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tboy said:
Some days?

Why they don't do both...hmmm maybe they don't believe in birth control? There's lots that still don't......but personally, I think they should be focusing on feeding the babies that are there now instead of helping produce more.....
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Well, people do have the right to donate their money to causes that don't conflict with their beliefs.

Kind of like ethiopia: each family has 6 kids because they know 5 will die of starvation. The land can only support a family with 1 kid. So instead of having 1 healthy kid and feeding and caring for it properly, they have 6. So what does the world do and has been doing for the past 30 yrs? Feed the ones that normally would die, so they can grow up and have 6 kids of their own.....the only solution is mass sterilization. I know it's harsh but it's like fighting a forest fire with a garden hose.
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Mass sterilization. Really?

I would hope they'd try the birth-control thing first. :???:
 
SillyGirl said:
Well, people do have the right to donate their money to causes that don't conflict with their beliefs.
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Never said they didn't. You asked a question, I gave a possible reason why they didn't.

SillyGirl said:
Mass sterilization. Really?
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Can you come up with another solution to a 30 yrs overpopulation problem? I'd love to hear it....

SillyGirl said:
I would hope they'd try the birth-control thing first.
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the problem with that is, do you expect a husband, or wife, who have nothing except the clothes on their back, to carry around a box of condoms in a cool dry place in the middle of an arid desert? Or better yet, to carry around, and to remember to take, BCPs?

And if their religion is against birth control? What then? Keep having many babies who starve to death then complain to the rest of the world that we let babies starve to death......

See, I'm of the mindset that for the most part, people won't do what is necessary for their own good. Especially if it goes against tradition or their belief in an imaginary friend.....so it is at that point, doing the "right" thing supercedes all else in order to solve the problem. Obviously simply feeding the starving masses isn't solving the root problem, else it would have ended 25 yrs ago.

Anyhow, we're WAY off topic here.

here's a better solution: instead of asking me, or 5000 like me to donate $5.00 to help the japanese, have one (just one) of those billionaires NOT take his private jet to hawaii for the weekend...just once. Doesn't have to do it more than that. The cost of that flight would be the equivolent of 5000 of us donating $5.00.

That is my point: 1 person doing something that might inconvenience themselves just a little to help their fellow countrymen, something so extravagent that most of us who donate would only DREAM of ever happening in our lifetime, or one of us commoners in another country I might add, who had to work hard for that $5.00.

Now the way that I understand the economy is this: there is x amount of money going around. Take where I live in the Muskokas for eg. We have 2 industries and the rest of the economy is based upon tourism. There is no other money coming into the area. If everyone here gave away $5.00 that removes, from this economy, $50,000.00. That is 2 people gainfully employed for a year. Frankly, and some would say harshly, I would rather have those 2 people employed and contributing to the economy as opposed to being on unemployment and being a strain on the economy. As fragile as it is......

Now more appropriate for SG: I saw a report on homeless kids in LA. They interviewed a principal who said that before the crash, she had 3 kids who she knew were homeless in her school. Now? She has 245 and that is increasing at a rate of about a kid a day (or something like that).

Do you want to send your $5.00 to help the japanese or do you want to send your $5.00 to those kids in LA who are living in a van, with the other 4 members of her family? This is the thing that is really getting to me. Gates is off giving millions to india to help them, but if that's the case, he could emply every one of those parents of those kids in LA for years..........and if every billionaire did that? The economy would not only recover, but boom.....
 
tboy said:
the problem with that is, do you expect a husband, or wife, who have nothing except the clothes on their back, to carry around a box of condoms in a cool dry place in the middle of an arid desert? Or better yet, to carry around, and to remember to take, BCPs?

And if their religion is against birth control? What then? Keep having many babies who starve to death then complain to the rest of the world that we let babies starve to death......
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Ok. So if I'm understanding you correctly...in India, they should be teaching/providing birth control instead of how to take care of babies. Which I would totally agree with if "instead of" it was "in addition to."

