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Sex-crime victim could be jailed for tweeting her attackers' names

It's kind of like what a ref says to boxers before a fight...''Protect yourself at all times''

With the different type of ''rape'' drugs available these days and an abundance of predators looking for ready prey.

It is incumbent on all of us to make sure we don't give these sickos any advantage to violate us.

That being said it's sometimes near impossible to determine who you can trust and who you can't.

Sometimes we find out the hard way unfortunately.

I think you hit the nail on the head.....the neighbourhood I grew up in, if you didn't watch your back at all times, you were likely to get fucked up on the way to school.....Nowadays, in the 'burbs, I think kids are born with a, I dunno, false sense of security maybe? Maybe they read all these stories, see the news etc and think "that'll never happen to me" yet when it does, they're surprised.

I'll give you an example: A buddy of mine was living with a woman and she had a couple of teenage kids. The boy (13 at the time) was po'd because he took his bike away..why? Because the idiot took the brakes off.....I mean, I did some stupid things when I was younger but nothing so idiotic.....

Shadowsun is a prime example of the attitude that is only compounding the problem. The minute anyone said the young lady erred she gets all defensive. Sorry, but the young lady fucked up. Let's call a spade a spade and at least admit that.

And before anyone else goes off the deep end, drinking underage is wrong. Period. No ifs ands or buts. DOesn't matter if 1 kid does it or 100,000. Face it, if she hadn't been drinking, this wouldn't have happened. The key to surviving unscathed is to present as little a target as possible.......
 
It's kind of like what a ref says to boxers before a fight...''Protect yourself at all times''

With the different type of ''rape'' drugs available these days and an abundance of predators looking for ready prey.

It is incumbent on all of us to make sure we don't give these sickos any advantage to violate us.

That being said it's sometimes near impossible to determine who you can trust and who you can't.

Sometimes we find out the hard way unfortunately.

That is unfortunately an accurate assessment of the way things are, although I'm not sure who the "we" is you're referring to at the end.

If you are female, you are prey. Wherever you are, whoever you're with, whatever you're doing...you don't have the luxury of feeling safe, because you are not. And if you let your guard down for an instant and get raped, society won't blame the man who raped you. It will blame you for letting your guard down in the first place. Apparently, men are considered so incapable of self-control that they are not to be held responsible for committing assaults if the opportunity presents itself.

I live in a first-floor apartment. Sometimes I sleep with my windows open. If someone comes in my window and rapes me, I won't even bother to report it. Because I know whose fault it will be considered to be. He didn't rape me...I got myself raped, because I made the mistake of feeling safe.

Shame on me.
 
. . . Sorry, but the young lady fucked up. Let's call a spade a spade and at least admit that. .....

Point well made and well taken, but valid only in context of the other half of the story.

Sorry, but the young men fucked up. Let's call a spade a spade and at least admit that.
 
The example of leaving the window open SillyG and being raped. The purp will be charged and convicted no doubt! It's black and white but let me ask you this.

If the police put out a warning that a rapist is in your neighbourhood and you still slept with your window open. Would you blame people if they were of the opinion you had some blame in the matter. He would still be charged and convicted but do you not believe that an accusation of stupidity would be warranted against the victim?

I don't think anyone is excusing the boys at all but as smart reasoning individuals we have to be in control of our surroundings as much as humanly possible.
 
The example of leaving the window open SillyG and being raped. The purp will be charged and convicted no doubt! It's black and white but let me ask you this.

If the police put out a warning that a rapist is in your neighbourhood and you still slept with your window open. Would you blame people if they were of the opinion you had some blame in the matter. He would still be charged and convicted but do you not believe that an accusation of stupidity would be warranted against the victim?

I don't think anyone is excusing the boys at all but as smart reasoning individuals we have to be in control of our surroundings as much as humanly possible.


I wouldn't sleep with the windows open if there was a police warning about a rapist in my neighborhood.

But even without a warning, I'm quite sure I would be blamed for the windows being open. Seriously, I wouldn't bother to report it.
 
