This is stealing to a new level

[Bubba]

Just for the Record Everyone: Arianne St. Claire and Riley Daniels names have been removed from all of my ads online. You can sleep better tonight.

I'm really not looking forward to a CATFIGHT at this time. LOL.

Then what are you looking for?. Just remove it and move on, enough of the drama stuff.

 

[tboy]

Then what are you looking for?. Just remove it and move on, enough of the drama stuff.

ummm she's probably not looking for anything, she was asled to remove the names from her meta tags, she removed them, and advised us that she did...eos.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Wait, weren't you sort of defending her actions at the very top of this page? At the very least you were saying to Riley: get over it, it's not a big deal......

I was telling Riley to move on past it - yes. It was clearly not worth the battle and stress based on the attitude of this person. Pick your battles type of thing.

Had Trya read that, she may have understood.

It was a still a slime ball move and it sucked for Riley which I said in my first post. I was quite clear that it is not illegal and that is happens all the time in BIG business, but being this type of business that is such cut throat is was wrong on the moral/ethic/values ground if you will.

I was never defending the actions of Tyra Brown, but suggesting other ways for Riley to deal with it.

When Ms. Brown came up to again to laugh it off, play like it was nothing and say it was done in other fields of business as a justification, it gave me the chance to say more directly to her. She was being a jerk for using those names that way. In public, as keywords, not meta tags and refusing to removed them when politely asked. At the time of course.

Also why, when she accused me of being involved somehow with Riley, I let her post slide.

It was all the same opinion just directed to 2 different people in 2 different ways.

Main points:

-not illegal,
-done via hidden meta tags in big business all the time,
-this was done publicly via keywords.
-in a cut throat business like this, it sucks
-Ms. Brown's prior responses of non removal of the names was showing lack of concern and to me - laughing it off.
-Ms. Brown's Webmaster is a tool


Since she has now seen the light, Ms. Brown did the right thing and I will be the first to applaud her actions. She got thrown in the fire, more by her webmaster I think, but you are still responsible for who you hire, and she came out of it properly, resolving the issue, and making amends. Good job Tyra!

 

[j]

I would never allow someone else to make me look like an idiot, which IF tyra has someone else do her ads she did, and if she does her own then I still stand by my words that she is a bad sp. Wasting words on backpage that are not being used to promote and market yourself is not good business, whatever other businesses may or may not do, there is still a very clear boundary about what legit and reputable businesses do, and what disreputable businesses do.

Putting someone else's name into your escort ads, visible or not, to draw their clients to your ads, is a disreputable move. If you have to rely on feeding off of other sp's reputation to trick clients into seeing you, one can only assume you have other tricks up your sleeve, other lies that you cannot live up to.

Then coming on to justify it, being hostile to complaints, just further reinforces my opinion that you are a bad sp who is unable to simply rest on her own performance and build her own clientele and reputation. You resisted removing the names, but the real issue is using them in the first place, not knowing any better, then try to justify the douchebag action, then finally with great sarcasm and FU, removed them? DB 101

 

[Madman]

I won't get involved in the drama but I will say if the pics of Tyra are accurate and based on the ink being visible I think they are, I will go on record saying Tyra has one fine body!!

 

[tboy]

I just want to add one more thing then I'm outta this issue because it's over....

One thing I have found by being in business for my self: Doing everything by the book, playing fair, doing what's "right", and not screwing anyone else? You lose. You lose BIG fucking time. I wish I didn't have morals, I wish I could fuck someone else (figuratively), for if I could, I'd be a lot better off than I am now and have thousands if not hundreds of thousands in the bank.......

Here's an example: I was doing a pretty much complete house reno. I quoted time and materials because the job kept growing and changing. If I arrived onsite at 9:10 am? I'd charge him from 9:30. When it was time to leave, if I left at 3:50? I'd charge him from 3:30. I rarely took a lunch but did go outside for smokes. So I automatically deducted a 1/2 hr for lunch.

Then when the job was over, he went through my invoice line by line and said "no way you were here at x everyday".....and argued the point. I said simply: No, I was here at x-20 minutes everyday!!!

Now MOST people would charge him until 4 if they left at 3:50 and you may say, "that's only 10 minutes" but I was working on that house for 3 months, so that's approx 60 x 10 minutes.....that adds up to 10 hrs....not chicken feed. I bet I gave that guy $1000.00 in time and materials/fasteners etc. Hell, I even donated a GFI for his bathroom that I had in my electrical box...(they're upwards of $35.00 each).

 

[a 1 player]

I still think a Mr. Turtle pool of baby oil and jello is a better way to solve things.

 

[JustRiley]

many post have happened since I made this, I haven't thought about her and her tatics in a while. what I found funny about her was she posted on the other board she posted exactly what hotel she was staying in. She might as well post her room number too.

