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Sex-crime victim could be jailed for tweeting her attackers' names

I will however fight for your right to be an idiot, Baz. Please take a nice long walk in the Jane and Finch area. I have the perfect protection for you.

Sandwich boards are great protection
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The way you're acting it seems that you think she SHOULD go out tomorrow and get drunk and pass out yet again.......


okay .... she should be ABLE to do so without getting abused by two kids. The lesson she should be learning is not to abuse alcohol and to be more careful with her personal security. What she is learning is that the justice system is wrong.
 
Bazo...you are an adult, I hope you know right from wrong....
Some teenagers....well....
 
okay .... she should be ABLE to do so without getting abused by two kids. The lesson she should be learning is not to abuse alcohol and to be more careful with her personal security. What she is learning is that the justice system is wrong.

I think that what she has learned is that lots of people are douchebags, the justice system WON'T protect the victim (which never has been true), and that you have to be responsible for your own safety.
 
Exactly and unfortunately it is quite pathetic that people often blame the victims for being "victimized." It is a wonder why many criminals often get away with their abusive behaviours. Thus, we, innocents and victims, have to defend ourselves as best as we can. Yet when we do it, we get penalized for it.
 
I think that what she has learned is that lots of people are douchebags, the justice system WON'T protect the victim (which never has been true), and that you have to be responsible for your own safety.

bingo, jesus gets it, why is it so hard for others to understand?

as for "blaming the victim"....I think as with many terms these days, it too is being overused and IMO abused. To say the kid was wrong for getting so drunk she passed out is "blaming the victim" is an abuse of that term.

To use Baz's example, riding a bicycle on the 401....I think we all could say that if someone did that, and got hit by a car, that they shouldn't have done that..right? That isn't blaming the victim but just pointing out that maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

As others have said, we've all done stupid things when we were kids.....and most of us have learned by those mistakes.....Unfortunately it is more dangerous now for kids to get drunk and pass out than it was when I was a kid (or younger). Back then, the worst that might happen is you'd get your hand put in a bowl of warm water or wake up with whipped cream on your face. Now, you might get your eyebrows shaved, your pants pulled down and the pics posted online.....

And yes, we DO have to be MORE responsible for OUR safety...that IS the lesson to be learned....
 
"Back then, the worst that might happen is you'd get your hand put in a bowl of warm water or wake up with whipped cream on your face. "

...happened to me. lol and at another time, while being intoxicated and very sleepy, i was carried by some "nice" friends who decided to drop me off alone in an elevator. I dont know how long I stayed there.
 
"Back then, the worst that might happen is you'd get your hand put in a bowl of warm water or wake up with whipped cream on your face. "

...happened to me. lol and at another time, while being intoxicated and very sleepy, i was carried by some "nice" friends who decided to drop me off alone in an elevator. I dont know how long I stayed there.

Did a little old blue colored man come into the elevator, feel you up and then walk awayÉ , not again. My question mark is gone again ÉÉÉÉÉÉ WTF, ÉÉÉÉÉ I want my question mark back
 
He wasn't saying that and I'm surprized that you would jump to that conclusion........thought you were smarter than that. Saying someone might not walk backwards on the 401 and getting hit after getting hit isn't blaming them, just saying they might think twice about doing it in the future......


Perhaps I was a little quicker to jump on Baz because it's Baz and his track record on here has been less than impressive. I do see the point of one being responsible and not putting themselves in compromising situations but regardless what they did was wrong and they have to pay for it.

Baz is another story but I could easily be bought if he'd arrange a date between Linda and myself!:biggrin2:
 
I think a lot of you have forgotten what it is like to be a teenager or think like
one.......Nothing can hurt you, yes some are slower, and if you don't get caught
well.....
When I grew up there was drinking....there was parties...it was easier for a guy to rape
a girl.....without her knowing it because there was no Cell Phones to show your friends and
the rest of the population......So you either would not know or if you did you, as a girl, would
suck it up ........
Now we are saying to boys they are responsible if they do this.....A girl should be able to
pass out where ever, just like a boy....If they are allow to post this then she should be able
to post her feelings towards these boys....
Yes time has changed.....and most of us really do not remember being a teen or we want to
feel we were smarter back then when we were not......
 
Times may have changed, but I don't see where they've changed to the point that a girl or guy who drinks too much has therefore asked to be assaulted and for photos to be taken and posted on the internet. In the past, and even today, I would think that the 'lesson' to be learned is supposed to be in the hangover the next day.

I guess I am wrong tho. Apparently if a girl drinks too much and passes out (assuming she wasn't drugged to ensure that?) that means she just has to smile and put up with it all. Boys will be boys, and after all she must have asked for it because after all, she decided to go to a party and have a drink. Gosh darn it, and here I thought that rape, assault and distribution of sexual photos of underage teenagers were the things that would be considered against the law and reprehensible.

