The YMMV card

[Fuggedabouditt]

I completely agree, there is no need for an agenda, no need for play by plays. Just a mention of someone worthy of being seen and providing a valued and good/great service. As I said before a review says as much about the author as it does about the one being reviewed.

But it's like talking to your buddies "Hey, I just fucked this awesome blonde last night." Bragging. It may not be detailed, but what else could it be? To each his own, honestly. I just see it as boys bragging about their conquests. Yes, I do it in my own special way by telling y'all how many regulars and such, but you don't have to tell me I'm bragging because I am.

You made some good points here, everyone should have the right to decline any sexual activity with any person for any reason. If a client is dirty, refuses to shower after the SP asks him to due to hygiene issues, they can't expect to get the high end of YMMV.

However, an "ideal" or "great" SP is able to overlook things like weight, looks, ethnicity and provide good service to every client who does their part and is clean and respectful. I can understand why a client who really did do everything "right" would feel disappointed if the SP gave them lousy service because they look like they came from their construction job and not an office. A good agency will stand up for their sp's when a client who smells like he hasn't showered in days complains he got cbj instead of bbbj even if he read certain services were offered in a review.

Thanks Janelle. You have my point correctly. If a client does all the right things, in particular hygiene and he still receives subpar service, then what is it? My agenda is based on KNOWN services, which implies that I've read a review or two from several clients who've provided feedback and I've received less after all checkboxes have been taken care of. This might be an isolated incident but in a lot of cases, other poor reviews come flowing in; this precipitates another subject I will cover later.

 

[cristycurves]

But it's like talking to your buddies "Hey, I just fucked this awesome blonde last night." Bragging. It may not be detailed, but what else could it be? To each his own, honestly. I just see it as boys bragging about their conquests. Yes, I do it in my own special way by telling y'all how many regulars and such, but you don't have to tell me I'm bragging because I am.


Yes I suppose boys will be boys and men will be men.
To your point about you receiving sub par service when all the boxes were checked, perhaps there simply was something about you that didn't meshwith that sp, it happens. Escorts aren't required to provide particular services, you are paying for their time, keep that in mind. Within a session, any escort is entitled to do or not do as he or she sees fit, just as any hobbyist is entitled to review or not review as they see fit. If someone hasn't given you what you consider good service, move on and find one who will, analyzing why, how or whatever, is pointless and unproductive.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

Yes I suppose boys will be boys and men will be men.
To your point about you receiving sub par service when all the boxes were checked, perhaps there simply was something about you that didn't meshwith that sp, it happens. Escorts aren't required to provide particular services, you are paying for their time, keep that in mind. Within a session, any escort is entitled to do or not do as he or she sees fit, just as any hobbyist is entitled to review or not review as they see fit. If someone hasn't given you what you consider good service, move on and find one who will, analyzing why, how or whatever, is pointless and unproductive.

I endorse this.
:good:

 

[What A Wookie]

Any suggestions on how to market extras without having to be obligated to provide them to everyone, every time?

Call it VIP service that's available at your discretion perhaps?

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

Call it VIP service that's available at your discretion perhaps?

Funny. One of my regulars called it that.

 

[Madman]

I found if you're friendly and clean ymmv is rarely an issue if with a reliable escort. One of my biggest pet peeves when I was hobbying more was ladies working during their periods. A string, a sponge, yes this effected the session and this is not fair to the client. I don't believe an sp or an mpa should be working during her cycle or at least let the client know prior to booking.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

I found if you're friendly and clean ymmv is rarely an issue if with a reliable escort. One of my biggest pet peeves when I was hobbying more was ladies working during their periods. A string, a sponge, yes this effected the session and this is not fair to the client. I don't believe an sp or an mpa should be working during her cycle or at least let the client know prior to booking.

Damn, I've had a couple get their cycle right in the middle of the session. There was just no more DATY but the session continued. NBD.

 

[Madman]

Damn, I've had a couple get their cycle right in the middle of the session. There was just no more DATY but the session continued. NBD.

It's the pull out red condom trick followed by the panic of if it's me that damaged something :biggrin2:

or during digits finding something hard and realizing you just found a sponge and you're not washing dishes!:no:

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

It's the pull out red condom trick followed by the panic of if it's me that damaged something :biggrin2:

or during digits finding something hard and realizing you just found a sponge and you're not washing dishes!:no:

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Here's a little story from the archives. Back when going to Shannonville was new and partying hard all night was the key to successfully being hungover for 3 days, my buddy brought along some skank from Kingston and had their own tent. Later in the evening after I threw a picnic table on the bonfire, I heard a commotion from their tent "No no no no...I'm on the rag!!" "Fuck that...." *tent zipper opening.....then closing. Grunts and groans....

