The Bunny Ranch

[a 1 player]

I did not she has to be in the same career. Nobody does. She does however have the right to quit.

 

[tboy]

shadow: i have no doubt some of those things you described actually occur, that's the problem with making bawdy houses illegal, there is no protection for the workers....with that being said, as with sps, if they are being abused, then they can go to the police and file a complaint.....

as for agency sps and negotiating with the owner......in most cases, there are set fees for the first hour etc. non-negotiable......i have this from sps, ex sps, and agency owners......typically on a $220 call it's 170 to the lady, 20 to the agency and 30 to the driver or vice versa......that's the rates, if the lady doesn't like them, she can go indy or try another agency......

 

[j]

Sorry, but can't stop laughing at the info above. You really believe an agency takes 20 bucks of a 220 call?

Still laughing.

They would not be in business very long if that was all they take. I think you meant to say $120, then 30 to the driver, and lets face it, if the sp wants calls, which she does, she is tipping the booker. Sounds like she lives on tips.

 

[dreamblade]

I think this is Hof cashing in on the sensationalism of the decrim decision. The Bunny Ranch business model is unfeasable in a country who has more relaxed attitudes about sex and prostitution. Most of the Companions and agency owners I've spoken to agree.

 

[tboy]

Sorry, but can't stop laughing at the info above. You really believe an agency takes 20 bucks of a 220 call?

Still laughing.

They would not be in business very long if that was all they take. I think you meant to say $120, then 30 to the driver, and lets face it, if the sp wants calls, which she does, she is tipping the booker. Sounds like she lives on tips.

that's 20 per hour and i don't think that, i know......positively and without any reservations what so ever.......you just showed that you do not know as much as you think you do....do the math for a second before you open your trap...

10 girls working and a lot of the time they're booked solid. that's $200 per hour for the agency....x 8 hrs that's $1600 per night x 7 nights that's 11200 per week....x 52 weeks that's over 500 thousand a year....

yer an idiot....really and truly....thinking a business can't stay in business on 500 k a year....

since you're so daft, i'll even say that take 30 percent off that......and then add 40 for agencies that have more than 10 women......

 

[dreamblade]

20$ per session? Bwahahahahahaha! :rofl!:

Advertising, rent/hotel rental, phone bills, phone staff, photographer, web hosting, plus not every girl who is on schedule is booked for that entire time.

 

[Rebecca Richardson]

that's 20 per hour and i don't think that, i know......positively and without any reservations what so ever.......you just showed that you do not know as much as you think you do....do the math for a second before you open your trap...

10 girls working and a lot of the time they're booked solid. that's $200 per hour for the agency....x 8 hrs that's $1600 per night x 7 nights that's 11200 per week....x 52 weeks that's over 500 thousand a year....

yer an idiot....really and truly....thinking a business can't stay in business on 500 k a year....

since you're so daft, i'll even say that take 30 percent off that......and then add 40 for agencies that have more than 10 women......

Tboy you're so wrong its kinda funny; no agency makes that much money or takes that little from a 1h appointment. There is nothing about your assumptions that is close to correct except the raw math.

Just off the top of my head:
a) No agency takes $20/h. Industry standard on a $250 call is $100/h across the board. No one takes less, if they do the woman is simply paying the balance to the driver.
b) Women are not booked every second they are on schedule. There is at least 15m, usually 30m between appts. Fully booked means "no time for you", not "she is with a client every second of her scheduled time". Travel takes up a lot of time. So does showering. Laundry. Eating. Make-up. Getting re-dressed. 8 hours on schedule means she can work 5 full 1-h appts without time for food. It rarely works out like this, usually there is 15m here, 45m there, 1h in between... figure 4-5h in an 8h shift is a popular woman's schedule. Not everyone is popular, I'd say the average is 2.5h/day.
c) You've missed staff payouts, typically $20/phone, $20/driver per hour booked. That's only $60 for the agency after staff is paid.
di) You've missed all relevant expenses. Photographer - $500+/m. Advertising/website - $1000/month. Rent - $1800/month. Discounts - $500/month. Total monthly expenses less hotel rooms is now $3,800.
dii) Hotel rooms need their own section based on your ideas of how booked women are. If your assumptions are true (10 woman/day, 30 days/month, all fully booked) you'd need 9 hotel rooms x 30 days/month at $120/room = $32,400!!! Mind you, no one ever gets this many rooms because no agency is as booked as you're making it sound, but okay moving forward...