If you are female, you are prey. Wherever you are, whoever you're with, whatever you're doing...you don't have the luxury of feeling safe, because you are not. And if you let your guard down for an instant and get raped, society won't blame the man who raped you. It will blame you for letting your guard down in the first place. Apparently, men are considered so incapable of self-control that they are not to be held responsible for committing assaults if the opportunity presents itself.
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This isn't about attaching blame to the victim. It's about making wise decisions so as not to be in a situation that could potentially be disastrous.

The perpetrators of these sexual assaults look for their opportunities and I say why give it to them.

And to be honest I would never sleep or leave the house with my windows open.

Too me that is just an invitation for the criminal element to strike.
 
I don't worry about prowlers in my neighborhood. For starters I am a light sleeper, I have a big dog and I am armed.

Living in the country doesn't hurt either. One time when I was between dogs I heard a noise in my front yard (my house is 150 feet back from the road) so I got up walked from the back to the front to find someone at my front door looking in.

Jamaicans run really fast when they hear the sound of a hammer pulled back.
 
Point well made and well taken, but valid only in context of the other half of the story.

Sorry, but the young men fucked up. Let's call a spade a spade and at least admit that.

not once did anyone excuse the guys who did the crime....why is everyone jumping to that conclusion?

To be more specific, this thread IS centered around the young lady and the possibility of her getting sent to jail, not so much on the guys who committed the crime. Really though, the only ones who are insinuating that the guys didn't do wrong are the ladies......oh, and the poster who said their mistake was posting the pics online. For one, I specifically stated that they probably could be charged with distributing child porn and wondered why they weren't.
 
That is unfortunately an accurate assessment of the way things are, although I'm not sure who the "we" is you're referring to at the end.

If you are female, you are prey. Wherever you are, whoever you're with, whatever you're doing...you don't have the luxury of feeling safe, because you are not. And if you let your guard down for an instant and get raped, society won't blame the man who raped you. It will blame you for letting your guard down in the first place. Apparently, men are considered so incapable of self-control that they are not to be held responsible for committing assaults if the opportunity presents itself.

I live in a first-floor apartment. Sometimes I sleep with my windows open. If someone comes in my window and rapes me, I won't even bother to report it. Because I know whose fault it will be considered to be. He didn't rape me...I got myself raped, because I made the mistake of feeling safe.

Shame on me.

1) The we he was referring to is all of us. Not just women. Yes, unfortunately women DO have to be more careful than men. This isn't excusing the predators in our society, but to ignore the fact that they exist is, imo, asking for trouble.

Here's a story from my past: I was living with a young lady. She'd go out once or twice a week with girlfriends and come home late, using around 11. We lived about 7 blocks from the subway/bus station closest to our apartment. The way to get to the station is via side streets, parking lots and through other apartment building property. This was at the time when the scarborough rapist was in action......the police warned women to not travel alone, not travel at night on foot, and stay in well lit populated areas....

This girl refused to do any of the above.......There are always a dozen cabs at this station, it'd cost less than $5.00 to take a cab, I even said to her CALL me, I'd pop over and pick her up, but nope, she'd never do any of that......I got pissed at her, her family got pissed at her, even her girlfriends got pissed at her.

Yeah, her actions IMO were inviting trouble.....

2) You know my feelings about a single women taking a ground floor apartment in a questionable neighbourhood.....if you feel you need a handgun and a guard dog, you made a very stupid decision

3) No, you won't be blamed for letting your guard down for a minute......you can however be held accountable if you do something that invites attack. The best example I can think of is: if a guy gets plastered out of his head, goes into a hell's angels bar and yells out at the top of his lungs that harley davidson's suck and all bikers are fags........the equivolent of that would be if a woman got totally smashed and went wandering around half naked in the wrong part of town.

There was a story in the paper a few years ago and over at "the other board" I got into trouble for stating she was an idiot. What did she do? She got stinking drunk, came home at 3 am (I think it was 2 or 3 am) and instead of taking the elevator to her 3rd floor apartment, she took the stairs.....she got attacked. Sorry, that was stupid, dumb, and she was asking for trouble. Hell, I DON'T/DIDN'T take the stairs at 3 am......

The thing is, women are susceptible to being victims more than men. That's a fact of life. What we are all trying to say is that it is bad that our society is this way that people who would do others harm walk our streets. That's life in a free society. Unfortunately, women have to take steps to protect themselves at all times. This involves not putting themselves in positions that are obviously perilous. They shouldn't travel the streets alone, especially at night. They should choose living quarters that will provide maximum protection. etc etc.

