Pedophiles should be locked up without any parole for life.

[WhiteLion]

So, at what point is it NOT perverted?

You lost me there. Like the old saying goes. If you cannot understand it I can't explain it.

 

[tboy]

You lost me there. Like the old saying goes. If you cannot understand it I can't explain it.

I guess I should follow your example then eh? lol.......but I will,

You say it is perverted to have sex with a 13 yr old. Is it perverted if both parties are 13? 14? 15? at what point is it no longer perverted? IYO I mean......

 

[papasmerf]

I guess I should follow your example then eh? lol.......but I will,

You say it is perverted to have sex with a 13 yr old. Is it perverted if both parties are 13? 14? 15? at what point is it no longer perverted? IYO I mean......

in reference to this case your argument is invalidated by the rapist's age.

 

[oldguyzer]

You say it is perverted to have sex with a 13 yr old. Is it perverted if both parties are 13? 14? 15? at what point is it no longer perverted? IYO I mean......

If I recall the age laws in Ontario, it's statutory rape if the male is over 18 and the female is under 16, or there is less than a two year age difference between the male and female and both are consenting. So, if you're 16 having sex with a 14 year old, it's not stat rape. I could be wrong, but that was the law a while ago.

 

[tboy]

in reference to this case your argument is invalidated by the rapist's age.

No argument, just asking for someone's opinion.

But I'll play along, in your opinion, it is ok to have sex with a 20 yr old, who has the mental capacity of a 12 yr old? I mean, they're 20 right so it's perfectly legal......

 

[papasmerf]

No argument, just asking for someone's opinion.

But I'll play along, in your opinion, it is ok to have sex with a 20 yr old, who has the mental capacity of a 12 yr old? I mean, they're 20 right so it's perfectly legal......

why would you do that?????

if you are buying into the defense that the boy was stupid you are buying into the idea of rape being acceptable.

If you are not buying into that you are saying you would have sex with a mentally deficient person and stand by their age as proof of innocence.

 

[tboy]

If I recall the age laws in Ontario, it's statutory rape if the male is over 18 and the female is under 16, or there is less than a two year age difference between the male and female and both are consenting. So, if you're 16 having sex with a 14 year old, it's not stat rape. I could be wrong, but that was the law a while ago.

So, what you're saying is that your opinion as to what is perverted or not is determined by those who wrote the laws x years ago? Do I have this right?

I will remind you of a saying I tend to live by: just because it is legal, doesn't make it right and just because it is illegal, doesn't make it wrong.

 

[tboy]

why would you do that?????

if you are buying into the defense that the boy was stupid you are buying into the idea of rape being acceptable.

If you are not buying into that you are saying you would have sex with a mentally deficient person and stand by their age as proof of innocence.

I'm not saying anything. YOU are saying that a person's age is proof of guilt or innocence, not me.......

 

[tboy]

Where on earth did you get that idea?
It is not illegal for her (a child) to have sex.
If it were an adult woman having sex with a male child the woman would be charged.

It is illegal for an adult to have sex with a child. It is the adult who gets charged .... they are the ones breaking the law.

I got that idea from the attitudes of the posters on this thead and the law as it is written........

I'll play along, what is your definition of an adult?

 

[papasmerf]

I got that idea from the attitudes of the posters on this thead and the law as it is written........

I'll play along, what is your definition of an adult?

either way is it safe to say you feel it is perfectly ok for any adult to have sex with a 13 year old?

Now if not will you clarify the grey area where you find it a good thing?

 

[tboy]

either way is it safe to say you feel it is perfectly ok for any adult to have sex with a 13 year old?

Now if not will you clarify the grey area where you find it a good thing?

Sorry, once again, YOU are the one who is stating that a person's age is the only determining factor as to guilt or innocence. So if that is true, then it is perfectly ok for anyone to have sex with a mentally handicapped person as long as they are over a certain age. THAT is YOUR definition.

If you say it is wrong for a 30 yr old to have sex with a 20 yr old who has the mental capacity of a 13 yr old, then your argument, or rationale that a person's age is the determination of guilt or innocence is wrong as well......

My point here is that a person's age is NOT the only determining factor in whether someone is guilt or innocent. Their mental capacity is also a determining factor in their guilt or innocence. In this specific case the judge looked at all the evidence, found the boy guilty, put him in youth prison, and gave him probation. Unlike those here who, as is oft the case, give a kneejerk reaction "kill the fucker"......

Once again, if you have the balls, answer this question: if the girl was 18 and the boy was 13, would you have the SAME reaction?

 

[tboy]

it has nothing to do with my definition. In this example the adult male was charged for having sex with a female child. This law is in place to protect the child. It has nothing to do with whether or not the child is male or female as you suggested here "it is illegal for a 13 yr old girl to have sex but if she does, they will only charge the boy involved...... "

It has everything to do with YOUR opinion since this forum is all about posting one's own thoughts and opinions...unless of course you're a drone that has none of her own and only has the opinions of others to determine her way in life.

1) what is your definition of an adult?
2) would it make a difference to you if the boy was 13 and the girl 18?

