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bazerko said:
CycleGuy and Tboy, yes I am a Christian and based on your posts I am to assume you are both atheists which is fine, you are entitled to believe or not believe in whatever you like. Although life must be hard when you start to ponder your mortality. It must be hard to imagine there to be nothing at all after death. At least Christians find some comfort in believing in life after death you must agree.

I have no issue what-so-ever when pondering my own morality. Why does there have to be something more to life than life itself? Hmmmmmm

RELIGIONS teach us that there is something after our bodies expire. Who's to say they are right? Who's to say they are wrong? :NoNoNo:

I have some rather interesting view points on religion and the subject of "life after death", but THIS review board is hardly the place to discuss such things, and you (I suspect) are hardly the adversary I would choose to discuss them with.

Bazerko? Really?
 
cycleguy007 said:
I have no issue what-so-ever when pondering my own morality. Why does there have to be something more to life than life itself? Hmmmmmm
cycleguy007 said:
RELIGIONS teach us that there is something after our bodies expire. Who's to say they are right? Who's to say they are wrong? :NoNoNo:

I have some rather interesting view points on religion and the subject of "life after death", but THIS review board is hardly the place to discuss such things, and you (I suspect) are hardly the adversary I would choose to discuss them with.

Bazerko? Really?

My real name is Brent and this is of no secret to most here, albeit you're fairly new too me because I'm not privy to your prior posts. Bazerko came to be because at the time I registered my nephew was watching a Superman flick on television and the villain was named Bazerko. I had seen a variety of colourful handles so I chose Bazerko, although it was probably the first day I quickly revealed my real name.

I would be very interested to hear your view points on religion and the subject of "life after death" especially the latter and this is the lobby where it seems most topics are discussed. Why do you refer to me as an adversary, I am not trying to pick a fight with you and I think I can manage to comprehend intellectually what you have to say, just use small words for me will ya please and maybe Hof can help me with my grammar and spelling.

I personally find great comfort knowing or maybe the better word is believing in one day being reunited with loved ones that have passed on or if a loved one is passing on, knowing their soul is moving on is quite comforting as opposed to burying them in the ground and it's over.


There are men much smarter than you and I who believe strongly in God. I believe every Canadian Prime Minister and American President has been a man of faith and believe in an after life. We have examples of life after death experiences which are quite remarkable. Read radiation oncologist Dr. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife. This is a highly educated individual who has become a believer.
 
bazerko said:
My real name is Brent and this is of no secret to most here, albeit you're fairly new too me because I'm not privy to your prior posts. Bazerko came to be because at the time I registered my nephew was watching a Superman flick on television and the villain was named Bazerko. I had seen a variety of colourful handles so I chose Bazerko, although it was probably the first day I quickly revealed my real name.

I would be very interested to hear your view points on religion and the subject of "life after death" especially the latter and this is the lobby where it seems most topics are discussed. Why do you refer to me as an adversary, I am not trying to pick a fight with you and I think I can manage to comprehend intellectually what you have to say, just use small words for me will ya please and maybe Hof can help me with my grammar and spelling.

I personally find great comfort knowing or maybe the better word is believing in one day being reunited with loved ones that have passed on or if a loved one is passing on, knowing their soul is moving on is quite comforting as opposed to burying them in the ground and it's over.


There are men much smarter than you and I who believe strongly in God. I believe every Canadian Prime Minister and American President has been a man of faith and believe in an after life. We have examples of life after death experiences which are quite remarkable. Read radiation oncologist Dr. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife. This is a highly educated individual who has become a believer.

Please leave me out of this, I have been cordial towards you for sometime. BTW, it's HOF not Hof or hof. That correction is not a jab, it's my handle.
 
Baz, as the saying goes, there are no atheists in foxholes but yeah, I'm one, in a sense. I personally think "god" and when people pray to him, they substitute "god" for "wishes" or "better luck". For example: someone is in trouble and says "god help me get out of this"......or when I run into idiots at work I look up in the sky and say "god help me". Or like alcoholics say "god help me change the things I can...". I think that is the main reason religious people cause so much fricken trouble: they thing this "god" is some being that will grant them their wishes.

I hate to break it to you brent, but when you die? You're worm food. No ifs ands or buts. Your soul is nothing more than chemical and electrical impulses in your brain which were developed through years of learned behaviour. Yes, you'll be reunited with lost love ones, but only in the sense that you'll be in the same place they are: no where. You will not have any consciousness in which to talk, meet, hold, communicate with them because, unlike sleep, you wont' even dream because your brain will turn into dust (as it is written).

The way you believe that you'll be in heaven with your loved ones is as twisted as the muslims who believe they'll get 100 virgins in paradise. Back in the day when all these religions were first developed, people were ignorant and maleable. That's why these fairy tales took hold. People in general need something to look forward to, if the simpler people who require faith, or religion, knew that there was nothing waiting for them at the end of their life, then most would think "why even bother"? Unlike the majority of us know that life IS the ride, not the destination.

