Get ready for the Nordic Model, it's coming to Canada

[papasmerf]

No, not at all. I regularly visit your fair country. I'm merely stating a fact, you live in the US which already criminalizes prostitution do you not?

my opinion is to support the ladies

What is yours??

Please be clear and do not tap dance

 

[JessieJames]

Here is a great article that is a must read. Note the comments at the end mostly in support of the industry.

 

[Baz]

my opinion is to support the ladies

What is yours??

Please be clear and do not tap dance

I will clarify my position once again and I will ask you to do the same. I did fill out the poll and voted in favor of the ladies for hire. My stance on the industry has changed since I first joined. I will be the first one to admit I didn't fully comprehend and understand the industry. I assumed it was as street prostitutes are portrayed on television, seedy dimwits walking the streets under the careful watch of their pimps. Now that I've participated here I've learned that many of the women are smart and articulate doing this by choice. I believe and hope it is now your turn to clarify your position. Do you support your government's stance on prostitution, do you support the proposed Nordic Model, do you support pay for play? You do not review, you do not seem to visit pay for play ladies therefore please enlighten us on your stance on this issue?

 

[papasmerf]

I will clarify my position once again and I will ask you to do the same. I did fill out the poll and voted in favor of the ladies for hire. My stance on the industry has changed since I first joined. I will be the first one to admit I didn't fully comprehend and understand the industry. I assumed it was as street prostitutes are portrayed on television, seedy dimwits walking the streets under the careful watch of their pimps. Now that I've participated here I've learned that many of the women are smart and articulate doing this by choice. I believe and hope it is now your turn to clarify your position. Do you support your government's stance on prostitution, do you support the proposed Nordic Model, do you support pay for play? You do not review, you do not seem to visit pay for play ladies therefore please enlighten us on your stance on this issue?

Let me once again clarify

And I will type slowly

I................................do........................not....................live in.........................................Canada..................As such my opinion............................on...................Canadian......................Law.................................is ......................at.............................best..................................moot.

I support the ladies.

 

[User-E]

If I may ask, why is it the gentlemen who seem to review and use the services the most are very silent on this issue? I would think gentlemen in the top reviewer category will be very much the targets of the proposed new law.

If you knew you might legally be considered a criminal for enjoying this hobby, if/when the laws change a couple of months from now, would you want to speak up and put your name on record?

I've been thinking about the other end of things for SP's. If they offer whatever type of programs and assistance to get out of the industry, we're all going to have go officially register somewhere and admit that's the work we were doing - which isn't going to go over very well either imo.

 

[blackram]

If I may ask, why is it the gentlemen who seem to review and use the services the most are very silent on this issue? I would think gentlemen in the top reviewer category will be very much the targets of the proposed new law.

because the Forum you are in is not a regional review

What do you mean?

I think all Papa means is that the reviews are done in the regional subforums of this board, while this is more of a national/international subforum of the board. The people on those subforums may not even participate here.

 

[Mikehorn]

Looks like the sugar Baby route is the way to go. Think all the ladies in the industry better start making private arrangements with their clients to go underground.

Or becoming a porn producer

 

[oldguyzer]

And I will type slowly

I................................do........................not....................live in.........................................Canada..................As such my opinion............................on...................Canadian......................Law.................................is ......................at.............................best..................................moot.

Fuck! Yur a furriner! No wonder you type so slowly!

 

[oldguyzer]

If you knew you might legally be considered a criminal for enjoying this hobby, if/when the laws change a couple of months from now, would you want to speak up and put your name on record?

I've been thinking about the other end of things for SP's. If they offer whatever type of programs and assistance to get out of the industry, we're all going to have go officially register somewhere and admit that's the work we were doing - which isn't going to go over very well either imo.

The first step in "freedom" is to register everyone who should be "free". Then you clobber them. Gun registry anyone?

It's hypocrisy at play, as always. The MPs who visit the ladies then have to act all morally superior and "protect" the ladies from themselves. Yes, some are in the business because they have no choice. So's the person stacking shelves at Walmart.

 

[Madman]

If you knew you might legally be considered a criminal for enjoying this hobby, if/when the laws change a couple of months from now, would you want to speak up and put your name on record?