But according to t, there, those are simply what she should have expected, having taken a drink too many amongs her friends and acquaintences. Hey, remind me to never drink around him, because I guess he will consider that the equivalent of me 'asking' for the same treatment?

Of course these guys plead guilty. They RECORDED the entire thing. But that doesn't make them idiots, it makes them criminals. They aren't children, they are teenagers who know full well what they did was wrong, but did it anyway. They didn't steal a car and crash it into a tree, they didn't throw someone into the pool to sober up, they didn't have a loud party, they sexually assaulted, filmed, and posted the encounter on the internet without her consent, without her knowledge and without any concern or thought about what they were doing. And that is typical of what some young men are capable of today.

Because they could do it, they did it. Keep your attention on the criminals, not the victim. She could have been sober, and fell asleep because she was tired, and they would have done the same thing, believe me.

I didn't see any mention of them distributing child pornography, but they are also guilty of that.
 
I didn't see any mention of them distributing child pornography, but they are also guilty of that.

That is an excellent point you've made there. I wonder if they have to register as sex offenders?
 
shadow sun once again, as with others, jump to conclusions....no wait, he didn't jump, he built a ramp, got in a supercharged dodge, and backed up 200 feet and went screaming down the track and hit the ramp at 200 mph lol...

dude, get it through your thick skull,

AT NO TIME DID ANYONE SAY THAT IT WAS PERMISSIBLE TO ASSAULT SOMEONE WHO IS PASSED OUT.

ok, got it finally? good.........

What we DID say however is drinking underage, drinking to the point where you pass out and drinking to the point where you pass out IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AT ANYTIME.....

or maybe you're saying that doing all that IS a good idea...is that what you're saying? That she should go out this weekend and do it again?Hmmmmmm
 
btw, I don't know if the laws are different state to state but yes, if they did post nude photos of her online they can be charged and convicted of distributing child porn. 60 minutes did a segment on this whereby a girl sent her boyfriend naughty pics of herself and he sent them to his friends...he was charged with distributing child porn......I think they were 15 though...not sure if their age has anything to do with it.....
 
T, I believe ShadowSun is a woman not a dude.

I was watching the clip in Esco's thread. The one with the Bulls running through the city goring and bulldozing through the crowd. Now let me ask you, is anyone going to be charged or sued? The answer is no because all the injured people put themselves in that situation participating in the running of the bulls. Now what the teen-agers did was wrong but their biggest error was putting it on the net and exposing themselves to the public. The truth right or wrong, if they just had felt up the young lady and kept their mouths shut they would have very easily got away with it.
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T, I believe ShadowSun is a woman not a dude.

I was watching the clip in Esco's thread. The one with the Bulls running through the city goring and bulldozing through the crowd. Now let me ask you, is anyone going to be charged or sued? The answer is no because all the injured people put themselves in that situation participating in the running of the bulls. Now what the teen-agers did was wrong but their biggest error was putting it on the net and exposing themselves to the public. The truth right or wrong, if they just had felt up the young lady and kept their mouths shut they would have very easily got away with it.
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The biggest error is not posting it, which is totally disgusting....The Biggest Error was raping
the girl..........Just because she is passed out does not mean she is willing.......
If a guy did this to another guy, you guys would be all over this.......

On a fishing trip with a pal of yours....you get drunk pass out and wake up naked
with your ass hurting.....and your pal is beside you .....that ok, right.....
 
T, I believe ShadowSun is a woman not a dude.

I was watching the clip in Esco's thread. The one with the Bulls running through the city goring and bulldozing through the crowd. Now let me ask you, is anyone going to be charged or sued? The answer is no because all the injured people put themselves in that situation participating in the running of the bulls. Now what the teen-agers did was wrong but their biggest error was putting it on the net and exposing themselves to the public. The truth right or wrong, if they just had felt up the young lady and kept their mouths shut they would have very easily got away with it.
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that explains a lot actually....we all know if a man dares to say that a woman in some way made a mistake, a lot of women automatically get their panties in a knot over it.......

remember the "slut" comment by the cop?

But this also brings to mind the hypocrasy of women who wear revealing clothes, low cut tops, then get pissed off at a guy for looking.......

Sorry sun, the girl erred by getting drunk and passing out. EOS.

BTW: as for bliss's example....has anyone seen the movie "hangover 2"? I watched it last night and I bet 99% of the people who watched it laughed at the part where stu realized he got fucked in the ass by a tranny stripper......hypocrasy?
 
It's kind of like what a ref says to boxers before a fight...''Protect yourself at all times''

With the different type of ''rape'' drugs available these days and an abundance of predators looking for ready prey.

It is incumbent on all of us to make sure we don't give these sickos any advantage to violate us.

That being said it's sometimes near impossible to determine who you can trust and who you can't.

Sometimes we find out the hard way unfortunately.
 
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