 

[LisaOfToronto]

she posted exactly what hotel she was staying in. She might as well post her room number too.

uhmmm how does that matter ? hotel have lotsa rooms........you realize you are just promoting her?

 

[tyrabrown]

I would never allow someone else to make me look like an idiot, which IF tyra has someone else do her ads she did, and if she does her own then I still stand by my words that she is a bad sp. Wasting words on backpage that are not being used to promote and market yourself is not good business, whatever other businesses may or may not do, there is still a very clear boundary about what legit and reputable businesses do, and what disreputable businesses do.

Putting someone else's name into your escort ads, visible or not, to draw their clients to your ads, is a disreputable move. If you have to rely on feeding off of other sp's reputation to trick clients into seeing you, one can only assume you have other tricks up your sleeve, other lies that you cannot live up to.

Then coming on to justify it, being hostile to complaints, just further reinforces my opinion that you are a bad sp who is unable to simply rest on her own performance and build her own clientele and reputation. You resisted removing the names, but the real issue is using them in the first place, not knowing any better, then try to justify the douchebag action, then finally with great sarcasm and FU, removed them? DB 101

This one really irritates me, I couldn't hold it in anymore.
How can you say that anyone is a bad sp by someones advertisement. That's just a sad statement right there.
I never used anybody's name, photos, or website. Keywords are a competitive way that every business uses to increase visibility.

Everyone of my clients knows that I always treat our time with true royalty.
Our time is gold, and I always give my very best and make sure everyone leaves with a big smile.
If I know ahead of time that we will not enjoy each other's company, "I would not take their money to begin with".
There was a client just the other day that came to my room, and just as he was giving me my donation, I told him that I'm very sorry but he resembles someone that I had a bad experience with, and refused his coin. Asked him to leave, and he did.

Don't be trashing my services or telling me that I'm a bad SP unless you actually spend time with me. This is just too low.
Mr. "Shadowsun" begins his post by saying: "I would never allow someone else to make me look like an idiot" WTF??? (this is not what this thread is about)
Did I make anybody look like an idiot? I don't think so. This is just so out of line.

As for Riley Daniels, a "thank you" would be nice, but its fine.

Let this post die because this is not the type of attention that I'm seeking here.

 

[papasmerf]

Tyra

You showed some class by coming here and eventually removing the names.

The key word here is eventually.

Now quit acting like a princess and take your lumps.

If you want all this to go away you need to become contributor as opposed to a complainer.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

This one really irritates me, I couldn't hold it in anymore.
How can you say that anyone is a bad sp by someones advertisement. That's just a sad statement right there.
I never used anybody's name, photos, or website. Keywords are a competitive way that every business uses to increase visibility.

Everyone of my clients knows that I always treat our time with true royalty.
Our time is gold, and I always give my very best and make sure everyone leaves with a big smile.
If I know ahead of time that we will not enjoy each other's company, "I would not take their money to begin with".
There was a client just the other day that came to my room, and just as he was giving me my donation, I told him that I'm very sorry but he resembles someone that I had a bad experience with, and refused his coin. Asked him to leave, and he did.

Don't be trashing my services or telling me that I'm a bad SP unless you actually spend time with me. This is just too low.
Mr. "Shadowsun" begins his post by saying: "I would never allow someone else to make me look like an idiot" WTF??? (this is not what this thread is about)
Did I make anybody look like an idiot? I don't think so. This is just so out of line.

As for Riley Daniels, a "thank you" would be nice, but its fine.

Let this post die because this is not the type of attention that I'm seeking here.

He wasn't saying that you made anyone look like an idiot, he was saying your webmaster made you look like one based on the info he gave you.

You did you people's names as your keywords so you can't say you never used the names.

And yes - a thank you would have been nice, but if you put yourself in her shoes and saw that someone did this to you, and then it took a thread like this to get it removed, you may not be so quick to say thank you as well. You may have been still a bit put off by the person which is what I am guessing in here. But I was raised right and I would have said thank you or at least not posted back in the thread the way Riley did.

My suggestion, let it die. Don't even bother coming back to this thread and move on. I would re-think your webmaster but that is just me.

I only say this because I offer more then just photography and web service. I help ladies go indy, help them with ads, help agencies with business development etc, I do not ever give them the bad advice and the shit service you have gotten. I also "design" a real site not just add pics and text to blank page. Even if it is 1 page, it is a designed 1 page.

Also, having looked at your site, it does not validate with the W3 which is important. He has not even put proper meta tags on your site. What he has done is at the bottom is put the same type of "keywords" made them white so no one can see. This will not help you with Google searches at all. And his "keywords" are things like Kelly Rowland? jazz? whitbey? Not even the correct spelling. He has done you a complete disservice and I really hope you did not pay him for that piece of crap job.

 

[Art Mann]

I'm confused

I'm confused

Just for the Record Everyone: Arianne St. Claire and Riley Daniels names have been removed from all of my ads online. You can sleep better tonight.

