The Bunny Ranch

[SillyGirl]

As usual you completely miss my point.

 

[tboy]

a 1 player sex is something to be enjoyed ! It's can be sold and it is legal to be sold,

there, I fixed your post baz....

The problem with your thinking is that it is archaic....just like the age old practice of bloodletting, beheading, treating women like property etc.....

Thankfully, like many outdated practices, cooler heads are prevailing.....

The point is: whatever happens between two consenting adults in the bedroom is nobody's business but those two consenting adults....

 

[hitech]

Rebecca is bang on with her assertions wrt agency/sp splits.

First Tboy says:

typically on a $220 call it's 170 to the lady, 20 to the agency and 30 to the driver or vice versa......that's the rates, if the lady doesn't like them, she can go indy or try another agency.....

This is utter bullshit. Name the agency whose standard rate is $220 that pays the ladies $170, clear and free of any upcharges. Name it. Because if you can, then THAT is the agency that every SP in Toronto should be signing up with. (And never mind the split, I can't even think of one reputable agency that even charges $220/hour).

Then Tboy says:

4) I could have mixed up the $20 agency/$30 driver amounts, it could be $30 to the agency, but I got these amounts from 3 agency owners, and probably 15 individual escorts and 2 phone girls.........kind of odd that that many people, many unrelated to each other, all said the same thing.....

And then in another post:

with all due respect, the key word there is AN agency...not all are run the same.

So which is it. The fact that ONE agency lied to you, or several?

Now his classy words to Rebecca:

yer an idiot....really and truly....

NO you are the idiot...really and truly....for believing that ANY $220/hour agency is paying out $170 to the girls, $30 to the driver and keeping $20 for their coffers. Not even close.

Over 12 years of partaking, I have come to know many ladies from all the major agencies, incall and outcall and these are the FACTS pertaining to splits: ALL the $250 an hour agencies pay out $140-$160/hour to the girls. Some charge booking, maintenance, accommodation, h/k, drivers fees, etc., off the girls cut....and some don't.

The above applies to both INcalls and OUTcalls. So all these agencies, SP's and phone girls telling you otherwise are blowing smoke up your ass...and you are an ass for believing it.

Any agency @ $220 paying $170 (+ $20 or $30 to a driver) wouldn't last six months. (Or the owners are all wealthy philanthropists running charities).

Christ, even Cachet @ $400 is a $220/$180 split for most of the girls and they still charge an "admin/overhead" fee for the upkeep/use of their office on top of that - plus a driver fee. The girls might net $190/hour.....less than 50% of the agency rate. (An example to the other extreme of pure greed imo).

 

[tboy]

Nice first post...lol....all that for $10.00 difference? I say they pay $170 and you say they pay $160.......lol.....

Yes, not every agency is the same, but 3 can be similar......doh

now why not crawl back under the rock you came from tyvm.......

 

[hitech]

Nice first post...lol....all that for $10.00 difference? I say they pay $170 and you say they pay $160.......lol.....

Yes, not every agency is the same, but 3 can be similar......doh

now why not crawl back under the rock you came from tyvm.......

Now you are demonstrating to everyone what a true idiot you really are. The difference is the delta of $220/$170 +30 versus $250/$150 +30 --- NO AGENCY WOULD SUCCEED IN YOUR PHANTOM SCENARIOS with a $20 margin ya numbskull, unless they are in business for altruistic purposes.

Any owner/operator/driver/phone person/escort, etc or virtually anyone who has a clue that is reading this..... is laughing at you.

 

[tboy]

I think the HUBGFE owners should give me a little gift for getting all these new members to join simply to dispute my posts, i'm flattered, really i am.......to have someone join for the sole purpose of responding to a post of mine......

since you like math, i'll do a little rough estimating once again, just for you:

if an agency has 5 girls on x 20 per hour that's 100 per hour......if they book only 5 appointments a night, that's 500 per day x 7 days that's 3500 per week....considering what the daily expenses are, phone, someone to answer them...that's a pretty good nightly take.....

 

[hitech]

I think the HUBGFE owners should give me a little gift for getting all these new members to join simply to dispute my posts, i'm flattered, really i am.......to have someone join for the sole purpose of responding to a post of mine......

since you like math, i'll do a little rough estimating once again, just for you:

if an agency has 5 girls on x 20 per hour that's 100 per hour......if they book only 5 appointments a night, that's 500 per day x 7 days that's 3500 per week....considering what the daily expenses are, phone, someone to answer them...that's a pretty good nightly take.....

Again, demonstrating your ignorance. I joined more than a year ago and there is no fucking rule here that dictates when or how often a member posts or WHY. We don't all have the time nor interest to rack up over 7000 posts in less than two years. I am compelled when I see blatant stupidity.

Now you are twisting the entire issue from your original assertion (LIE) that several agencies operate with a $20 fee per hour.... to what YOU deem a "good nightly take" which is not only none of your business, it is not for you to decide and is irrelevant whether an agency haul is $500 or $5000/night. Once again, to simplify it for your comprehension....NO AGENCY IN TORONTO DOES THIS i.e. $20/hour.

I am challenging you to name the agencies that told you this. They will either be outed as liars or the kindest, most generous souls the sex trade has ever seen. I know you can't because you made this fairy tale up. You still haven't answered as to whether it is one ("AN") agency as you posted, or several agencies as you also posted. Which is it and why did you change your story?

 

[hitech]

And while you are at it, give me an example of a known & trusted outcall agency with a $220/rate.

EDIT:

if an agency has 5 girls on x 20 per hour that's 100 per hour......if they book only 5 appointments a night, that's 500 per day x 7 days that's 3500 per week....considering what the daily expenses are, phone, someone to answer them...that's a pretty good nightly take.....