Now one religious concept I do somewhat agree with is reincarnation. Not in the sense that our consciousness travels from creature to creature when we die, but the fact that our bodies are basically energy, and when we die, our energy is put back into the pot and will be absorbed by plant life, which in turn is eaten by various animals, so therefore, yeah, in a way, you can say that we do in fact come back as something else. In the same sense as gasoline. We put gasoline in our cars. In turn, when burnt, that gasoline is turned into heat. Some of that heat is absorbed into us, some of it goes out the tail pipe to be absorbed by the atmosphere, which in turn could be absorbed by a passing bird, cow, deer or whatever.

The big issue I have with those that believe in an afterlife, is that they act in this world like it doesn't really matter. Sorry, but your beliefs are NO different than muslims who can kill 10000 people and be good about it because they think they'll be rewarded in paradise. It is THIS concept that is going to fuck our world and is currently doing just that. If people think that there is a better life waiting for them when they're done here, they will never treat the present as important as it is. Hence why so many abuse this planet like there is no tomorrow.

I read a book and in it, they took a devote terrorist leader and hooked him up to all kinds of life support systems. They then put some chemicals in his body that stopped his heart. They waited until there was almost no brain activity, just before brain death occured, and then brought him back. He woke up realizing that he did in fact "die" and fell into a big black whole of nothing and began to realize that hey, there was NO paradise. They did this time and time again until he finally was educated that everything be believed in was nonsense. A fairy tale written thousands of years ago in an age when even a flashlight would be seen as a miracle and magical.

Sorry brent, but if you are not ok with people who having 2 way conversations with a dog, then you cannot be ok with someone having a conversation with a snake, or living in a whale for 2 (?) days, or all of the other stories in the bible.
 
Hi Brent,

Hi Brent,

bazerko said:
There are men much smarter than you and I who believe strongly in God. I believe every Canadian Prime Minister and American President has been a man of faith and believe in an after life. We have examples of life after death experiences which are quite remarkable. Read radiation oncologist Dr. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife. This is a highly educated individual who has become a believer.

Really? You are using politicians as examples of "smart men"? Please don't confuse "educated" with "intelligence" as the two are often mutually exclusive. Politicians are just highly educated people that have learned to bilk our citizens out of their hard earned dollars. I hold each and every one of them (along with religion as a whole) responsible for all the problems in the world. (Great, now you've got me started! and I promised Mrs. CG I'd be in a good mood when we went shopping for a new LBD for our New Year's Eve party! :NoNoNo:)

Examples of "life after death experiences" which you sight as "quite remarkable" are virtually ALL "near" death experiences.... These are all easily explained through residual brain wave function if I understand correctly. A dream if you will that occurs in those prescious seconds just prior to brain death.

I'm sorry... I'm just not buying into it. Live life to its fullest, I say. Live for TODAY, because no one knows what tomorrow will bring.

(P.S. I will not reveal my real name in open forum, but most of my friends on here are aware of it...)
 
cg nailed it, NEAR death....no one could possibly realize brain death and then come back since, ahem, brain death means your brain is dead.

One of the things I learned in my first aid/cpr class: just because your heart stops, you aren't dead. You've got about 4 minutes before the brain starts dying....that's right, STARTS dying....I think the total time is about 7 minutes or so before there's no coming back from the edge.

Everyone knows here that I had cataract surgery 9 months ago. Well, ever since then I've seen "lightning" when I move my eyes back and forth quickly. AH a miracle...it's a god given MIRACLE....I can see things no one else sees....wait, no it's not. What it is is when they removed my natural lens' they also removed the natural fluid surround the lens. They replaced it with distilled water and what happens is that water sloshes around and puts pressure on the optic nerve and hence I get a "flash".......that's what happens with "visions" during near death experiences. The nuerons in your brain start to fire off and various images appear. Not a "real" image, these could be images from books, movies, places, and yes, people. If you are told what heaven looks like for 40 yrs, then "see" it, that doesn't make it real.

Another thing about reality (it really is just a concept). They have done studies whereby they measure a person's brainwave activity during say, a rollercoaster ride. Then they put them in a black room, and have them recall that ride. They have found that the brain reacts the same whether something is real, or imagined. Get it? REAL or IMAGINED.

Here's one more thing baz should realize: if 500,000,000 people told you that they could fly, and that you could too, would you just go jump off a bridge? I doubt it. But that is exactly what you're doing with religion. People are telling you things from a story written long ago and you're believing them and jumping off that bridge.
 
Tboy buddy I feel sorry for you! Read on:biggrin2:



I don't know either way but I really like that 40 virgin scenario!/-Thumbs-up::/
 
Repoman said:
Tboy buddy I feel sorry for you! Read on

I think I saw that movie...

