Made with Love

Pedophiles should be locked up without any parole for life.

papasmerf said:
you seem to have taken the rapist's side on this and insist on belaboring the idea that having sex with a child is alright if you have a diminished capacity.

I can no longer partake in your dance for the defense of the rapist.

See, that's the point....I don't see that a rape occurred and neither did the judge. Rightly so I might add. The only factor in determining whether a rape actually occurred or not is the basis that the girl was not able to give consent. That is the argument. I believe she DOES have the capacity to give consent and she even went so far as to admit it.

I bring this up because when I was in highschool, a classmate was charged with statutory rape when we were in grade 12. THe story went that he went to a dance at another school, met a girl, they started dating, ended up having sex, the parents found out and had him charged. His only mistake was not checking the girl's ID to see how old she was. Did he rape her? Nope, they dated for months after the sex occurred and wanted to see him even after he was charged. Her parents wouldn't allow it.

According to the kneejerk reactions here, he should have been hanged. THAT is what's wrong with kneejerk reactions.

Sheik: on the surface, yes in OUR society it is ethically wrong for an 18 yr old to have sex with a 13 yr old but whenever is the law or ethics so cut and dried? In this case, the judge determined that it wasn't cut and dried (unlike most on here as per usual) that there were extenuating circumstances and sentenced the boy to an appropriate jail term, and appropriate probation and councilling. I'm not sure of the laws up here but in doing research anyone can marry a person under 16 with some states requiring parental permission and other states requiring court approval.

Thankfully there are judges out there who DO have a modicrum of intelligence and are not simply drones to apply the law with a heavy hand.

I also think there is an issue here with the race of the boy which in and of itself is another issue all together.

In fact, I'd go so far as to send the authorities after the parents who taught this kid a distorted sense of reality. That is a pure case of child abuse if I ever saw one. In my opinion that is no different than if they sexually or physically abused him.

I wholeheartedly and unabashedly agree that using one's age to determine automatic guilt or innocence is just about as wrong as wrong can be. I have met quite a few 13 yr olds who had the maturity level of a 20 yr old and many 20 yr olds who had the maturity level of a 13 yr old. I think a person's mental or maturity capacity should be considered before rendering any sort of verdict.

I will also cite the example of where a friend of mine had twins, a boy and girl. I first met them when they were 13 and later found out the girl got into trouble because she got drunk in a bar. Yep. 13 yrs old and was served in a bar. When I first met them I would swear she was 18 or more and was shocked when I found out she was only 13. She dressed, acted and looked 18. The boy? He dressed acted and looked like he was 11 because he hadn't sprouted yet.

I will also cite the time I was standing in line at shoppers drug mart. There was this chick in front of me. She was wearing daisy dukes that showed off the bottom of her cheeks. I could see the lace thong over the waist of the shorts. She had a short crop top on and had a matching lace puch up bra. She had curly brown hair down to her shoulder blades, was wearing cfm sandals and was about 5'5" and maybe 115 lbs. 34C 22 34 or thereabouts. I was thinking HOLY crap, what a hottie....then she turned around......I could only tell by her face that she was easily 13 or 14......going on 20 I might add. And before anyone else jumps to conclusions, from the back ANY one of you would have thought the same thing seeing her from behind...none of you could have guessed that she was so young by the way she was dressed......
 
tboy....a question....How young is too young for you to consider too young for anyone
to have sex with male or female.......

We evolving towards a society where we do not have adults having their way with young people....
Yes I think it unfair that some women get away of raping young boys.....but I see many men posting
I wish I had her as a teacher.....or babysitter....or neighbour.......
But when it a girl both fathers and mothers are protective ....
In some studies they are saying young adults and 20ties are more immature than the generation before...not all but their studies are showing this.....

The law is the law......
 
Sorry bliss, but the law is NOT the law and you're naive to think that. The law is applied differently depending on your race, age, creed, status in society and wealth.