You are out of touch with reality if you think the above formula exists 7 days/week; 365 days/year. It's more along the lines of: two of them might be shooters and get their 5 hours/day. Two of them average draws with 2 to 3 hrs/day and one pulling in 1 to 2 hrs. (and remember, not ALL girls are fuck machines and want 5+ calls/day and/or not ALL girls are full-time. Some work to supplement their already existing income).

But I'll even humor you and your fantasy of 5 girls doing 5 calls each 7/days/week. Out of the $20 agency fee, deduct standard $15 for the "phone girls" commission per booking. That leaves $125/day or $875/week or approx $3500/month to the agency to pay for advertising (huge), web maintenance if any, phones, internet, photos, discretionary concessions for a dissatisfied client, etc etc. AND some agencies lease an office. This is all before they have even bought themselves a cuppa coffee. Ya riiiight.

 

[Blank_Dave]

I have never been referred to as a walrus before but I will remind you of the famous chant we all grew up with.

"stick and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"

Bwahaha...Just goes to show how little you do know and how ignorant you are. Certainly a famous chant, but extremely erroneous. It should be 'but names can scar me life'.

Now Brent, you posted a while ago about character, why don't you show some?

 

[Madman]

Tboy, stand still I passing out the eggs! NOT FOR THROWING them AT YOU, it's for launching them at Brent!

 

[tboy]

this is for lotech....no, i won't name the agencies since the info given to me was referring to their business practices and while i can share the info, putting names to that info is a little over the top......now you can say this is fantasy all you want, doesn't change the facts as they were presented to me.

Have you ever run a business? doesn't sound like it.....

Most agencies have more than 5 girls DOH, not the same girls working every night....in fact, some agencies have 10 women on so their "take" is even higher per night....for eg: TP has 10 girls working tonight and they are open (I think) from noon to 4 am.....you would think that if an agency is open for 16 hrs x 10 women = 160 working hours, they'd be able to get 25 bookings.....I mean hell, if other agencies are open the same length of time, with 7 women that's still 112 working hours....

If how much an agency charges or how they operate is none of my business, why is it any of YOUR business or concern how some agencies run? Why is it so important to you that your first post (indicating that you are new) was here to dispute the information I relayed?

So, once again, go crawl back under your rock and leave the intelligent discussions to the adults...tyvm

btw, if you actually were as smart as you think you are, and have been around as much as you allude to, I wouldn't have to post the agencies names, you'd know who they are simply by my posts......DOH

 

[jumpingjackflash]

I was scratching my head thinking who is T talking to, who's lotech. Then after about 15 minutes it was as if a light bulb went off and I figured it out. DOH is about right!:rofl!: I just had one of McDonald's new mango smoothies and it gave me a major brain freeze/cramp.

 

[a 1 player]

a 1 player sex is something to be enjoyed in a monogamous relationship between a man and a woman! It's not to be sold and it should not be legal to be sold,

Again, incorrect. Your philosophy is rudimentary my friend.

The woman OWNS her body, not God, or the state. It is her choice alone to do with it what she wishes.

 

[j]

"Once upon a time....." I shared what I know to be true based on my experiences and you shared what you know to be true based on your experiences. Of course our experiences are going to be different for a variety of reasons, all valid. Its not like I'm lying or you're lying, we just see it from different perspectives.

If you can find me an agency in Toronto who takes $20/h from $250/h with no additional charges (so my total take-home as an SP who charges $250/h would be $230 after payout, no additional fees to drivers, phone staff, locations, advertising or anything else) I'll kick you back the $80/h pay increase for me in the form of $80 I'll contribute to a session with the SP of your choice


I see how you think that's contradictory if you maintained all your other assumptions. Perhaps you're talking revenues (no expenses) while I'm talking net income (revenues minus expenses). If you're talking about total revenues $500k/year is not impossible at all

If the sex industry works the same way economics do in general the supernormal returns you're forecasting would attract significantly more investment and interest than they do.


Blah tboy, we're two different people with two different perspectives and that doesn't make either of us wrong or have a need to fight. We can be polite NOT because we're acquaintances but because we treat people how we'd like to be treated and we can respect each other because despite different perspectives we both have insight into and passion for an obscure and curious world. Screw being acquaintances: let's be friends?

There's already too much fighting on the internet.

I am going to assume, since he is so adamant that he knows best, that the agencies for obvious reasons, lied to him to make themselves look better. I mean, why not, if they are trying to convince a client to use an agency vs an independent, and the concern some clients (certainly not all clients) maybe have is how much is the sp's cut of the amount he is paying. Wouldn't a fairly decent guy like to be assured the lady is getting the bulk of that 250? Sure, if he is a half decent guy, why not. Having more than one agency assure him, yes, yes, we only take 20 bucks per call, yup, that's right. So in spite of actual sps with actual agency experience coming on to say, uh, not likely, he reassures himself that the (now 3) agencies are pretty much working for scraps out of the goodness of their blessed little hearts.

Cool

 

[tboy]

Nicely put...but you err in many ways...it wasn't only agency owners who confirmed the price structure, it was phone girls and escorts as well....after dating one in particular for a while she would have zero reason to lie to me.....

As RR said, we have different information but that doesn't mean either of us is wrong......I mean, there are pimps out there who take 100% of the earnings, just as there are probably some who take anywhere from 100% to 10% (which, oddly enough, is pretty average for a manager's or agent's take of a sale.....funny how that worked out eh?)

SS: what is YOUR direct knowledge to dispute anything discussed in this thread?