffers depression or has suicidal tendencies we need to really stay on top of it because something in their lives will go wrong and it will be used as a trigger point. It's also not just females, it's both sexes.
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good because Hbee's post was indicative of the thought "suck it up, deal with it".......which is NOT the way caring human beings react.....
Psmerf: just like the one who flashed her boobs, while a mistake was made, should someone pay the ultimate consequence for it? Definitely no...should someone be driven to the point of taking their own life? definitely no (yea, I agree, she had emotional troubles prior to this but still).
Yeah, kids make mistakes, but with the social media we have now, it isn't just snickering behind her back, it gets out to the entire community in under an hour....
Yeah, kids, specially girls, LGBT, and geeks, have to be MORE careful now, but that still doesn't give anyone an excuse to pick on/bully/berate/assault another kid to the point they want to end it.....
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tboy said:
Some one who wants to kill him or herself will do so.
The ones who want to be stopped tell others of their intent.
What is truly sad is there will be one or two more cases just like this before the end of the year.
Why?
Human nature. Because some poor schulb is out there reading of the deaths on the internet and thinking YEA that would make them pay.
What is worse is people will say we never seen that coming.
I guess it helps when kids can talk to their mom or dad and know they will listen.
That however starts more than a decade before the teen years. When you wait to establish that kind of communication,
you are too late and will never see anything.
Psmerf, you make good points and I agree with everything you said except for "Some one who wants to kill him or herself will do so." Not necessarily.....there is usually one more stick that broke the camel's back which puts a person over the edge....because, if that wasn't the case, there'd be thousands killing themselves everyday.......in this case, it was the harassment of those she was foolish enough to fuck.....the one last week, it was the constant barrage of harassment online and in real life......
Yes, for some, it's just one or two things, to others, it's a build up of many things.....but everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has a breaking point.....some take their own lives, and others end up in a tower with a rifle......
No matter what, whoever is responsible for pushing someone over the edge, the four footballers in this case, should be taken out to the back field and anally raped by a few horny convicts.....
Yes, for some, it's just one or two things, to others, it's a build up of many things.....but everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has a breaking point.....some take their own lives, and others end up in a tower with a rifle......
No matter what, whoever is responsible for pushing someone over the edge, the four footballers in this case, should be taken out to the back field and anally raped by a few horny convicts.....
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tboy said:
And then you start another cycle of fear and hate.
I do not disagree that bullies need to be stopped be they at home, school, work or the internet.
But I do not agree that these boys were the sole factor that led to this death. Nor were they the catalyst.
Even her having sex with them was just one of many symptoms of this child's fractured self.