I think sexual/emotional maturity is more a determining factor than age. Age is just a number and doesn't apply the same for everyone and it is ludicrous to think it does. Jesus, since I was a teen it is a widely known fact that women mature much much faster than boys. Hell, we know nothing about this girl, for all we know she could be 13 going on 30......but once again, where were HER parents throughout all this? How the fuck can a 13 yr old make a date with an 18 yr old to go have sex in a hotel room? Where's the parental supervision????

I also think it is positively INSANE to use the word RAPE to describe consenual sex among teens. I mean hell, if the guy held her down and raped her that's one thing, but if she voluntarily went to a fricken hotel room and had sex with him, 13 or not, that is NOT rape in any sense of the imagination. Lack of judgement on both parts? hell yes...but rape? fuck no. IMO that minimizes all the torment women who are actually raped go through.......
 
So tboy if a 9 year old girl or boy was being older than their age it would be ok
to have sex with them........

If a 13 can act like a 30ty then a 9 can act like a 25 year old....In your point it
not the age but the mental age......So genius kids you are in college when they are
10 or 11 can have sex with 30 to 40 year old and if the are 4 or 5 years of age in high school then they
can have sex with 18 to 20 year old
 
Sexual predators will always find an excuse for what they do.

In this case it appears the judge liked the excuse and while bound by law to hand down a sentence, was able to negate the law.
 
Blissful said:
So tboy if a 9 year old girl or boy was being older than their age it would be ok
to have sex with them........

If a 13 can act like a 30ty then a 9 can act like a 25 year old....In your point it
not the age but the mental age......So genius kids you are in college when they are
10 or 11 can have sex with 30 to 40 year old and if the are 4 or 5 years of age in high school then they
can have sex with 18 to 20 year old

The point is the dummy in question and yes I will call him a dummy was only 18. One needs to be 19 too drink in Ontario.
 
papasmerf said:
Sexual predators will always find an excuse for what they do.

In this case it appears the judge liked the excuse and while bound by law to hand down a sentence, was able to negate the law.

Since this happened in the U.K., what exactly is the law in regards to this type of a situation?
 
Transient said:
Since this happened in the U.K., what exactly is the law in regards to this type of a situation?


that was addressed in the original post
a normal sentence or 4 to 7 years would be called for.
 
Blissful said:
So tboy if a 9 year old girl or boy was being older than their age it would be ok
to have sex with them........

If a 13 can act like a 30ty then a 9 can act like a 25 year old....In your point it
not the age but the mental age......So genius kids you are in college when they are
10 or 11 can have sex with 30 to 40 year old and if the are 4 or 5 years of age in high school then they
can have sex with 18 to 20 year old

Yup, you've gone off the deep end again lol....ummm 4 or 5 yr old in highschool? what have you been smoking lol......for one thing, intelligence is not necessarily an indicator of maturity. I went to school with some extremely intelligent guys who wouldn't know what to do with a pussy if it didn't come with a training manual.

One thing most here state is "oh so you're saying it is ok to have sex with a...." yeah it IS ok to have sex with a.....but who are you saying is having the sex with a? You? me? a 10 yr old? a 15 yr old? a 30 yr old? As I stated, and if you read the entire thread, yes, it is OK for two 10 yr olds to have sex if they are emotionally mature enough to want to (as long as it is safe and consensual). Yes, it is ok for a emotionally mature 13 yr old to have sex with a comparitively emotionally mature male and it doesn't matter WHAT the age difference is if they have court approval (as I mentioned in a previous post).

And since you are prone to do, let me clarify: I am citing emotional maturity is as an important factor as age. Many (most?) here are fixating on age only yet I have proven that it is not only age that is a determining factor. I mean hell, in some parts of the world a woman is an old maid when she's 16....

Now let's not get so caught up in extremes. The case in point here is of an emotionally retarded 18 yr old teenager having consensual sex with an unknown 13 yr old. Should the kid go to jail? yup and he is in jail. Should he get probation after his jail term? Yes and he did. Should he get councilling so as to learn what he did was wrong? yes and he will. But to hang him or shoot him or ??? is wrong in just about every way......
 
papasmerf said:
that was addressed in the original post
a normal sentence or 4 to 7 years would be called for.