I mean hell, when I went on dates and dropped them off at their apartment, I'd either walk them to their door (the apartment door) or have them call me when they got into their apartment........If I'M that careful, why shouldn't they be?
 
Reread the story......the focus is the right of the teenage girl to express and write about
what happened to her.....the young men have posted her pics....she is the victim...
There is no discussion in the story about her drinking and she should be responsible for drinking
with friends.....If this was your daughter, sister or Mother, you would be up in arms for her to
be able to express herself........

Right away some of you men have focus on this teenage girl......her drinking and ran with
that...then you say that what the story is focus on....NO IT IS NOT.......
 
Reread the story......the focus is the right of the teenage girl to express and write about
what happened to her.....the young men have posted her pics....she is the victim...
There is no discussion in the story about her drinking and she should be responsible for drinking
with friends.....If this was your daughter, sister or Mother, you would be up in arms for her to
be able to express herself........

Right away some of you men have focus on this teenage girl......her drinking and ran with
that...then you say that what the story is focus on....NO IT IS NOT.......

sorry, the girl IS the topic of this thread.......the conversation turned to include the situation whereby this whole scenario took place.........when some posters chose to argue that she shouldn't learn anything by this situation.......
 
Don't you think it a given fact that she has learned something......
What do you think.......Yes the story is about her and the fact she
can not post her feelings or even express herself on line......

What the hell.....So we can all focus on boys driving fast hitting a tree
dying ......Well let focus on that.....well do you think they learned a lesson...
Or guns....a kid shoots another by accident....well do you think they learned a
lesson......

As a woman the lesson I learn from her is that when you are a victim with guys
even a young teenage girl......9and you can not tell me this has never happened to
Women0.....that you have No Right to Express Your Feelings or Opinions.....

She has every right to pass out without worrying that
she is going to be raped by friends.....Just like any Teenage Boy or Men....

Next time you guys are drinking with friends....look around do not
drink because one of your friends may rape you......or talk to your sister or daughter
and if they are having fun and drinking pass out and get rape ....it is not the guys
fault but YOUR DAUGHTERS AND SISTERS FAULT you make sure you express that to them.

Even nice guys from middle class and upper class rape.

Some of you may be intelligent but with social skills or putting yourself
in others shoes well you need to learn that what you may know others may not
or never have experience......and that when you look at her think of a woman you
love and this happening to her.........To me this is sick and those who choose to say
they think it is her fault.....they have done it when the where young...and that my dear
is how a woman who is reading these comments....think..... I was raped before is not fun
and you Learn a lot.....and one of the things I have learn is to watch men who defend the guys
or blame the women.......because they maybe the next one who rapes you......that is what I learned
as a teenage 14 old girl.......who got in the car with the vice principal of the High School near her....

So what do you think She Learned Anything.....She is brave, strong and totally awesome.....Me I hid my shame and blamed myself.......but I should have know better into trusting men period.....So now when I read or hear guys writing shit like this, my radar goes up and I need to be very aware around them or never ever meet them......
 
like most of the women here, bliss you go blasting off into orbit.........

Do I think she learned an important lesson? I certainly hope she did and doesn't do it again.

Did she have the "right" to pass out? No, she didn't. In fact, what she was doing to cause the situation is "against the law"....or did you miss that part?

As for looking around whilst drinking at your friends, ummm did you miss the part where a couple of us told of horror stories that happened to us when we did? Now we weren't raped, and I'm not saying what happened to us was anything close to that, but still, it happened. I would also like to point out that you're jumping to conclusions on the rape thing...no where no how does it state anywhere that she was raped. She was sexually assaulted. Now not to demean what did happen to her but her "sexual assault" could have been the guys lifting up her shirt and grabbing her boobs.......that is a far cry from rape. Not nice, and they shouldn't have done it, but a far cry from rape.....

even nice guys from upper class, rape...

Hence why a woman shouldn't get so drunk she passes out in a stranger's house, or when there are strangers around. For that matter, NO one should drink so much they pass out anywhere than at home.

