Judge's sex-assault comments spark rally

[tboy]

Well Gen, it turns out, from your link that the odd one is right: that most rapes are done by serial (repeat) rapists:

"while 76 of the 120 (63% of them) were serial rapists who accounted for 439 of the 483 rapes"


That is slightly more than half. So Gen, did you mean that most instances of rape (or those that rape) were single event offenders or as odd puts it: solo?

The links you posted were interesting reads but some of the data conflicts with what I've read previously and there they stated that most rapes were committed by someone once, and they didn't do it again. (I'll try and dig up the document).

Here's a question for the Masses (and Gen): From your links, they quite plainly state that if a guy goes out on a date, the girl gets drunk, and they have sex, even consensual, that's rape.

Is this really the case? I ask because I'd say that 99% of all the dates of ever been on involved the consumption of alcohol (even when I stopped drinking), and I'd say that 90% of the dates I went on ended with us having sex. According to that document I raped them all. Even if the woman was the instigator. I mean, even the woman who, when asked what she wanted to do now, said "I want to go home and fuck your brains out"????

If the document is true, then I'd say their stats are really LOW because on any given friday and saturday night there are people all over the country getting drunk and having sex. Little do they know that they are raping each other. According to that document anyhow.

Are you deliberately trying to look stupid? I am, of course, referring to the report that Gen linked to.

No, most normal people post a link to the report they are referring to....not a vague hidden link buried in a paragraph in some other post 14 posts ago.....and for that matter, most people post a link as in the entire web address as opposed to hiding it in a coloured word (which I can't see because I'm blue/green colourblind).

 

[GenevieveLajoie]

That is slightly more than half. So Gen, did you mean that most instances of rape (or those that rape) were single event offenders or as odd puts it: solo?

I understood DocOdd to mean serial rapist as in serial rapists who are strangers to their victim (which is the typical stereotype that most people have of rape): my point was that most rape is perpetrated by men who know their victim, either as aquaintance, family member, colleagues, friends/lovers, etc.

Here's a question for the Masses (and Gen): From your links, they quite plainly state that if a guy goes out on a date, the girl gets drunk, and they have sex, even consensual, that's rape.

Rape, by definition, is non consensual. Consent, in the context of sex, should be understood as enthusiastic consent. Someone who is unconscious, asleep, or too intoxicated to say no (or anything else for that matter) is not enthusiastically consenting. A young woman who is being pressured by her boyfriend and who gives up because she can't find it in herself anymore to keep on saying no is not enthusiastically consenting either. An employee who let her boss fuck her in fear of being fired is not enthusiastically consenting. A man who sucks cock in prison in order to get some protection is not enthusiastically consenting. A woman who enthusiastically starts fooling around with a guy and who doesn't feel comfortable going pass a certain point and asks him to stop is not enthusiastically consenting anymore.

 

[tboy]

holy crap....so the adjective now is "enthusiastically" consenting? So that means that every married woman since the dawn of time has been raped because most, after the first year of marriage, no longer do anything sexual enthusiastically. (except cg's wife, but she's the exception not the rule).

If that is the criteria (and I'm not agreeing that it is) I have personally raped probably, oh, 10 sps, and maybe my gfs, 500 times? Something like that. Come to think of it, therefore, I've probably been raped 100's of times because there has been times when I really didn't feel like it but did anyways.....So using your definition, men have to come to the realisation that once they get married, they should expect to give up sex else they be labelled rapists?

So, using your definition, what is the label if a husband is forced to go to his wife's parent's house for christmas and he doesn't do it enthusiastically? Is that coercion? Is that abuse? I mean, in any relationship people do things for the other partner that they really don't want to do, but do it because they love their partner. SOmetimes it's sex, sometimes it's taking out the garbage, sometimes it's going to her parent's house.....

I think that's a very loose and very very dangerous definition.....

(for the record, I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get a handle on the subject that's all)

Now I really want your opinion on this:

A guy and a girl are dancing on the dance floor at a club. She grabs his ass and pulls him in tight.....he reaches around and grabs her ass....she slaps him.

Is this rape? (or in this particular case, sexual assault)

 

[Fullthrottle]

In my opinion if a woman is drunk, has sex and claims rape she loses creditability in my mind. If both parties are drunk and engage in sex why is the onus on the man to know if she is providing an "enthusiastic consent"?

 

[tboy]

In my opinion if a woman is drunk, has sex and claims rape she loses creditability in my mind. If both parties are drunk and engage in sex why is the onus on the man to know if she is providing an "enthusiastic consent"?

There are some (in this thread) who would say that the responsibility lies totally with the men because women should not be held in any way responsibile for their actions......

After pondering this for a few minutes while I was spraying some shelves, this is a great question in the context of this thread. I think the presumption here is that the "man" does sex "to" a woman therefore it is HIS responsibility to insure that she is a willing participant (which of course in this era of equality is ludicrous).

By the same token, the guy could also charge the women with rape since he may regret it after the fact and did she insure HE was enthusiastically consenting?