I've been thinking about the other end of things for SP's. If they offer whatever type of programs and assistance to get out of the industry, we're all going to have go officially register somewhere and admit that's the work we were doing - which isn't going to go over very well either imo.

We need not give up but instead get together and fight.

Sarah, what has Maggie been doing? It seems to me the agencies and SP support groups have been very quiet lately.

 

[User-E]

We need not give up but instead get together and fight.

Sarah, what has Maggie been doing? It seems to me the agencies and SP support groups have been very quiet lately.

I've checked all over and found nothing new to report for now. Guess they're working hard behind the scenes and still encouraging people to write to their Members of Parliament.

 

[j]

We need not give up but instead get together and fight.

Sarah, what has Maggie been doing? It seems to me the agencies and SP support groups have been very quiet lately.

 

[RAWD]

Wouldn't the Nordic model be similar to what we have in the states...does it just focus more on the "john" rather than the providers?

Does it really matter either way. Criminalization isn't going to make people just stop doing the activity and go get jobs in other industries. The war on drugs hasn't stopped people from doing drugs, it just makes them be more sneaky which leads to some people using violence to do their drug dealing.

Whether it's the christian right or the liberal left, both sides want to control us in one manner or another. This is why I've been so adamant about smoking bans! I caught shit when I posted the modified lines about "they came for my neighbor, and I said nothing....they came for me and there was nobody left to speak up for me".

Look again at the things you support your government getting involved in...

- Right to health care/National Health Care...you are saying that the government knows best for each of us, and you, what is best for your health. They can decide to prioritize treatments for some and not for others. They can decide what you should eat, drink, etc. A recent report said that obesity is costing more to health care than smoking. Should obesity be banned? Stop thinking of health care as a right of each person and consider that some people make bad choices and should have to live with them.

- Affirmative action, pay equality, minimum wages, etc. Can you honestly tell me that everyone deserves a certain amount of money for a job done? Would increasing the minimum wage to $100k/year actually change anything? Prices would change to match the costs of labor and production and then we would have people asking for the minimum wage to be raised to $200K/year. Face facts, everyone is different and can produce differently. In some cases people choose to do jobs that require the barest amount of effort and skill. Anyone can do those jobs and so they don't pay very well. Some jobs require years of training and skill and intelligence, very few people can do those jobs and so they can "write their own ticket" so to speak. Some people risk their wealth to build up a business from scratch, what right do workers have to that wealth...None. The workers will get paid according to the demand for the jobs they can do and the work they produce. Forcing employers to hire people because of their gender, race, religion, etc. is just as bad as an employer who doesn't hire people based on those criteria. Employees should be hired and paid and promoted on individual merit.

- Gun control....even though we here in the US are supposed to have the right to bear arms, places in this country are trying to make it completely impossible to do so. The reason that right was written into the constitution is that history shows that when the populace is armed, it can fight back against a tyrannical government that breaks it's own rules. Look at what has happened in places where the people aren't allowed the means to protect themselves....eventually, a group or individual takes over the government and the people have no way of defending themselves. Whether you agree with the Bundy Wrancher guy or not, you saw what happened there. A government agency came in heavily armed over a tax issue. This guy wasn't building bombs...he was grazing his cattle. There are plenty of people out there who owe more in taxes but they don't all have paramilitary government troops coming to arrest them or take their property. On a smaller scale, the criminals and nutjobs that ignore gun control laws anyway, have a free path to cause as much damage as they want because none of the good/law abiding citizens are in a position to stop them.

The list goes on and on.

Once again, where are the people that think government control over smoking activities is a good thing but government control over pay for play isn't a good thing. Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

I like the way you rant. :good:

 

[Madman]

I like the way you rant. :good:

Where the hell have you been??

Do you realize I've been putting up with PAPA's crappy food because I haven't had any restaurant reviews??

Imagine if the justice minister and his wacky co-hort Joy the feminist nazi Smith has their way and no more sexy SP reviews get their way!:Crying2:

 

[RAWD]

Where the hell have you been??