Recap so far:
Total monthly revenues: $60 x 2.5h/day x 30 days = $45,000 (10 women working 2.5h/day ON AVERAGE, some women get 4-5 hours, many get 0-1)
Monthly expenses: $3800+$32,400 = $36200.
Monthly net profit: $8,800.
Yearly income pre-income tax = $105,600.

A few more insights:
a) income tax is going to be a LOT
b) 10 women that are truly available to work like that is reallllly unlikely, typically 6-8 and fewer on a Sunday
c) an agency as busy as the one we're imagining is going to have at least 2 owners splitting profit, no one can do that full-time

I know you like outcalls and the issues with outcall expenses isn't going to be hotel room expenses, its going to be travel time, women's reliability and the number of drivers you can reasonably keep on staff. While it would be nice to have a driver for every woman it just doesn't happen - $20/appt x 4 appt/day = $80 for the driver in an 8h shift. They're living off the avails, there's no way a driver is going to work for minimum wage with that legal risk! For 10 women you'd have 2-3 drivers. Another reason why the response so often is "she's fully booked" - she just can't get there for the time you'd prefer.



Please stop talking like you know what you're talking about because you're really far off. No one is sitting around getting super-rich unless they're taking advantage of the women who are choosing to work with them. I'd go ahead and guess that the big 3-4 are actually making $100,000-$150,000/year (no shot at $500,000) but are splitting it 2 ways and paying tax on top of that.

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Thank you for the informative read in SP 101 Rebecca. You are a sharp cookie, you should open up your own agency!

 

[train]

The above economics aren't all that attractive for the $250/hr agencies and explains the sleeze/reliabilty factors frquently encountered. I know many high end ladies that blow those numbers clear out of the water which also explains the number of High Dollar Hottie ("HDH") indy's.

The business model of the "Ranch" may be closer to a Toronto spa. Either the girl or the client pays a room fee to the House and the girl keeps most of her tips for "service". House succeeds by having popular girls who fill the rooms.

Watching it on HBO the characters at the Brothel and on the show Pawn Stars seem interchangeable :dontknow: . Not my cup of tea.

 

[tboy]

RR: i'm going to be polite since you're sort of an acquaintance....
1) I didn't say that the agency earnings were net minus expences....just like when one talks about how much their hourly rate is, they don't deduct income taxes etc...
2) showering: that's included in the hour, least it has been with every escort i've ever seen
3) never said every escort is fully booked with a client every second of their shift.....I said they are "fully booked". I know a few escorts whose shift was about 12 hrs, and they were booked for 8 of them.....so my 8 hr appointments remains true. I was also present and saw with my own eyes when an agency owner wrote down who was on, and who was booked solid for her shift. I saw she had 15 women on shift, 10 of which were booked solid.
4) I could have mixed up the $20 agency/$30 driver amounts, it could be $30 to the agency, but I got these amounts from 3 agency owners, and probably 15 individual escorts and 2 phone girls.........kind of odd that that many people, many unrelated to each other, all said the same thing......
5) who cares about incalls? I didn't bring them up and the agencies I was referring to are outcall only......but once again, who gives a shit about hotel room or other costs, that doesn't negate the amount of income....
6) Daily amount of women on shift: that's why i deducted a percentage to accommodate various quantities......by saying that some days you only have 4 women booked on, you have to also acknowledge that there will be some days when 20 will be booked on......averaged out, that comes to about 10 per day over a year.....
7) once again, as for time between bookings, you also have to consider multiple hour bookings where there is NO downtime between clients. I knew on numerous occasions 3 popular escorts whose entire shift was booked by 1 client.....and I am not unique when I booked numerous appointments for 2 hrs......now, this isn't to say that every escort gets a lot of multiple hour bookings, but it is enough to negate SOME of the downtime......