In the morning I stumble out of the tent to the horrific site of a maxi pad stuck to the front tire of a car, the car we came in. My buddy comes out of the tent because he hears me voicing my displeasure of the site. His face is covered in congealed blood. My eyes opened wide and I start putting two and two together. The tent zipper opening was him and tossing the maxi pad out of the tent, then sticking to the tire. "Ummm, he man, you should look in the mirror *snicker". He looks in to the side view of the car..."WHAT THE FUCK!!" LOL. "Look at the tire...." He kicks the pad in to the bonfire which burned with the most god awful smell. There was no such things as water bottles back then so he found whatever was left in beer bottles and washed his face. His girl didn't emerge from the tent until it was time to go.

 

[cristycurves]

Call it VIP service that's available at your discretion perhaps?

Quote Originally Posted by escapefromstress View Post
Any suggestions on how to market extras without having to be obligated to provide them to everyone, every time?

I think a note to say certain services require an additional fee, or additional fees may be required. Some escorts now advertise PSE as VIP and say add another $$. But I'm still confused as to why you think you, or anyone is obligated to provide specific services. Again, we are paid for our time, what goes on within that time is between you and your date and is entirely up to your discretion, not your obligation! Is there a pimp somewhere telling escorts, mpas they have to perform specific sexual services on their dates, some grand pooba pimp, that I've yet to meet?
@Madman-for many, escorting is a sole means to pay billls and to have money left to live on. So, to tell a lady that hasn't made money in a days, weeks, to take that week, or days off, tell her to not eat or pay her bills that month because a string or sponge might inconvenience you wouldn't be fair or logical...sorry to be harsh, but some women don't have the luxury of taking time off, nor can they always determine when their periods will begin or end. It is a far more complicated situation than you realize, so cut some a break and be more understanding. There are many things that occur within this industry that seem unfair, to both sides, hobbyists and sp's, yet sometimes those unfairnesses don't have perfect solutions.

 

[Madman]

@Madman-for many, escorting is a sole means to pay billls and to have money left to live on. So, to tell a lady that hasn't made money in a days, weeks, to take that week, or days off, tell her to not eat or pay her bills that month because a string or sponge might inconvenience you wouldn't be fair or logical...sorry to be harsh, but some women don't have the luxury of taking time off, nor can they always determine when their periods will begin or end. It is a far more complicated situation than you realize, so cut some a break and be more understanding. There are many things that occur within this industry that seem unfair, to both sides, hobbyists and sp's, yet sometimes those unfairnesses don't have perfect solutions.

I get that but from a buyer's perspective who may have saved and scrimped his $300 for finally making that booking. Spent hours and hours manscaping including plucking the hair out from inside and outside his ears. Brushed and flossed his tooth. Perhaps buy a new shirt to make a good impression then to find a "roadblock" :no: a BIG RED STOP SIGN:no: is heartbreaking.

Poking fun aside, I do believe disclosure is the best policy. Perhaps with a discounted session both parties involved in the transaction would be better served.

 

[cristycurves]

(madmans quote)Poking fun aside, I do believe disclosure is the best policy. Perhaps with a discounted session both parties involved in the transaction would be better served.[/QUOTE]

Lol, disclosure? Sure when clients start disclosing I'm sure the rest of us may as well Please also keep in mind this is a luxury expense, because you may have to work harder to get the money needed to hobby doesn't mean your entitled to more or deserving of more. It gets old and pitiful when A man that wants to get off whines about about how hard he had to scrimp and save to do so. The palm sisters are free, for those who can't afford an escort. Why should a sp discount her session because of something that is natural to her.....will we get compensated extra for seeing clients that have physical short comings or other physical issues? Not likely, nor would it be fair to be expected. We too shower, shave, tweeze, buy new outfits, post and pay for ads that are attractive and appealing,we continually clean our locales and stock our locales with all needed amenities, to make sure our clients have all the required comforts, we respond to your emails/calls/texts in a timely fashion, we provide you with a great service, by accommodating all your reasonable requests, so for all that because your fingers or dick might feel something other than just flesh, we should discount.?....all fun aside, sorry, but that's not reasonable.

 

[Jasper]

I currently have a very vanilla massage service. I'd like to offer extras to some clients, sometimes, but not to all clients, all the time.