Reading a little of their laws online it appears that harm caused to the victim and the chances of the offender recommitting the crime can be taken into account.
 
Transient said:
Reading a little of their laws online it appears that harm caused to the victim and the chances of the offender recommitting the crime can be taken into account.


call me old fashioned but when I was 18 the mantra was Five short minutes of love can cost you 20 long years in jail. And back in the day they put you under the jail.
 
papasmerf said:
Sexual predators will always find an excuse for what they do.

In this case it appears the judge liked the excuse and while bound by law to hand down a sentence, was able to negate the law.

thank god you're not a judge....I know I'm repeating myself but the same could be said for any law....

For eg: a woman is physically and emotionally abused by her husband for years. She finally has enough and shoots him while he was asleep. According to you, she should be hanged immediately and if any judge doesn't order the death penalty, he should be dealth with accordingly.

As with many cases like this, and the case we're discussing here, extenuating circumstances are taken into consideration and while the woman may be found guilty of murder, she isn't sentenced to death or a long prison term.

Once again, thankfully this judge used his head, examined all the evidence and applied a reasonable sentence......
 
papasmerf said:
call me old fashioned but when I was 18 the mantra was Five short minutes of love can cost you 20 long years in jail. And back in the day they put you under the jail.

That depends on where you are. Here in the states yes, but the laws are different everywhere. And no, papasmerf, do not take this to the absurd by stating I am defending the criminal. Just trying to understand what the law is where the offense was committed.
 
papasmerf said:
call me old fashioned but when I was 18 the mantra was Five short minutes of love can cost you 20 long years in jail. And back in the day they put you under the jail.

thankfully society has progressed past that.....to use your excuse, they used to hang people who stole cattle....so in today's society if you steal a car you should be hanged as well.....it was wrong then and it is wrong now.....

and the saying when I was in school was 15 will get you 20. According to you, if I am 17 and a girl I meet is 15 and we have consensual sex, I deserve to be locked up for 20 yrs......THANK GOD YOU'RE NOT A JUDGE OR A COP OR A POLITICIAN
 
tboy said:
thankfully society has progressed past that.....to use your excuse, they used to hang people who stole cattle....so in today's society if you steal a car you should be hanged as well.....it was wrong then and it is wrong now.....

and the saying when I was in school was 15 will get you 20. According to you, if I am 17 and a girl I meet is 15 and we have consensual sex, I deserve to be locked up for 20 yrs......THANK GOD YOU'RE NOT A JUDGE OR A COP OR A POLITICIAN

or her father
Because you can bet your Immortal Soul you would request the maximum sentence for your crime when you plead guilty.
 
papasmerf said:
or her father
Because you can bet your Immortal Soul you would request the maximum sentence for your crime when you plead guilty.

eh? what the hell are you talking about willis?
 
Transient said:
That depends on where you are. Here in the states yes, but the laws are different everywhere. And no, papasmerf, do not take this to the absurd by stating I am defending the criminal. Just trying to understand what the law is where the offense was committed.

I understand where you are coming from.

Would you say that since the judge seems to think this man has some diminished capacity and did not see what he was doing was wrong. It would have been appropriate to put him under some sort of mental health care. Until such time he was deemed able to function in society?
 
PS, so playing the if "game", if a 17 year old male or female engaged in consensual sex with your 15 year old daughter (no offence meant to your real daughter, it's only a what if) you would end their life? If the answer is yes, that is just wrong and you would be also convicted by the law.
 
Jerkthis said:
PS, so playing the if "game", if a 17 year old male or female engaged in consensual sex with your 15 year old daughter (no offence meant to your real daughter, it's only a what if) you would end their life? If the answer is yes, that is just wrong and you would be also convicted by the law.

now at anytime did I say that?
 
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