Next thing you know you'll be coming on here trying to tell me that a good waitress in a sports bar can't make $600 a night in tips (plus hourly rate).....

I think you should have started your post with " once upon a time....."

 

[tboy]

Just to add fuel to the fire:

$1000 a month for a website? what are you smoking? my website with 15 pages of photos and 4 email accounts AND the possibility of ecommerce costs me $20 a month....lol.....damn, i should become an ISP and get you for a client....

Your statement "income tax will be a lot" is erroneous.....the income tax rate for an agency owner will not be any higher than anyone else in that tax bracket. It doesn't matter whether you are a mechanic, an escort or a bus driver.....it is only farmers and fishermen, and a few others who pay different tax rates......

As for your statement "no one is getting super rich" i never said that, YOU did.....but considering this is a cash business, you're acting like none of it is ever hidden? how naive are you?

 

[billybob]

Agency keep 100 bones is true man.

 

[tboy]

Agency keep 100 bones is true man.

i dunno about anyone else, but this post convince me lol........

 

[blackram]

I think this is Hof cashing in on the sensationalism of the decrim decision. The Bunny Ranch business model is unfeasable in a country who has more relaxed attitudes about sex and prostitution. Most of the Companions and agency owners I've spoken to agree.

And for the same reason, restaurants like Hooters has no chance of surviving in Canada. Hooters is a poor man's stripclub, for places that have no stripclubs, such as the Bible Belt. Hooters set up shop in Canada and were appropriately bankrupt within three years. What seems hot and racy in America, seems very tame in Canada.

I'll predict a Bunny Ranch in Canada has the same trouble surviving as Hooters did.

 

[Madman]

I'll predict a Bunny Ranch in Canada has the same trouble surviving as Hooters did.

I totally agree with you. It's like the slow down in peeler bars. The prices are too high and the majority of guys switched to mp's and sp's.

 

[RAWD]

And for the same reason, restaurants like Hooters has no chance of surviving in Canada. Hooters is a poor man's stripclub, for places that have no stripclubs, such as the Bible Belt. Hooters set up shop in Canada and were appropriately bankrupt within three years. What seems hot and racy in America, seems very tame in Canada.

I'll predict a Bunny Ranch in Canada has the same trouble surviving as Hooters did.

Canada already is much more competitive in the sex biz so BR could not have the same business model. Mind you, several agencies and spas do very well catering to the tourist/conference market and are able to charge higher prices for less service. Not everyone goes after the hard to please, hardcore market that is us. BR could do well by leveraging off it's brand equity. But no doubt, the agencies and spas already here would give them a run for the money.

I totally agree with you. It's like the slow down in peeler bars. The prices are too high and the majority of guys switched to mp's and sp's.

And I predict the same for MPs as SP-ing becomes decriminalized and competition increases. Repealing bawdy house laws would go a long way to eliminating the downside of using incalls for hobbyists.

 

[tboy]

You know, one thing we never considered with the bunny ranch coming up here...prices skyrocketing......I mean if they come up here and start charging the rates they get down there, and people start paying it....it won't be long before all the other incall agencies think, hey, wait a minute, you mean to tell me I too can charge $1000 an hour???

