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Baz said:
The argument always has been, as I'm sure you are aware, that nothing is "incurable" as "science" may magically come up with a wonderful cure before a person expires of natural causes. This is, of course, bullshit because even if I came up with a wonderdrug tomorrow, I would not be allowed to give it to anyone in Canada or the US until after extensive clinical trials and millions spent in testing. But, that's the argument.
FWIW, I've never seen that happen, nor know of any case where it has, anywhere.
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How to end a life? Canada can look abroad for guidance as it seeks best method for assisted suicide
Family doctor David Grube helped end the lives of about 30 patients while caring for the people of Philomath, Oregon. There’s no gasping, the rural doctor says of the patients as they pass. “There’s no moaning or groaning,’’ he says. ‘‘The person might say a few goodbyes, or thank-you’s, and then just falls asleep.”
For those deaths, Grube either wrote a prescription for a lethal overdose of drugs, or acted as a consulting doctor in their suicides. He and other proponents believe state-sanctioned, doctor-assisted dying offers people suffering intolerably a more gentle exit. But death does not always come easily. Patients have regurgitated the lethal drugs, or “re-awakened” after swallowing them. In some cases, the time between “ingestion” and “expiry” has taken far longer than anticipated.
Now, as Canada braces for legalized assisted dying, the nation’s medical leaders are looking for clarity for doctors prepared to perform this most difficult task: what is the most humane way to take a life?
Some say the method physicians find most distasteful — death by lethal injection — may offer a safer, faster and more certain death. But doctors say the idea of actively putting patients to death by their own needle is antithetical to everything they were trained to do. Others who have delivered a lethal injection say it is not about stopping a heart beating, but about euthanizing suffering.
“When I’ve done it, I’ve never felt like I was killing someone, that’s why I don’t like the world ‘killed,’” Dr. Rob Jonquiere, former chief executive officer of the Dutch Right to Die Society, says in an interview from his home in Amsterdam. “I always saw it, and most of my colleagues will see it, as terminating the suffering of a patient.”
Leaders of the Canadian Medical Association are turning to European and U.S. jurisdictions that have legalized doctor-hastened death as they begin to wrap their minds around the sheer practicalities and technical aspects. “Doctors who are going to participate in this are going to want to know, ‘What drugs do I use, at what doses? How do I administer,’” says Dr. Jeff Blackmer, the CMA’s director of ethics and professional affairs.
Family doctor David Grube helped end the lives of about 30 patients while caring for the people of Philomath, Oregon. There’s no gasping, the rural doctor says of the patients as they pass. “There’s no moaning or groaning,’’ he says. ‘‘The person might say a few goodbyes, or thank-you’s, and then just falls asleep.”
For those deaths, Grube either wrote a prescription for a lethal overdose of drugs, or acted as a consulting doctor in their suicides. He and other proponents believe state-sanctioned, doctor-assisted dying offers people suffering intolerably a more gentle exit. But death does not always come easily. Patients have regurgitated the lethal drugs, or “re-awakened” after swallowing them. In some cases, the time between “ingestion” and “expiry” has taken far longer than anticipated.
Now, as Canada braces for legalized assisted dying, the nation’s medical leaders are looking for clarity for doctors prepared to perform this most difficult task: what is the most humane way to take a life?
Some say the method physicians find most distasteful — death by lethal injection — may offer a safer, faster and more certain death. But doctors say the idea of actively putting patients to death by their own needle is antithetical to everything they were trained to do. Others who have delivered a lethal injection say it is not about stopping a heart beating, but about euthanizing suffering.
“When I’ve done it, I’ve never felt like I was killing someone, that’s why I don’t like the world ‘killed,’” Dr. Rob Jonquiere, former chief executive officer of the Dutch Right to Die Society, says in an interview from his home in Amsterdam. “I always saw it, and most of my colleagues will see it, as terminating the suffering of a patient.”
Leaders of the Canadian Medical Association are turning to European and U.S. jurisdictions that have legalized doctor-hastened death as they begin to wrap their minds around the sheer practicalities and technical aspects. “Doctors who are going to participate in this are going to want to know, ‘What drugs do I use, at what doses? How do I administer,’” says Dr. Jeff Blackmer, the CMA’s director of ethics and professional affairs.
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Films, Made for TV Dramas, TV Documentaries and Videos Dealing with Dying and Euthanasia
https://www.finalexit.org/assisted_suicide_in_the_movies.html
https://www.finalexit.org/assisted_suicide_in_the_movies.html
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Prim0 said:
the question becomes: Do you have the right to ask for help killing yourself.
Assisted Suicide means you load the gun, place in the victims hands and helps hold it steadily against their head..............All they need do is pull the trigger.
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Right to Die, what is your take on it?.
Like abortion, the issue of physician-assisted suicide is divisive, controversial — and explosive.