I've never been able to figure out how to advertise extras. I don't want to post them in my ads because then everyone assumes everything is available every time, but I might be in the mood to offer something extra on one visit, but not on the next.

Also, I think most guys only bring enough cash to cover the expected fee, so even if I let a client know an extra service is available when he arrives on that day, he probably won't have extra cash to cover the added expense.

Any suggestions on how to market extras without having to be obligated to provide them to everyone, every time?

Perhaps save the extras as a free bonus only for the most valued customers?
Or would that make them see you as less professional or that you're coming on to them?

 

[User-E]

Call it VIP service that's available at your discretion perhaps?

I like that idea. Thank you.

Perhaps save the extras as a free bonus only for the most valued customers?
Or would that make them see you as less professional or that you're coming on to them?

I would definitely charge extra for extras. Having worked as a $300/hr FS SP in the past, I know the value of the extra services I'd be offering.

:wink2:

 

[oldguyzer]

I would definitely charge extra for extras. Having worked as a $300/hr FS SP in the past, I know the value of the extra services I'd be offering.

:wink2:

Do you give green stamps?

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

Any suggestions on how to market extras without having to be obligated to provide them to everyone, every time?

I think a note to say certain services require an additional fee, or additional fees may be required. Some escorts now advertise PSE as VIP and say add another $$. But I'm still confused as to why you think you, or anyone is obligated to provide specific services. Again, we are paid for our time, what goes on within that time is between you and your date and is entirely up to your discretion, not your obligation! Is there a pimp somewhere telling escorts, mpas they have to perform specific sexual services on their dates, some grand pooba pimp, that I've yet to meet?

@Madman-for many, escorting is a sole means to pay billls and to have money left to live on. So, to tell a lady that hasn't made money in a days, weeks, to take that week, or days off, tell her to not eat or pay her bills that month because a string or sponge might inconvenience you wouldn't be fair or logical...sorry to be harsh, but some women don't have the luxury of taking time off, nor can they always determine when their periods will begin or end. It is a far more complicated situation than you realize, so cut some a break and be more understanding. There are many things that occur within this industry that seem unfair, to both sides, hobbyists and sp's, yet sometimes those unfairnesses don't have perfect solutions.

In my experience, those SP's who cannot afford to take a break should re-evaluate their overhead and lifestyle. If you've already worked 2 weeks and have done fairly well financially, you should be okay to take a few days off; those who can't, are usually supporting a habit. Face it, I see more than a few ladies advertising their Loubs @$1000 + a pair on Twatter. Really? Don't come fucking crying to me at the end of the month or tell me "I HAVE to work".

I get that but from a buyer's perspective who may have saved and scrimped his $300 for finally making that booking. Spent hours and hours manscaping including plucking the hair out from inside and outside his ears. Brushed and flossed his tooth. Perhaps buy a new shirt to make a good impression then to find a "roadblock" :no: a BIG RED STOP SIGN:no: is heartbreaking.

Poking fun aside, I do believe disclosure is the best policy. Perhaps with a discounted session both parties involved in the transaction would be better served.

Or 100% refund if the player is not in to having a threesome with Aunt Flo.

(madmans quote)Poking fun aside, I do believe disclosure is the best policy. Perhaps with a discounted session both parties involved in the transaction would be better served.

Lol, disclosure? Sure when clients start disclosing I'm sure the rest of us may as well Please also keep in mind this is a luxury expense, because you may have to work harder to get the money needed to hobby doesn't mean your entitled to more or deserving of more. It gets old and pitiful when A man that wants to get off whines about about how hard he had to scrimp and save to do so. The palm sisters are free, for those who can't afford an escort. Why should a sp discount her session because of something that is natural to her.....will we get compensated extra for seeing clients that have physical short comings or other physical issues? Not likely, nor would it be fair to be expected. We too shower, shave, tweeze, buy new outfits, post and pay for ads that are attractive and appealing,we continually clean our locales and stock our locales with all needed amenities, to make sure our clients have all the required comforts, we respond to your emails/calls/texts in a timely fashion, we provide you with a great service, by accommodating all your reasonable requests, so for all that because your fingers or dick might feel something other than just flesh, we should discount.?....all fun aside, sorry, but that's not reasonable.

This is your job. This is what you chose to do. Players choose to participate. It's not an everyday function for them. I go out of my way to look nice, smell nice, groom etc on the day. It does take effort, but that not being MY JOB, I take extra care on this little fantasy trip. For those guys who fuck everything in sight just so they have their own category on review boards, I DOUBT they go through as much effort as the other poor fuckers who only do this with a lot less frequency.