But in Ethiopia, mass sterilization is a better option because Ethiopians can't or won't use condoms or BCP? Perhaps implants would be an option, some last for years. Or provide voluntary sterilizations, with the key word being "voluntary".

I don't disagree with you that overpopulation is a serious issue, one that requires more than feeding the hungry as a solution. I also don't pretend to know the answers to complex issues about which I don't know enough to make informed suggestions. I just find going straight to mass sterilization as an answer to be a bit extreme, that's all.


here's a better solution: instead of asking me, or 5000 like me to donate $5.00 to help the japanese, have one (just one) of those billionaires NOT take his private jet to hawaii for the weekend...just once. Doesn't have to do it more than that. The cost of that flight would be the equivolent of 5000 of us donating $5.00.

That is my point: 1 person doing something that might inconvenience themselves just a little to help their fellow countrymen, something so extravagent that most of us who donate would only DREAM of ever happening in our lifetime, or one of us commoners in another country I might add, who had to work hard for that $5.00.

Now the way that I understand the economy is this: there is x amount of money going around. Take where I live in the Muskokas for eg. We have 2 industries and the rest of the economy is based upon tourism. There is no other money coming into the area. If everyone here gave away $5.00 that removes, from this economy, $50,000.00. That is 2 people gainfully employed for a year. Frankly, and some would say harshly, I would rather have those 2 people employed and contributing to the economy as opposed to being on unemployment and being a strain on the economy. As fragile as it is......

Now more appropriate for SG: I saw a report on homeless kids in LA. They interviewed a principal who said that before the crash, she had 3 kids who she knew were homeless in her school. Now? She has 245 and that is increasing at a rate of about a kid a day (or something like that).

Do you want to send your $5.00 to help the japanese or do you want to send your $5.00 to those kids in LA who are living in a van, with the other 4 members of her family? This is the thing that is really getting to me. Gates is off giving millions to india to help them, but if that's the case, he could emply every one of those parents of those kids in LA for years..........and if every billionaire did that? The economy would not only recover, but boom.....
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Agreed. Most of my charity $$ stays local...mostly the food bank. I love it when the grocery store does the thing where you can do a donation at checkout, I do it every time.

The only international organizations I donate to are Heifer International and Afghan Hands, both because their services are of the "teach a man to fish" variety.

I no longer donate to the Red Cross or the United Way because of past financial shenanigans. It only takes once for me to decide my money would be put to better use by another organization.
 
I agree, mass sterilization is a big leap but it's a big problem that has been going on for decades. The thing is, not to sound condescending, is that it is tough to get the uneducated/illiterate to do the right thing on their own accord. Volunatarily? I can guarantee you the automatic response would be "no thanks".

Kudos to you for helping locally. I used to give monthly to sick kids hospital in toronto, even when I was unemployed and broke I still made my monthly payment...that is until they called me up asking for MORE money and then when I told them I was unemployed and broke and not to call me again, they did (call and ask for more money again).

WHich is also why I don't give money to things like "run for the cure" and "ride for the cure" etc. I think it is 80% of the funds raised go towards paying for the event, not research into the cure.
 
tboy said:
A couple of points on this nuclear issue:
2) I listened to Dick Smythe on the radio yesterday and he made a good point: After dealing with the japanese for decades, saving "face" is a major factor in their culture. He went on to say that with this mindset, any information they provide is probably downplayed extensively and the situation could actually be much worse than it is. Due to this culture, they might not let on that they can't control the situation....
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Dick Smythe makes some very good points here. The point that resonated with me was the “saving face” which is inextricably linked to Japanese culture.
 
Tboy, Japan got their bad karma when two atomic bombs were dropped on their country.

The earthquakes are a function of being in the 'rim of fire' region, no different than California having a major fault line making it susceptible to tectonic activity.
 
SillyGirl said:
Most of my charity $$ stays local...mostly the food bank. I love it when the grocery store does the thing where you can do a donation at checkout, I do it every time.

The only international organizations I donate to are Heifer International and Afghan Hands, both because their services are of the "teach a man to fish" variety.