 

[dreamblade]

RR: i'm going to be polite since you're sort of an acquaintance....
1) I didn't say that the agency earnings were net minus expences....just like when one talks about how much their hourly rate is, they don't deduct income taxes etc...
2) showering: that's included in the hour, least it has been with every escort i've ever seen
3) never said every escort is fully booked with a client every second of their shift.....I said they are "fully booked". I know a few escorts whose shift was about 12 hrs, and they were booked for 8 of them.....so my 8 hr appointments remains true. I was also present and saw with my own eyes when an agency owner wrote down who was on, and who was booked solid for her shift. I saw she had 15 women on shift, 10 of which were booked solid.
4) I could have mixed up the $20 agency/$30 driver amounts, it could be $30 to the agency, but I got these amounts from 3 agency owners, and probably 15 individual escorts and 2 phone girls.........kind of odd that that many people, many unrelated to each other, all said the same thing......
5) who cares about incalls? I didn't bring them up and the agencies I was referring to are outcall only......but once again, who gives a shit about hotel room or other costs, that doesn't negate the amount of income....
6) Daily amount of women on shift: that's why i deducted a percentage to accommodate various quantities......by saying that some days you only have 4 women booked on, you have to also acknowledge that there will be some days when 20 will be booked on......averaged out, that comes to about 10 per day over a year.....
7) once again, as for time between bookings, you also have to consider multiple hour bookings where there is NO downtime between clients. I knew on numerous occasions 3 popular escorts whose entire shift was booked by 1 client.....and I am not unique when I booked numerous appointments for 2 hrs......now, this isn't to say that every escort gets a lot of multiple hour bookings, but it is enough to negate SOME of the downtime......

Next thing you know you'll be coming on here trying to tell me that a good waitress in a sports bar can't make $600 a night in tips (plus hourly rate).....

I think you should have started your post with " once upon a time....."

Did tboy just try to school an established SP of 5 years on how an agency is run? :rofl1:

$1000 a month for a website? what are you smoking? my website with 15 pages of photos and 4 email accounts AND the possibility of ecommerce costs me $20 a month....lol.....damn, i should become an ISP and get you for a client....

Ever hear of bandwidth, genius? Plus in many cases the webhost also provides maintenance services. Obviously, in tboyworld, they do that for free.

 

[tboy]

with all due respect, the key word there is AN agency...not all are run the same.

Also, one can be a dynamite lawyer and not know one whit about running a firm, that goes with any business.....

In addition, since there are expences associated with running any business, \RR's argument that there is NO way they could make that much money is, ludicrous at best....

Bandwidth, sure thing....no way any hosting agent could charge $980 for bandwidth usage and remain in business.....i mean, how many millions of people would have to visit an agency's website to increase the cost from $20 to over $1000? If that were the case, and the marketing formula of 10% customers vs cold calls, the agency would surely be earning over $500K per year from 100,000 customers.....i mean, do the math, if an agency takes $100 per hour x 100,000 customers that's what, 10 million dollars?

with all due respect, the key word there is AN agency...not all are run the same.

Also, one can be a dynamite lawyer and not know one whit about running a firm, that goes with any business.....

In addition, since there are expences associated with running any business, \RR's argument that there is NO way they could make that much money is, ludicrous at best....

Bandwidth, sure thing....no way any hosting agent could charge $980 for bandwidth usage and remain in business.....i mean, how many millions of people would have to visit an agency's website to increase the cost from $20 to over $1000? If that were the case, and the marketing formula of 10% customers vs cold calls, the agency would surely be earning over $500K per year from 100,000 customers.....i mean, do the math, if an agency takes $100 per hour x 100,000 customers that's what, 10 million dollars?

btw, i'd just like to point out the contradiction in RR's post...no way an agency makes that much money or takes that little. Her argument is that they take much more than $20 per hour....so let's say they take $100 per call...let's halve the amount of bookings, that means their gross sales would be 5 times what i said they were, not less........

 

[Transient]

Ever hear of bandwidth, genius? Plus in many cases the webhost also provides maintenance services. Obviously, in tboyworld, they do that for free.

In RR's statement, the $1000 was listed as cost for

Advertising/website - $1000/month.

, not just website.