Major tsunami damage reported in northern Japan after 8.9 quake

[tboy]

I don't want it to seem like I have a thing against the japanese or anything but...

I don't want it to seem like I have a thing against the japanese or anything but...

I hear on the radio about how we should donate to the Japanese relief fund via the salvation army, the red cross etc.

Ok, now, I totally understood and sent some money for the haiti relief fund because, hell, they were piss poor to begin with and needed our help.

So, if we get 1,000,000 of our middle class (since the elite and poor won't donate a penny) and since they're asking for $5.00 each, that comes to $5,000,000.00 right?

What about these guys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_by_net_worth

If they donated $1,000,000.00 each, they'd still be filthy rich, they'd have $40M for relief, and we could donate our $5.00 to help that single mother feed her kid 2 blocks down the road....

I'm getting sick and tired of the middle class doing all the work while the top 1% light their cigars with $100.00 bills and buy $1M baseballs......(oh and build 40 storey skyscrapers for their family of 12)

 

[peace]

actually T BOy....people have to be careful about this issue. It is quite a sensitive one for Japan.

I am sure the Japanese people appreciate people's donation/generousity but they have to ask Japan if they want money from us. Apparently, Japan didn't ask for this but many of the developed nations want to get togther and help out because Japan has always given out so much in the past when a disaster struck in other countries...

 

[Bill The Pirate]

actually T BOy....people have to be careful about this issue. It is quite a sensitive one for Japan.

I am sure the Japanese people appreciate people's donation/generousity but they have to ask Japan if they want money from us. Apparently, Japan didn't ask for this but many of the developed nations want to get togther and help out because Japan has always given out so much in the past when a disaster struck in other countries...

and by the way... here's a hug

 

[Art Mann]

Right on, skiierman .... those hugs are contagious, aren't they?

 

[SillyGirl]

I hear on the radio about how we should donate to the Japanese relief fund via the salvation army, the red cross etc.

Ok, now, I totally understood and sent some money for the haiti relief fund because, hell, they were piss poor to begin with and needed our help.

So, if we get 1,000,000 of our middle class (since the elite and poor won't donate a penny) and since they're asking for $5.00 each, that comes to $5,000,000.00 right?

What about these guys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_by_net_worth

If they donated $1,000,000.00 each, they'd still be filthy rich, they'd have $40M for relief, and we could donate our $5.00 to help that single mother feed her kid 2 blocks down the road....

I'm getting sick and tired of the middle class doing all the work while the top 1% light their cigars with $100.00 bills and buy $1M baseballs......(oh and build 40 storey skyscrapers for their family of 12)

Why do you assume lower-income people won't donate?

For decades, surveys have shown that upper-income Americans don’t give away as much of their money as they might and are particularly undistinguished as givers when compared with the poor, who are strikingly generous. A number of other studies have shown that lower-income Americans give proportionally more of their incomes to charity than do upper-income Americans. In 2001, Independent Sector, a nonprofit organization focused on charitable giving, found that households earning less than $25,000 a year gave away an average of 4.2 percent of their incomes; those with earnings of more than $75,000 gave away 2.7 percent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22FOB-wwln-t.html?_r=1

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Why do you assume lower-income people won't donate?

For decades, surveys have shown that upper-income Americans don’t give away as much of their money as they might and are particularly undistinguished as givers when compared with the poor, who are strikingly generous. A number of other studies have shown that lower-income Americans give proportionally more of their incomes to charity than do upper-income Americans. In 2001, Independent Sector, a nonprofit organization focused on charitable giving, found that households earning less than $25,000 a year gave away an average of 4.2 percent of their incomes; those with earnings of more than $75,000 gave away 2.7 percent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/magazine/22FOB-wwln-t.html?_r=1

I think he was saying that the middle class shoulder most of the load by comparison.

These numbers don't really refute that.

 

[LickingGravity]

Why do you assume the wealthy don't donate ? Why are you assuming that wealthy Japanese won't donate? Seems to me you are making a bit of an unfounded leap here...

The quote below

I don't want it to seem like I have a thing against the japanese or anything but...

is reminicent of the always popular " Some of my best friends are...( insert black, jews or minority of choice) " statements.

Followed so closely after the statement in the SSG thread gives one pause

Not bad for an asian

I'm the last guy to lay down a politically correct card but are you sure you don't have a problem here?

 

[Art Mann]

Google Earth video animation of earthquake sequence around Japan

Google Earth video animation of earthquake sequence around Japan

An impersonal, yet nonetheless chilling look at what happened:

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Why do you assume the wealthy don't donate ? Why are you assuming that wealthy Japanese won't donate? Seems to me you are making a bit of an unfounded leap here...

By proportion the rich as a rule don't carry their weight.

Whether that holds true in this situation remains to be seen.

 

[brett_d]

I too find it kind of ironic that the world's 2nd largest economy would solicit funds from the international community.

 

[Melike_pussy]

Guess you guys have not heard or the Buffett/Gates charity donations. And no they are not doing it for tax right offs. They really care.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/gates-buffett-lobby-the-r_n_614376.html

 

[Melike_pussy]

Wow.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I too find it kind of ironic that the world's 2nd largest economy would solicit funds from the international community.

