Get ready for the Nordic Model, it's coming to Canada

[j]

Entering the business to pay off debt is like choosing any other job , the difference is SPing pays well. I'd do it if I can charge $250 and only do women. If I women chooses it for economical reason there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's not the same as being coerced or forced.

I agree. And yet 'financial reasons' is also used against sps who choose to work in order to make the income, because then the abolitionists can claim that they wouldn't choose to do it except they are desperate for money. Well, who isn't desperate for money, one way or the other? There are a lot of things I won't do, or find degrading or disgusting, but if worse came to worse I too would go work at McDonald's because they would give me money to work there.

I'd have to be pretty darn desperate tho :shout:

Abolitionists claim that because it is sex, therefore it follows that no one would do it for money, or do it without coercion, that they must be unwilling, because it is wrong I guess to have sex without love. And yet they aren't running out to the polygamist communities that force 15 year olds to become the 4th wife of a 40 year old man. That is forced, coerced sex, but to this day we still don't see one government official doing anything about it, but they are worried about the 10% of the majority of sex

 

[Pietro]

I agree. And yet 'financial reasons' is also used against sps who choose to work in order to make the income, because then the abolitionists can claim that they wouldn't choose to do it except they are desperate for money. Well, who isn't desperate for money, one way or the other? There are a lot of things I won't do, or find degrading or disgusting, but if worse came to worse I too would go work at McDonald's because they would give me money to work there.

I'd have to be pretty darn desperate tho :shout:

Abolitionists claim that because it is sex, therefore it follows that no one would do it for money, or do it without coercion, that they must be unwilling, because it is wrong I guess to have sex without love. And yet they aren't running out to the polygamist communities that force 15 year olds to become the 4th wife of a 40 year old man. That is forced, coerced sex, but to this day we still don't see one government official doing anything about it, but they are worried about the 10% of the majority of sex

Wow thanks for sharing your knowledge on this subject.

 

[Baz]

I agree. And yet 'financial reasons' is also used against sps who choose to work in order to make the income, because then the abolitionists can claim that they wouldn't choose to do it except they are desperate for money. Well, who isn't desperate for money, one way or the other? There are a lot of things I won't do, or find degrading or disgusting, but if worse came to worse I too would go work at McDonald's because they would give me money to work there.

I'd have to be pretty darn desperate tho :shout:

Abolitionists claim that because it is sex, therefore it follows that no one would do it for money, or do it without coercion, that they must be unwilling, because it is wrong I guess to have sex without love. And yet they aren't running out to the polygamist communities that force 15 year olds to become the 4th wife of a 40 year old man. That is forced, coerced sex, but to this day we still don't see one government official doing anything about it, but they are worried about the 10% of the majority of sex

You do bring up some very good points. I'm curious if you have contacted your MP, wrote a letter to an editor or try and express your concerns to Joy Smith or the Justice Minister? I'm told many politicians frequent ladies for hire, maybe this is what can be referred to as a favor being called in?

 

[blackram]

I agree. And yet 'financial reasons' is also used against sps who choose to work in order to make the income, because then the abolitionists can claim that they wouldn't choose to do it except they are desperate for money. Well, who isn't desperate for money, one way or the other? There are a lot of things I won't do, or find degrading or disgusting, but if worse came to worse I too would go work at McDonald's because they would give me money to work there.

I agreed with everything you said up to here. And in many cases, the SP's who are doing this job aren't doing it out of desperation, but because they love this job, and they love being with and meeting up with new men. It's a side of the story that will not get any press coverage.

 

[Madman]

I agreed with everything you said up to here. And in many cases, the SP's who are doing this job aren't doing it out of desperation, but because they love this job, and they love being with and meeting up with new men. It's a side of the story that will not get any press coverage.

Do you notice that amount of news reports focusing on trafficking, desperate women ect... It's all controlled by the puppet masters to bring in the new laws of their choice. We need to stop voting for the Joy and Harper dictatorship and hopefully bring in a more open minded government.

 

[RAWD]

Entering the business to pay off debt is like choosing any other job , the difference is SPing pays well. I'd do it if I can charge $250 and only do women. If I women chooses it for economical reason there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's not the same as being coerced or forced.

That depends on your perspective. If its her debt, sure. But I've heard of more than a few instances where the debt(s) was racked up by a deadbeat SO who then "encouraged" his woman to get into the biz to work it off.

I agree. And yet 'financial reasons' is also used against sps who choose to work in order to make the income, because then the abolitionists can claim that they wouldn't choose to do it except they are desperate for money. Well, who isn't desperate for money, one way or the other? There are a lot of things I won't do, or find degrading or disgusting, but if worse came to worse I too would go work at McDonald's because they would give me money to work there.

I'd have to be pretty darn desperate tho :shout:

Abolitionists claim that because it is sex, therefore it follows that no one would do it for money, or do it without coercion, that they must be unwilling, because it is wrong I guess to have sex without love. And yet they aren't running out to the polygamist communities that force 15 year olds to become the 4th wife of a 40 year old man. That is forced, coerced sex, but to this day we still don't see one government official doing anything about it, but they are worried about the 10% of the majority of sex

It's not I would be desperate, it would be the poor soul who pays to see me naked! lol.

My understanding of abolitionist logic is not that "because it is sex, it cannot be done willingly for money." It's a much more value laden judgment than that - It's that because it is sex, it cannot be sold without being inherently degrading and exploitive. Basically, no self-respecting person would sell their body.

I have no idea what the right answer is (if there is indeed one). Fundamentally, I know that it's nobody's business but their own as to what a person does with their own body. There is no more basic a right, IMO.

Yet, I know that while many sexworkers consciously choose to participate in the business because it is an expedient route to whatever life goals they have, many also hide their participation from loved ones, friends, future partners, etc. Many struggle with being in the industry if they become attached to someone special.

So, I ponder the broader, more expansive question of whether we "should" as a society protect our members against themselves. Precedents exist, such as seat belt laws, or even fast food regulations. Is human nature (greed, expedience, immediate gratification, etc) something that we "should" govern? Does the erosion of religion in society create a void that begs attention by the government, or something else?

Excuse me while I spark a spliff and do some navel gazing.