The last time I got drink I got alcohol poisoning.....After I recovered in the hospital, the doctor who treated me came down to talk to me. He said that "if there wasn't any alcohol in society, 99% of his night work would vanish because almost everyone who came to the hospital at night, were there due to alcohol related injuries...or events....".....

Listen, probably 1,000,000 women get drunk on any given friday night. Probably 99% of them get home safe.......but why risk it? Even 1% of those 1,000,000 is 10,000 women getting harmed.

No matter what you say, or how you say it, if she wasn't drinking that night, she would have gotten home safe......was it worth it? Breaking the LAW? getting drunk and passing out? Not in my opinion.........
 
. . . No matter what you say, or how you say it, if she wasn't drinking that night, she would have gotten home safe....

Actually that's just speculation on your part, tboy. She could have been perfectly sober and still overpowered by horny males assaulting her sexually.

It would be more accurate to say "if she wasn't hanging out with irresponsible young males who were drinking that night, she would have gotten home safe."
 
Art Mann said:
Actually that's just speculation on your part, tboy. She could have been perfectly sober and still overpowered by horny males assaulting her sexually.

It would be more accurate to say "if she wasn't hanging out with irresponsible young males who were drinking that night, she would have gotten home safe."

That's true, but then again, you could extrapolate that and say that she could have been assaulated walking home from school, going to church, hanging the wash on the line, going to the store....

But in the realms of this scenario, the one where she did get assaulted, that is a pretty good assumption......

Once again, before the women go ballistic again, at no time did I say she deserved what she got. The point the women are missing is: that one has to be careful, always, and not put themselves into a position or situation where they could easily be victimized......
 
...The point the women are missing is: that one has to be careful, always, and not put themselves into a position or situation where they could easily be victimized......

The point the women are making is that men should behave themselves, be socially responsible, should respect women, and should not use alcohol consumption as an excuse for sexual aggressiveness.

Interesting that you choose gender-neutral pronouns this time round, instead of saying a woman has to be careful not to put herself . . . thereby implying your advice applies to both genders. But the bottom line is that a man is highly unlikely to be violated by other men the way women are.

Let's examine a different context:

The RCMP is currently facing a . Lawyers for the veteran officer who launched the suit expected perhaps a dozen other women officers to join. Hundreds came forward. All of this is allegation, of course, yet to be proven in a court of law, but I have no difficulty believing that where there's smoke there's fire.

So by the logic that women should be careful, always, and not put themselves in a situation where they could easily be victimized, we can therefore deduce women should not join the RCMP.

On the other hand, by the logic that men should behave themselves and treat women with respect, this situation would not have festered over the years to the point of a class-action lawsuit.
 
not once did anyone excuse the guys who did the crime....why is everyone jumping to that conclusion?

To be more specific, this thread IS centered around the young lady and the possibility of her getting sent to jail, not so much on the guys who committed the crime. Really though, the only ones who are insinuating that the guys didn't do wrong are the ladies......oh, and the poster who said their mistake was posting the pics online. For one, I specifically stated that they probably could be charged with distributing child porn and wondered why they weren't.


I know you keep claiming that you didn't say that, but the reality is that you are 1000% blaming the girl here. There wasnt' anyone here who was SERIOUSLY saying that the guys didn't do anything wrong. Really, is sarcasm lost on you? When did you talk about child porn, when it was me who brought that up lol

Stay on topic: what the boys did, regardless of whatever she did, and try not to blame the victim.

You seem like someone who is very angry at women. Otherwise why not put your 'tips and advice' to the boys in these stories, rather than make assumptions about why I say and dismiss it because I am a woman.

That is part of the trouble with some men in today: You want to blame everyone but yourselves for what you do to someone else. Oh, because she had a half a beer, that means it is ok to assault, rape, and take photos of you while you do it? Really? So if you have a half a beer, it should be OK for a couple of women to come in, beat you senseless, drop you off on the side of the road in a remote area all the while taking photos of you to post on the internet and you will be OK with that.

And really, Hangover 2 makes a joke of something, you assume we are laughing about it, because you were laughing about it?

Get this point: you and I, and hopefully the vast majority of people out in the world do NOT think like you do. We have gotten way past the victim blaming. Either you are over 60 and still living in that world, or you have a hate on for women that is far bigger than what is reasonable.
 
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