Agreed. They have 885.9 billion in US treasuries. They don't need monetary assistance, they need humanitarian,
and infrastructure assistance.

When they come to sell their US treasuries to fund their rebuilding, as opposed to printing their own currency, as they are doing now, it will lead to massive inflation

 

[tboy]

In 2001, Independent Sector, a nonprofit organization focused on charitable giving, found that households earning less than $25,000 a year gave away an average of 4.2 percent of their incomes; those with earnings of more than $75,000 gave away 2.7 percent.

And where are the stats for families earning more than $25K and less than $75K?

No, I don't have a problem with asians, or the Japanese for that matter. In fact, I highly prize the japanese way of life. Aka: honor, committment, their tools, and many other aspects of their culture. As for my comments about the SSG, I just don't find their women attractive. Or should I say, I don't find most of their women attractive....Lucy Liu is fricken HOT, I give her a 10/10. Flat asses, flat faces, flat chests, hairy bushes, what's there to find attractive? lol.....

As for the Gate's foundation. I love how people bring HIM up whenever anyone discusses how the rich really don't give back to society. I think he did more harm than good to the economy. Ok, there's 3 billionaires in the world who give a lot to charity. What about the hundreds of thousands of others?

You have to remember: in the US alone, 99% of the wealth and growth is held by only 1% of the population......

As for manpower, knowledge and physical assistance by rescue workers, clean up efforts, etc. I wholeheartedly agree and was proud to see our personnel directed from Austrailia to Japan to help with the SnR etc. No matter how big you are, you never have enough personnel when something like this happens. That is totally different than financial aid however.

Sorry, I will give my $5.00 to the local women's shelter before I give it to the 24th wealhiest nation on earth.....

(now remember, I'm talking dollars here, not physical assistance)

 

[tboy]

Guess you guys have not heard or the Buffett/Gates charity donations. And no they are not doing it for tax right offs. They really care.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/gates-buffett-lobby-the-r_n_614376.html

Oh, I've seen exposes on their foundations. I saw one where Melinda was going to India to teach new mothers how to care for new born babies since infant death is very high there.

I am 1000% totally against this. The country is one of the poorest on the planet and living conditions are atrocious for the poor. They should be teaching them about birth control instead of how to save babies. They don't need more babies, they need less.

 

[BlueBalls]

How many earthquakes is that. Who counted?.

 

[SillyGirl]

I think he was saying that the middle class shoulder most of the load by comparison.

These numbers don't really refute that.

I wasn't disagreeing with that. I was disagreeing with this

since the elite and poor won't donate a penny

That's why I put it in bold.

Oh, I've seen exposes on their foundations. I saw one where Melinda was going to India to teach new mothers how to care for new born babies since infant death is very high there.

I am 1000% totally against this. The country is one of the poorest on the planet and living conditions are atrocious for the poor. They should be teaching them about birth control instead of how to save babies. They don't need more babies, they need less.

I don't understand why they don't do both. Yes, birth control (information and supplies) is the more long-term, truly reformative choice. But people still need to know how to properly care for the babies who are already here.

Some days the world seems like a very sad place. :frown:

 

[tboy]

I wasn't disagreeing with that. I was disagreeing with this

That's why I put it in bold.



I don't understand why they don't do both. Yes, birth control (information and supplies) is the more long-term, truly reformative choice. But people still need to know how to properly care for the babies who are already here.

Some days the world seems like a very sad place. :frown:

Some days?

Why they don't do both...hmmm maybe they don't believe in birth control? There's lots that still don't......but personally, I think they should be focusing on feeding the babies that are there now instead of helping produce more.....

Kind of like ethiopia: each family has 6 kids because they know 5 will die of starvation. The land can only support a family with 1 kid. So instead of having 1 healthy kid and feeding and caring for it properly, they have 6. So what does the world do and has been doing for the past 30 yrs? Feed the ones that normally would die, so they can grow up and have 6 kids of their own.....the only solution is mass sterilization. I know it's harsh but it's like fighting a forest fire with a garden hose.

As for the stats on who gives what percentage. You have to make an assumption that this charitable giving is for local charities, not countries halfway around the world. For eg: if a poor family uses social services, the salvation army for eg, then it only stands to reason that they would want to give something back.

To me, giving japan money is not that much different than someone like the big 2 auto makers going to washington begging for bail out money and getting there in their private jets and limosines......Oh, and the wall street execs awarding themselves millions of dollars of taxpayer money as bonus's

 

[SillyGirl]

And where are the stats for families earning more than $25K and less than $75K?

Wasn't disagreeing with your larger point, tboy.

Ok, there's 3 billionaires in the world who give a lot to charity. What about the hundreds of thousands of others?

Are you exaggerating for effect? There aren't actually hundreds of thousands of billionaires.

Sorry, I will give my $5.00 to the local women's shelter before I give it to the 24th wealhiest nation on earth.....

Me too.

 

[RAWD]

Donations are voluntary. If you want proportionate contribution by income/wealth, make it a tax.