I don't think she will get very far with her defense. What does her being an escort have to do with anything? Is she claiming that she was coerced into signing the contract or it was entered into under duress? There is no general law that I am aware of against entering into contracts with people you are having sexual relations with.
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Wow, both the MPA and the MP owner sound like real pieces of work, and literally peas in a communal pod. I don't know what this would mean to all other MPs out there and if it would bring more scrutiny on the activities what happens in the MPs. It is funny though, that almost every seasoned hobbyist I've talked to know what goes on, and yet we're not allowed to talk about them. I do understand the reasons why, so maybe in the long run, this will lead to more open dialogue? Who knows, but I'm interested in the outcome of this case. Keep us posted when you hear something!
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A sad state of affairs, perhaps the attendant gave the owner a cut, but even then, it's an awful piddley amount to put your business in jeopardy for. I never like it when those who enter contracts, backtrack, especially with stupid excuses such as having sex.....if that negates the contract, in her mind, she then should have got that in writing. Hopefully the judge will see this for what it appears, a con to get away from repaying a valid loan.
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Is she claiming she was paying him back with "uncharged" sexual services in the spa? If he continues to pay for room fees and massages I am at loss with what her case is. If he gets free sex - sort of 'working it off' in trade - I can at least understand.
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It is definitely putting the business owner at risk, if it isn't, the outcome is that every spa will be a brothel. Ladies will be in essence forced to either provide full service or work at wal-mart. I know the ladies and some men understand what I am saying.
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It's an intimidation tactic. Being a whore is not a defence to a debt claim, even if your customer is the creditor.
i myself have loaned money to escorts on numerous occasions and got paid back on each occasion. That said, I only loaned small amounts to girls I knew very well.
The owner will not really come to trial and if he / she does, will say that he had no idea the place was being used for sex acts. The customer will say he never bought sex from the girl. The girl will be ordered to pay the money. The customer will never collect. End of story.
i myself have loaned money to escorts on numerous occasions and got paid back on each occasion. That said, I only loaned small amounts to girls I knew very well.
The owner will not really come to trial and if he / she does, will say that he had no idea the place was being used for sex acts. The customer will say he never bought sex from the girl. The girl will be ordered to pay the money. The customer will never collect. End of story.
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He can then file a judgment against her.....Well we can do that here.
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Which again does nothing, unless the person goes into business and or needs to borrow money from an establishment.
I took a judgement against an arse that I lent money to, who I had a written contract with, for repayment,which makes me an arse as well for loaning the monies, then, not until years later, when he needed a loan for his business, did I get my money. The plus was, his attorney gave it back to me with interest and I could have demanded more(apparently, if I'm not mistaken, I could have even refused repayment to keep his record dirty). I believe in Canada the judgement stays on record for 25 yrs until it's repaid.
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I think it depends on which city you live in as they all have different by-laws regulating them.
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Judgement gets reported to the credit bureau, which effects more than just credit, insurance for example. It also allows the creditor access to CRA data, notice of assessment and credit applications that the debtor may have filled out.
There is an arsenal that becomes available once judgement is obtained.
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LOL nice try, you can not own a business and not be accountable for what happens at the business. The I didn't know defense won't pass the sniff test let alone the smell test.
This is CC code, not by-law, Cities can't regulate morality
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It is called comtempt when you don't appear for a summons. Either party can summons owners, co-workers, really anyone that can provide info to support their position.
I've read the statement of defense as it is public record and the defense admits to providing sexual services at the massage parlours.
I have spoken to my attorney, he is not involved in thus matter.
It seems that there is an underlying factor because a written agreement carries heavy weight in the courts. The fact that their is no documentation that the original agreement has been satisfied puts a heavy burden on the defense and may not be worth their while. Most reputable attorneys would say the same.
I've known my attorney for at least 30 years, he handles my business affairs, only once did he have to go to court on our behalf. A customer owed us money and decided to not show, so my attorney obtained default judgement and turned the debt into a personal obligation. He found out that the CRA was owed $30k, so he said we would have to wait until that was satisfied until we could pursue.
I have since taken every bad paying customer to court, just for the slight chance that the customer doesn't appear and then I can put the debt against their name. It is inexpensive to file and a lot less aggravation then repeated calls. I do this after I send a demand letter.
The statement of defense also mentions marriage, maybe the john soiled her good reputation and this is the 1800's.
Guys don't realize that sometimes you think your helping someone out, this can lead to serious issues.
Say you claim that a girls works for you and the company calls for reference, by stating something that is untrue can put you on the hook. You never know what can come down the pipe.
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I think any MP/spa would hesitate to have their name dragged through the mud and be labeled brothel. Even if legal, advertising one thing and doing something else is never good for business.
I think the most likely outcome is the spa owner/operator will come if summoned and simply state for the record that he/she does not run an establishment where sex is sold.
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Certainly have to agree, court is really about getting the other side to back off, failing that it is about compromise. The yelling that you could hear in the hall from the lone female would suggest compromise is not on the table. Expecting a owner to participate in a minor civil action to test uncharted criminal action is in itself laughable, which may have been why male laughter was heard.
I think it will be harder for the john to collect than it is to get the owner into court, whether the john or the es ort summons the owner. The john should have been told that too.
BTW: I know you have interest in Ukraine, do you know who runs a country, hates Russia but owns companies in Russia.
People actually gave their lives for that man.
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I highly doubt the spa owner will show up, and if he/she does, will likely just commit perjury anyway to protect himself/herself.
Its sad in a way there seems to be a growing trend of escorts working as MPAs. I sometimes feel that the art of the erotic body slide is becoming a fond memory.
Its sad in a way there seems to be a growing trend of escorts working as MPAs. I sometimes feel that the art of the erotic body slide is becoming a fond memory.
Not possible....isnt she in Jamaica?
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Who knows