Do you realize I've been putting up with PAPA's crappy food because I haven't had any restaurant reviews??

Imagine if the justice minister and his wacky co-hort Joy the feminist nazi Smith has their way and no more sexy SP reviews get their way!:Crying2:

Sorry Madman, I've been busy getting my nuts waxed. It was a hairy job.

I think things will change. I'm not sure exactly how. If they put in a Nordic model, it will definitely affect many aspects of the hobby, including SCs and MPs. Making commercial sex an illegal transaction would completely change the dynamics of the business. Many people don't seem to get that.

 

[HOOKED]

Sorry Madman, I've been busy getting my nuts waxed. It was a hairy job.

I think things will change. I'm not sure exactly how. If they put in a Nordic model, it will definitely affect many aspects of the hobby, including SCs and MPs. Making commercial sex an illegal transaction would completely change the dynamics of the business. Many people don't seem to get that.

It will completely change and it's obvious it will not be in favor of the industry. The Justice Minister is completely ignoring the SP's and only putting weight behind abolitionists.

Once the net drags in some well established people and one of us is faced fighting a serious criminal charge then it's too late!

 

[RAWD]

It will completely change and it's obvious it will not be in favor of the industry. The Justice Minister is completely ignoring the SP's and only putting weight behind abolitionists.

Once the net drags in some well established people and one of us is faced fighting a serious criminal charge then it's too late!

It's a far more nuanced issued than to say that MacKay is ignoring SPs. From his perspective (or at least, in Joy Smith's world), sexwork is inherently exploitive. I'm sure that if you asked him, he would strongly disagree that he is ignoring SPs.

We know that its wrong to say that all sexworkers have been coerced into the biz. But, it's equally wrong (IMO) to say that no sexworkers have been coerced (even at the "good" MPs and SCs).

 

[Madman]

We know that its wrong to say that all sexworkers have been coerced into the biz. But, it's equally wrong (IMO) to say that no sexworkers have been coerced (even at the "good" MPs and SCs).

Coerced or by choice as opposed to working for minimum wage? Let's face it, some ladies actually choose this career path instead of struggling to pay bills working at Walmart and for most it's a short term job. How many janitors enjoy cleaning toilets and wake up in the morning thinking wooohooo I can't wait to get to work.

It's not up to Politicians to impose their moral standards on the masses. If they want to help in my opinion they can keep enforcing trafficking and pimping laws which are already on the books. I'm positive most "johns" prefer to visit providers which are doing their job by their own choice.

All one has to do is go onto cam sites to see how many women are performing live in front of their cams for money. I'm sure some will rant against this choice as well but it is a choice in my humble opinion.


ps.... any ingrown hair issues as of lateHmmmmmm

 

[RAWD]

Coerced or by choice as opposed to working for minimum wage? Let's face it, some ladies actually choose this career path instead of struggling to pay bills working at Walmart and for most it's a short term job. How many janitors enjoy cleaning toilets and wake up in the morning thinking wooohooo I can't wait to get to work.

It's not up to Politicians to impose their moral standards on the masses. If they want to help in my opinion they can keep enforcing trafficking and pimping laws which are already on the books. I'm positive most "johns" prefer to visit providers which are doing their job by their own choice.

All one has to do is go onto cam sites to see how many women are performing live in front of their cams for money. I'm sure some will rant against this choice as well but it is a choice in my humble opinion.


ps.... any ingrown hair issues as of lateHmmmmmm

No, no. I don't mean a conscious choice to select a more expedient path to financial security or morality.

I mean the overt (owners getting calls with offers of girls) and the subtle (guys sitting in parking lots or even in the lounge as they wait for their "gf" to finish a shift). I've also heard more than a few times that a girl got into the biz because her SO won't work or because he racked up a pile of debt. That's a grey area, but it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Dan]

. I've also heard more than a few times that a girl got into the biz because her SO won't work or because he racked up a pile of debt. That's a grey area, but it doesn't sit well with me.

Entering the business to pay off debt is like choosing any other job , the difference is SPing pays well. I'd do it if I can charge $250 and only do women. If I women chooses it for economical reason there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's not the same as being coerced or forced.