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Repoman said:
I don't know either way but I really like that 40 virgin scenario!/-Thumbs-up::/

WTF is the big deal about virgins anyway???
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I mean why would you want ANY inexperienced ugly chicks, let alone 40 of them! :SayWhat?:
 
cycleguy007 said:
WTF is the big deal about virgins anyway???
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I mean why would you want ANY inexperienced ugly chicks, let alone 40 of them! :SayWhat?:

Listen, you want to claim religion is bullshit, there is no after life go for it, but don't you dare call my awaiting 40 virgins ugly chicks.



Can you imagine what the other 37 look like!!!:Praying:
 
cycleguy007 said:
Really? You are using politicians as examples of "smart men"? Please don't confuse "educated" with "intelligence" as the two are often mutually exclusive. Politicians are just highly educated people that have learned to bilk our citizens out of their hard earned dollars. I hold each and every one of them (along with religion as a whole) responsible for all the problems in the world. (Great, now you've got me started! and I promised Mrs. CG I'd be in a good mood when we went shopping for a new LBD for our New Year's Eve party! :NoNoNo:)

Examples of "life after death experiences" which you sight as "quite remarkable" are virtually ALL "near" death experiences.... These are all easily explained through residual brain wave function if I understand correctly. A dream if you will that occurs in those prescious seconds just prior to brain death.

I'm sorry... I'm just not buying into it. Live life to its fullest, I say. Live for TODAY, because no one knows what tomorrow will bring.

(P.S. I will not reveal my real name in open forum, but most of my friends on here are aware of it...)

I'm your friend:good:
 
Repoman said:
Listen, you want to claim religion is bullshit, there is no after life go for it, but don't you dare call my awaiting 40 virgins ugly chicks.



Can you imagine what the other 37 look like!!!:Praying:



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bazerko said:
There are men much smarter than you and I who believe strongly in God. I believe every Canadian Prime Minister and American President has been a man of faith and believe in an after life. We have examples of life after death experiences which are quite remarkable. Read radiation oncologist Dr. Jeffrey Long's book Evidence of the Afterlife. This is a highly educated individual who has become a believer.

Kevin Pollack starred as the POTUS in a film called Deterrence and he said the President (while in office) must be an atheist. This makes perfect sense. The leader of a free country should welcome all faiths, NO?
 
Repoman said:


The Dereck Clontz blog . . . "News those other journalists don't DARE print"

Well, that settles everything then, doesn't it?

And he gives free psychic advice, to boot. Gotta get me some of that.
 
Psychics...

Psychics...

Art Mann said:
And he gives free psychic advice, to boot. Gotta get me some of that.

I can INSTANTLY disprove EVERY psychic... :SayWhat?:

If psychics had any REAL talent, (meaning "psychic" ability, because they are pretty talented at fooling gullible people), then there would be no such thing as lotteries, no such thing as Las Vegas, and no such thing as sports bets.

:LMAO:
 
Repoman said:
Here you go, a loonie for your trouble!
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Thanks... I have it on good authority that those ladies are bartenders or NFL cheerleaders (depending on which website you believe...)... and we all know bartenders & cheerleaders are NOT virgins! :wink2:
 
bazerko said:
Ms. FemmeFatale, you can address me any which way you find desirable. I'm not intimated by you, as a matter of fact your comment of "the likes of you" is very condescending which is surprising coming from an individual that believes she's all that and some!

The likes of you = a person posting on a forum they have no interest in other then to cause uproar and negativity.

Yes I have no interest in dealing with someone like that. That is not condescending. I am in no way of the opinion that I am any better or worse then most people in this world, let alone this forum.

I am not even making a slight attempt at being intimating so glad you don't feel that way. I just don't see any positive point/reason etc for you to be posting here. If you were a black man who went posting on a KKK site, I would be saying the same thing. It is totally inappropriate how you come here and makes posts with hidden insults about the people here for THEIR choices in THEIR life all because it does follow some rule of some God that YOU have faith in. I would have the same issue if you were on a Christian forum and some Muslims extremist joined to cause nothing but negativity in their posting. If you can not understand that, then that is your issue.

However, I have yet to insult you, which you try to do with each post to me. I think you need to see God again about how to POSITIVELY treat people. Until then, I will again say that I have no interest in debating with the likes of you.
 
cycleguy007 said:
I can INSTANTLY disprove EVERY psychic... :SayWhat?:

If psychics had any REAL talent, (meaning "psychic" ability, because they are pretty talented at fooling gullible people), then there would be no such thing as lotteries, no such thing as Las Vegas, and no such thing as sports bets.

:LMAO:

My wife is hooked on The Long Island Medium Theresa Caputo. I keep saying she's a fake and I know I'm going to end up with a bone in my soup if I keep it up. This woman is getting so much press and money over her cold readings which are simply open ended questions shot gunned over a group of people. I watch my wife get all teary-eyed on the sofa and can't help but laugh and walk away, actually run away!:biggrin2:
 
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