So do you not consider your website an ad? I just clicked on your page and found all this at the bottom (in white, as Miss Femme notes):
Black michelle full service reed carly lopez barbie hotels couples welcome sonya dark brown north york whitbey newmarket kelly rowland jazz ciara kiara somaya Bianca Bailey dahlia Arianne St. Claire Riley Daniels


And this one baffles me too:

...If I know ahead of time that we will not enjoy each other's company, "I would not take their money to begin with".
There was a client just the other day that came to my room, and just as he was giving me my donation, I told him that I'm very sorry but he resembles someone that I had a bad experience with, and refused his coin. Asked him to leave, and he did....

So you had a bad experience with me, and just because I look like St. Nick, you're going to kick Santa Claus out? Wait ... that's a bad example. Just because George Clooney resembles me you're gonna give him the boot when he shows up?

Just to be clear, folks, this is hypothetical. Miss Tyra has never met me to have a good or bad experience. But I'm definitely going to be very pissed off at that Clooney guy if he's fucked up my opportunity for a hot date with this irresistible lady.

 

[papasmerf]

So do you not consider your website an ad? I just clicked on your page and found all this at the bottom (in white, as Miss Femme notes):
Black michelle full service reed carly lopez barbie hotels couples welcome sonya dark brown north york whitbey newmarket kelly rowland jazz ciara kiara somaya Bianca Bailey dahlia Arianne St. Claire Riley Daniels

Good catch

I humbly withdraw my stating she showed some class.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Good catch

I humbly withdraw my stating she showed some class.

In all honesty, I don't think you can blame her for what is on her site. I don't think she even knew it was there. As I said, I peeked at her source code because I wanted to see what errors I could find in her webmaster's work.

Tyra, I will make you a deal. I will re-design you a simple 3 page site {about, gallery, contact} with index disclaimer and proper gallery, for free with my name and link on the site of course for my portfolio.

Please PM and take this offer. Your site will be nicely designed, done right without errors, proper coding, tags, etc.

Your webmaster is a tool and needs to be dumped. Even if you don't take my offer, I know another person who is looking to build a portfolio for himself. I can refer you to him for a free site. Please just get rid of the webmaster you have now. That person is not helping you at all.

 

[papasmerf]

In all honesty, I don't think you can blame her for what is on her site. I don't think she even knew it was there. As I said, I peeked at her source code because I wanted to see what errors I could find in her webmaster's work.

this may be true
However she is responsible for all content.
You treat this as if the webmaster is in her employ.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

this may be true
However she is responsible for all content.
You treat this as if the webmaster is in her employ.

Except that as a webmistress but I know that many of my clients wouldn't know if I put hidden stuff on their site, how would they know. There is a level of trust between a client and the webmaster.

I can't tell you the amount of clients who say "make it black and blue, 6 pages, and have the phone number here, and put the links here, etc, and how do I get on google." That is the all they really care about. It is in my opinion, the responsibility of the webmaster, is to inform correctly the best possible options to the client.

Tboy will like this - I was redoing my kitchen. I hired a contractor. I know nothing about renos, I just know what I want the end product to look like. I therefore have to trust the contractor to do it right, legal, safe, etc. Same thing here in my opinion.

 

[papasmerf]

Except that as a webmistress but I know that many of my clients wouldn't know if I put hidden stuff on their site, how would they know. There is a level of trust between a client and the webmaster.

I can't tell you the amount of clients who say "make it black and blue, 6 pages, and have the phone number here, and put the links here, etc, and how do I get on google." That is the all they really care about. It is in my opinion, the responsibility of the webmaster, is to inform correctly the best possible options to the client.

Tboy will like this - I was redoing my kitchen. I hired a contractor. I know nothing about renos, I just know what I want the end product to look like. I therefore have to trust the contractor to do it right, legal, safe, etc.

sounds to me as if people need to be more attentive to their business.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

sounds to me as if people need to be more attentive to their business.

True. I would agree but again, when you are hiring someone who is suppose to be a professional, you naturally expect they will be open with you.

I think that people need to put forth more research into who they hire. I think that ladies and owners need to stay away from the "friend" or "client" who can do stuff for him. Hire a true professional. It may help more in the long run.

 

[papasmerf]

True. I would agree but again, when you are hiring someone who is suppose to be a professional, you naturally expect they will be open with you.

I think that people need to put forth more research into who they hire. I think that ladies and owners need to stay away from the "friend" or "client" who can do stuff for him. Hire a true professional. It may help more in the long run.

If this is the case Tyra should turn his or her fraudulent practices over to a prosecutor.
However Trya did state these names were there for web searches and promotion.
I call your attention to her BP ad


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My photos are 100% real.

Hope to hear from you soon,



Outcalls welcome.

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