But it’s one this country has to face.
In February, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down our century-old law forbidding physician-assisted suicide as unconstitutional.
That decision was suspended for a year to allow the nation’s federal and provincial governments to consult on the issue. Quebec is dealing with its own court case. The feds have their panel.
Ontario Health Minister Eric Hoskins announced Friday this province will lead talks on behalf of the provinces and appointed a panel to lead the consultation.
The advisory group will be co-chaired by Dr. Jennifer Gibson, of U of T’s Centre for Bioethics and Maureen Taylor, journalist, physician assistant and the widow of Dr. Donald Low.
It was Low’s tragic death of a brain tumour in 2013 and his impassioned plea to die with dignity that accelerated the assisted suicide debate.
While we agree that the terminally ill who choose to be released from their suffering should be allowed to do so, we urge caution.
Vulnerable communities, such as the disabled and the developmentally challenged, may not be able to speak for themselves. Who will make those decisions for them?
In his 2012 report on Ontario’s finance, economist Don Drummond urged families to have, “end of life” discussions with their families and doctors — not from a humane standpoint, but as a way of saving money.
Cost should be the last concern when it comes to medically terminating a life. The first should be the patient’s wishes and the relief of suffering.
Hospitals should respect the wishes of families who do not want to prematurely pull the plug on loved ones.
As well, physicians’ rights must be respected. No doctor should be forced to participate in an assisted suicide if it contravenes his or her moral, ethical or religious beliefs.
The Baby Boom generation defined the way they lived. Now, as they age, they will surely define the way we die.
Finding a path that respects the views of everyone will be difficult. It will take courage.
And it is critical to get it right.
Like abortion, the issue of physician-assisted suicide is divisive, controversial — and explosive.
But it’s one this country has to face.
In February, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down our century-old law forbidding physician-assisted suicide as unconstitutional.
That decision was suspended for a year to allow the nation’s federal and provincial governments to consult on the issue. Quebec is dealing with its own court case. The feds have their panel.
Ontario Health Minister Eric Hoskins announced Friday this province will lead talks on behalf of the provinces and appointed a panel to lead the consultation.
The advisory group will be co-chaired by Dr. Jennifer Gibson, of U of T’s Centre for Bioethics and Maureen Taylor, journalist, physician assistant and the widow of Dr. Donald Low.
It was Low’s tragic death of a brain tumour in 2013 and his impassioned plea to die with dignity that accelerated the assisted suicide debate.
While we agree that the terminally ill who choose to be released from their suffering should be allowed to do so, we urge caution.
Vulnerable communities, such as the disabled and the developmentally challenged, may not be able to speak for themselves. Who will make those decisions for them?
In his 2012 report on Ontario’s finance, economist Don Drummond urged families to have, “end of life” discussions with their families and doctors — not from a humane standpoint, but as a way of saving money.
Cost should be the last concern when it comes to medically terminating a life. The first should be the patient’s wishes and the relief of suffering.
Hospitals should respect the wishes of families who do not want to prematurely pull the plug on loved ones.
As well, physicians’ rights must be respected. No doctor should be forced to participate in an assisted suicide if it contravenes his or her moral, ethical or religious beliefs.
The Baby Boom generation defined the way they lived. Now, as they age, they will surely define the way we die.
Finding a path that respects the views of everyone will be difficult. It will take courage.
And it is critical to get it right.
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I believe in abortion and I believe we all should have the right to choose how we die. We certainly make that choice for other beings,and feel that is our right! why not ourselves. I'll never understand the mind set of those who think human life as being superior to all others, and being so, should be revered and "kept going" at all costs. We're all here for a specific reason, for a specific time. Perhaps instead of trying to find ways of prolonging life we should be learning how to live it better and to be more accepting towards death.
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cristycurves said:
One of the smartest sentence I've read in a long time.
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I have used it a couple times.........and I used my rights as a Hindustani in the Turtle Is-Land of Immigrants to become reborn and reincarnated..
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MisterSpicyChocolate said:
:don'twantto-see:/
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Goodfella said:
I recently saw a news article about a woman who'd worked in palliative care. After many years of watching her patients die slow, painful deaths, and seeing how their families suffered, she knew she didn't want her life to end like that.
So she took off to Switzerland for an assisted suicide when she was still relatively young (in her early 80's) and in good health.
Her widowed husband said he supported her decision and understood why she did it.
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I think this is a step in the right direction. It seems almost absurd that a person should have to ask permission or fight for their right to be out of pain and choose medical assisted suicide. Sometimes there are benefits to having governments and laws, and sometimes it's just unnecessary bureaucracy that gets in the way. I've read a few articles about people who had to move to other states in the USA where it was legal just so they could go out in peace and stop their pain. I think governments should focus more on the protocols being followed by doctors performing these procedures to ensure they're only working on people as requested.
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