 

[papasmerf]

Sorry, once again, YOU are the one who is stating that a person's age is the only determining factor as to guilt or innocence. So if that is true, then it is perfectly ok for anyone to have sex with a mentally handicapped person as long as they are over a certain age. THAT is YOUR definition.

If you say it is wrong for a 30 yr old to have sex with a 20 yr old who has the mental capacity of a 13 yr old, then your argument, or rationale that a person's age is the determination of guilt or innocence is wrong as well......

My point here is that a person's age is NOT the only determining factor in whether someone is guilt or innocent. Their mental capacity is also a determining factor in their guilt or innocence. In this specific case the judge looked at all the evidence, found the boy guilty, put him in youth prison, and gave him probation. Unlike those here who, as is oft the case, give a kneejerk reaction "kill the fucker"......

Once again, if you have the balls, answer this question: if the girl was 18 and the boy was 13, would you have the SAME reaction?

I absolutely would have the same reaction.

In fact in this case I would be suggesting a careful eye on the judge and his family for pedophiles.

 

[tboy]

I absolutely would have the same reaction.

In fact in this case I would be suggesting a careful eye on the judge and his family for pedophiles.

I will play the bullshit card on this one....if I had the wherewithall to do a search on the threads where a teenage boy has had sex with a hot teacher (and there are many) I bet I'd find more than a few posts of yours saying that good on the boy for scoring with a teacher. In fact, I bet most here would say that (and have).

Yet you still haven't answered or addressed my point: YOU are only using age as a determining factor as to guilt or innocence. YOU know as well as I do that that is NOT the only determining factor. Specially when mental capacity is brought into evidence. YOU know that YOU think that someone having sex with a 20 yr old who has the mental capacity of a 13 yr old is wrong, I can tell by your posts. If that is the case then YOU also agree that mental capacity is also a determining factor in guilt or innocence therefore a person's age is NOT the only factor.

In this case it seems like the judge examined all the evidence and determined that the boy had diminished mental or maturity capacity and that there were extenuating circumstances which he took into consideration during sentencing. You all are reacting like he got off scott free which is incorrect because he didn't.

 

[papasmerf]

I will play the bullshit card on this one....if I had the wherewithall to do a search on the threads where a teenage boy has had sex with a hot teacher (and there are many) I bet I'd find more than a few posts of yours saying that good on the boy for scoring with a teacher. In fact, I bet most here would say that (and have).

Yet you still haven't answered or addressed my point: YOU are only using age as a determining factor as to guilt or innocence. YOU know as well as I do that that is NOT the only determining factor. Specially when mental capacity is brought into evidence. YOU know that YOU think that someone having sex with a 20 yr old who has the mental capacity of a 13 yr old is wrong, I can tell by your posts. If that is the case then YOU also agree that mental capacity is also a determining factor in guilt or innocence therefore a person's age is NOT the only factor.

In this case it seems like the judge examined all the evidence and determined that the boy had diminished mental or maturity capacity and that there were extenuating circumstances which he took into consideration during sentencing. You all are reacting like he got off scott free which is incorrect because he didn't.

you seem to have taken the rapist's side on this and insist on belaboring the idea that having sex with a child is alright if you have a diminished capacity.

I can no longer partake in your dance for the defense of the rapist.

 

[Shiek]

Ethically, an 18 year old should not be having sex with a minor under the age of 16. Criminally I believe that's the case as well but I need clarification on that, regardless of gender. Using religion as an excuse is not justifiable. The law applies to everyone equally.


Lets not hash over the what ifs here. We know it was not a good thing and the judge did reprimand him and he will have a record.


Can we agree on that?

 

[papasmerf]

Ethically, an 18 year old should not be having sex with a minor under the age of 16. Criminally I believe that's the case as well but I need clarification on that, regardless of gender. Using religion as an excuse is not justifiable. The law applies to everyone equally.


Lets not hash over the what ifs here. We know it was not a good thing and the judge did reprimand him and he will have a record.


Can we agree on that?

I can agree with that but disagree with the judge on his sentence.

 

[oldguyzer]

Ethically, an 18 year old should not be having sex with a minor under the age of 16. Criminally I believe that's the case as well but I need clarification on that, regardless of gender. Using religion as an excuse is not justifiable. The law applies to everyone equally.


Lets not hash over the what ifs here. We know it was not a good thing and the judge did reprimand him and he will have a record.


Can we agree on that?

Agreed. A voice of reason... :biggrin2:

 

[Jerkthis]

I have to admit as much as I'm against adults taking advantage of a young person, Tboy does make a good case for the judge. Perhaps it has to do more with the fact that the age difference is very little. If it were a 25 year old I may be more with the kill him attitude.

It's also true when we hear of a sexy teacher having her way with a male student our first reaction, especially as males is to want to pat the young man on the back. We think back to our childhood when we prayed at night we'd be seduced by the sexy grade 7 or 8 teacher. Society tells us the boys will have psychological issues, I know I wouldn't. I'd look back and be grinning from ear to ear. I believe more harm comes from society further shaming the young person but I also do agree there must be a law drawing a firm line in the sand for the safety of our children..

 

[tboy]

I have a son ... if I found out that an adult female had sex with him while he was still a child... she better run ...far and fast.

I don't know how old he is but I hope you're teaching him to check a girl's ID before getting involved with her..........