I no longer donate to the Red Cross or the United Way because of past financial shenanigans. It only takes once for me to decide my money would be put to better use by another organization.
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Local food banks for me too, SG. Also homeless/unwed mothers' shelters ... plus World Vision ... have supported a child through World Vision since my son was a child himself ... always in his name, always a girl, since they probably get an even worse deal in the third world.

Don't know if I've ever made any real difference in this world, except to say my son is now an adult, and he continues the tradition of supporting a third-world female child, so at least I've made some impact in one little area that counts.

Starting to realize how being a proud parent can be the greatest reward in life.

I have a great deal to be humble about, but being humbled by the way my son has turned out ... well, think I'm entitled to that little bit of pride. Full disclosure: I'm sure his mom had much more to do with it, but I'd still like to take a little bit of credit.
 
Gee I didn't realize I would be giving money to a country. Silly me I thought I was giving money to the Red Cross or whomever so they could help someone who has been left homeless. I suspect I can have one less cafe latte today to donate $5 though Rodgers. Actually that's BS - if I couldn't do both I shouldn't be wasting time on the boards. One thing that this reminds me of is to give something to the food banks as I have neglected them this year because I've been doing Princess Margaret and CCS. The notion that we can't do something extra in times of crisis strikes me as mean spirited and I hope I'm never in a financial situation where I have to chose over what are relatively immaterial amounts. If I ever am in this situation and am further threatened by being in a natural disaster I certainly wouldn't be too proud to accept help from a foreigner
 
LG: you may see it as mean spirited but let me put it another way: if bill gates came to you and said he needed $5.00 to feed his kids, would you give him $5.00?

It isn't so much that we're discussing not giving, we're discussing giving to those who actually need help. ie: Haiti who didn't have a pot to piss and need help rebuilding.

I tell you what is more appropriate: I make and have a net worth about 1/1000th of what those 40 japanese billionaires have. I'll give 1/1000th of what they give.

Here's a good example: a buddy came to me once to borrow money. I said "why don't you ask your parents"? (his parents have about $4M in disposable income in the bank). His parents spend more money per week on meat alone, than my grocery budget is for 6 months.
 
Japan hopes to restore power at two crippled reactors Friday - Reuters

Japan hopes to restore power at two crippled reactors Friday - Reuters

* Work not progressing as fast as hoped; water dousing to resume Friday

* Obama says Japan situation poses no risk to any U.S. territory

* U.N. nuclear agency watchdog chief due in country with team of experts

* Police confirm 5,692 deaths and 9,522 missing; figures certain to rise

* U.S. nuclear official says reactor cooling could take weeks (Updates G7 intervention; cable; white smoke; helicopters)
 
Tboy you are one weird screwed up man. Your examples and come backs to legit comments makes me wonder where you are coming from. You have stories about everything and anything that suits your needs. I can go on with more but I won't.

I am going to sleep now but will be here tomorrow to discuss your racists fascism views. Looks like no one here is willing to step up and speak their minds about you but I will and can. Yes you do bore me with your childish immature words but maybe is best to keep you on ignore because I like this site.

Yes you are one Internet bully that will only be happy if people agree with you.
 
Outlaw said:
Tboy you are one weird screwed up man. Your examples and come backs to legit comments makes me wonder where you are coming from. You have stories about everything and anything that suits your needs. I can go on with more but I won't.

I am going to sleep now but will be here tomorrow to discuss your racists fascism views. Looks like no one here is willing to step up and speak their minds about you but I will and can. Yes you do bore me with your childish immature words but maybe is best to keep you on ignore because I like this site.

Yes you are one Internet bully that will only be happy if people agree with you.
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Wouldn't get too worked up about tboy. Everyone knows he's an insecure pussy who is so chronically ignorant he can't be taken seriously. Just treat him like a sour beer fart - put up with his stench for a quick instant, do your best to ignore how repulsive he is, then just ignore him and let him fade off harmlessly in the breeze...
 
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