 

[cristycurves]

In my experience, those SP's who cannot afford to take a break should re-evaluate their overhead and lifestyle. If you've already worked 2 weeks and have done fairly well financially, you should be okay to take a few days off; those who can't, are usually supporting a habit. Face it, I see more than a few ladies advertising their Loubs @$1000 + a pair on Twatter. Really? Don't come fucking crying to me at the end of the month or tell me "I HAVE to work".



Or 100% refund if the player is not in to having a threesome with Aunt Flo.




This is your job. This is what you chose to do. Players choose to participate. It's not an everyday function for them. I go out of my way to look nice, smell nice, groom etc on the day. It does take effort, but that not being MY JOB, I take extra care on this little fantasy trip. For those guys who fuck everything in sight just so they have their own category on review boards, I DOUBT they go through as much effort as the other poor fuckers who only do this with a lot less frequency.

To address your first point, simply because an escort isn't getting business doesn't mean she is doing something wrong. I'm sure you're aware of many of the games played against some and how some will be targeted for fame and some for ruin.But, who is anyone to say what anyone can afford or not afford to do. None of us knows the others financial needs or situations and, many clients give expensive gifts such as designer shoes Perhaps those trying to sell them were gifted them and are out to make some extra cash by selling them, or perhaps they could afford to buy such luxuries, even then that doesn't mean they should suffer loss of time, money or anything else or can't cry hard times when things slow down here and there.
Too address your last point, this isn't a job for me, it's a lifestyle, one I too choose to participate in and one in which I don't participate in daily, or even weekly/monthly sometimes. I've seen 4 clients in a day and I've seen 2 in a month and other sp's work the same way, so?. I do it when I want and as often as I want. So I'm not sure what point you were trying to make when saying the same about hobbyists. If it was that sp's should feel sympathy and make exceptions for "poor fuckers" who can't afford escorts often, well you won't find it with me. I've made my position clear about this "hobby" being a luxury, not a necessity, so if you can't afford it you don't do it, it's that simple.
I love Jags, yet I can't afford to own one, so should I cry to Jaguar and expect they lower their prices or change some of their options so I could? Or should I be realistic and drive what I can afford, or get a job that will give me an income that will cover the cost.........We all want things we can't afford, but you shouldn't cry louder or expect special treatment, if that luxury wasn't as expected, simply because it was harder for you to get. Some should rethink their spending habits, if they can't afford to lose the money spent, then don't spend it on things they don't need!!

 

[Madman]

(madmans quote)Poking fun aside, I do believe disclosure is the best policy. Perhaps with a discounted session both parties involved in the transaction would be better served.

Lol, disclosure? Sure when clients start disclosing I'm sure the rest of us may as well Please also keep in mind this is a luxury expense, because you may have to work harder to get the money needed to hobby doesn't mean your entitled to more or deserving of more. It gets old and pitiful when A man that wants to get off whines about about how hard he had to scrimp and save to do so. The palm sisters are free, for those who can't afford an escort. Why should a sp discount her session because of something that is natural to her.....will we get compensated extra for seeing clients that have physical short comings or other physical issues? Not likely, nor would it be fair to be expected. We too shower, shave, tweeze, buy new outfits, post and pay for ads that are attractive and appealing,we continually clean our locales and stock our locales with all needed amenities, to make sure our clients have all the required comforts, we respond to your emails/calls/texts in a timely fashion, we provide you with a great service, by accommodating all your reasonable requests, so for all that because your fingers or dick might feel something other than just flesh, we should discount.?....all fun aside, sorry, but that's not reasonable.

Most gents book escorts to enjoy daty and fs. If these two options are not available why would it be so wrong to offer/expect a discount?

If one is not getting the service expected it would be only fair and let's face it "buying time" is not really the spirit behind the booking.

 

[Madman]

For those guys who fuck everything in sight just so they have their own category on review boards, I DOUBT they go through as much effort as the other poor fuckers who only do this with a lot less frequency.

I disagree with you this time because the professional hobbyists actually should take care of themselves in order to get higher mileage, it would be silly not too considering the time and money invested.

 

[Fuggedabouditt]

I disagree with you this time because the professional hobbyists actually should take care of themselves in order to get higher mileage, it would be silly not too considering the time and money invested.

I dunno MM. I think the guys knocking off ladies "Off the TDL" simply go for broke and don't do the prep time, although they DO probably take care of themselves and are sharp on a daily basis. I'm just saying that nerves from a part time pooner may make him prep a little longer and pull that long nose hair out because he noticed.