Get ready for the Nordic Model, it's coming to Canada

[blackram]

Here's some extracts from the full report:

Justice Minister Peter MacKay has been exploring various options since the Supreme Court of Canada struck down Canada’s prostitution laws last December, giving the government a year to come up with a new law.

Among the alternatives being examined is a Canadian version of the “Nordic model” — an approach first used in Sweden which then spread to Norway and Iceland — in which police target prostitutes’ customers, pimps and sex-trade traffickers.

Two things have become apparent: the government will not decriminalize or legalize prostitution, as some other countries such as New Zealand and the Netherlands have done; and the governing Tories appear to be contemplating the Nordic model.

“We’ve looked at a lot of different options and a lot of different models,” MacKay said. “The Nordic model is one. I can assure you of this: it will be a Canadian solution.”

He said there will be “support mechanisms outside the legislation in order to help people to transition out of the sex trade.”

His choice of words — and the goals — are similar to a proposal Manitoba Conservative MP Joy Smith has been circulating.

She has written a report, The Tipping Point, that argues Canada must make the elimination of prostitution its goal through future legislation, and that a form of the Nordic model is the best solution.

“The most effective route to tackling prostitution and sex trafficking is to address the demand for commercial sex by targeting the buyers of sex,” she writes.

But others, including some prostitutes and academics, are warning against the Nordic model, saying it will merely force the sex trade underground and leave prostitutes in greater danger of being harmed.

Christine Bruckert, a former prostitute who is now a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa, said that if the government chooses Smith’s proposal, the sex trade will continue.

Bruckert said the law would eventually end up back at the Supreme Court and be ruled unconstitutional because it fails to protect prostitutes from danger.

Bruckert said those advocating the Nordic model are adopting a paternalistic attitude.

“It’s about taking an ideological stand: Sex work is wrong, women are victims. It’s about people saying if you are a sex worker, and you say you want to be a sex worker, you must be either deluded or mentally ill or not even know that you’re making a bad choice.”

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Where is she now? She opened up a can of worms and now she's quiet.

It figures the Tories will go against public opinion along with Joy Smith. This woman is going to tell all other women what they can and cannot do with their bodies!

 

[blackram]

It's not going to happen with the Tories, and it's not going to happen with the Liberals, can't even see it happening with the NDP. Everyone feels they can't go wrong by catering to the most ignorant common denominator.

The only thing that's going to get rid of this upcoming law is yet another supreme court ruling.

 

[africandominique]

This is a really unfortunate turn for Canadian politics. Sigh.

 

[WhiteLion]

What's the next move?.

 

[Reverse]

He can't be this stupid, can he?

 

[MILFquest]

They are outlawing a basic human need. it will never work but they will destroy a lot of mens lives

 

[Cheater]

Looks like the sugar Baby route is the way to go. Think all the ladies in the industry better start making private arrangements with their clients to go underground.

 

[JustJohn]

They are outlawing a basic human need. it will never work but they will destroy a lot of mens lives

You're probably right. Let's hope the first one nailed ends up being a conservative government MP.

 

[blackram]

Here's the perspective from the Nordic and European countries who have already enacted these types of laws that Canada is now thinking of enacting.



Quotes:

"It is good the customers are scared," said Tina, 24, from Romania, waiting for clients in the streets in central Oslo. She declined to give her last name.

"If they try to get more than what they paid for, or if they threaten to be violent, I can tell them: 'I am going to call the police, tell them where we are and give them the registration number of the car'."

There must be a reason she didn't give her last name. With an attitude like that, she's likely going to lose business if customers knew that she has no qualms about using the police like a free pimping enforcement service.

But the majority of sex workers interviewed in Finland, Norway and Sweden said the new laws made their working conditions more dangerous.

"Now women have to go to the customers' homes, which is one of the most dangerous ways to work: you don't know what you walk into," said Pye Jakobsson, 45, a retired sex worker living in Stockholm.

I've always thought that doing outcalls (girl goes to client) was less preferable to doing incalls (client comes to girl) for the ladies, and most men too. But here in Canada, the previous set of laws that have just been overturned used to encourage the outcalls, looks like with the new proposed Nordic-style laws, it's going to keep encouraging that. Wonder how the Supreme Court is going to view that?

The moral and ethical questions around prostitution complicate law-making on the issue.

In Norway, the center-right Conservatives and the populist Progress Party - the parties ruling the country since October - have said they want to overturn the law as they believe it infringes on free choice. But they face a revolt from within their own parties on the issue.

This seems to be the biggest problem, all of those "moral" politicians out there. Once this law is enacted, it seems like it will be very difficult to change through the normal legislative process, because politicians will be reluctant to touch it. The only thing that makes them touch it at all, is that it gets overturned in the courts, leaving them with no choice.

The unfortunate thing is that this has already gone through the courts, and the politicians are making all of the exact same mistakes all over again. The law doesn't become constitutional just because you enact it several times. I think the courts made a mistake in giving the government so much leeway in keeping the existing laws in place even while ruling it unconstitutional. Since the original ruling in the Ontario courts to the final ruling in the Supreme Court, they all let the existing law stay in place, and did the politicians use the time to come up with better laws? No, they just rearranged the deck chairs. It's just going back to the courts and they'll have to do all of this all over again. During the next set of rulings, the courts should declare the laws unenforceable right away, that'll get the politicians to focus properly.

 

[Madman]

I don't think the NDP would bring in a stupid Nordic law, I know the Libertarian party would definitely be on board to legalize the industry. It's time for a political shift and if need be it's time to dump all three parties in my opinion.

https://www.libertarian.ca/

[h=1]The Libertarian Party Of Canada
Less Government – Lower Taxes – More Freedom[/h]
WHAT ELSE CAN ANYONE ASK FOR??

 

[Madman]

miss the big picture that (in the USA) we are supposed to be free to make our own choices on how we live!

The USA is far from a free country. The Christian right rules with an iron fist. The same Christian right hold is slowly starting to take hold in Canada.

 

[papasmerf]

The USA is far from a free country. The Christian right rules with an iron fist. The same Christian right hold is slowly starting to take hold in Canada.

Quite the opposite is true now in the US.

Christians are constantly at odds with the Government.

 

[Baz]

If I may ask, why is it the gentlemen who seem to review and use the services the most are very silent on this issue? I would think gentlemen in the top reviewer category will be very much the targets of the proposed new law.

 

[papasmerf]

If I may ask, why is it the gentlemen who seem to review and use the services the most are very silent on this issue? I would think gentlemen in the top reviewer category will be very much the targets of the proposed new law.

because the Forum you are in is not a regional review

 

[Baz]

because the Forum you are in is not a regional review

What do you mean?

 

[papasmerf]

What do you mean?

best you look to the question I answered

 

[Baz]

best you look to the question I answered

You really need to stop speaking in riddles and I don't believe this will effect you as you do not reside in Canada.

 

[papasmerf]

You really need to stop speaking in riddles and I don't believe this will effect you as you do not reside in Canada.

A bit of a bigot against Yanks are you?

 

[Baz]

A bit of a bigot against Yanks are you?

No, not at all. I regularly visit your fair country. I'm merely stating a fact, you live in the US which already criminalizes prostitution do you not?