Treating women truly as equals is a great thing

[cristycurves]

I would like to thank you for your interesting perspective. I made it to the bottom of page one and had a realization that there is a reason I am currently single.

It is not because I am incapable of finding someone whom I could 'call my man', or that I have never been married (yes I am a bitter divorcee sometimes *coughs the word HIATUS* but typically when I am enjoying Lily time you would never know)... It is because some men have lost the concept that treating a woman with respect, and treating her as an equal should go hand in hand.

It would be my distinct pleasure to introduce you to my ex-husband. The two of you appear to have a lot in common... Though in his case he will pay for dinner for someone he will absolutely get his dick wet with as well.

I admit I am actually pretty disappointed because I did expect a bit better from you based upon past interactions, but people change and you really should do what makes you happy.

Respectfully,
Lily

P.S. Sometimes the women are the ones who take the massive hit when starting over. I have known more than a few women who society would call 'strong, independent women' who chose not to even take what was legally and morally appropriate. I think ones words were 'I would rather starve than take the pain and angst that go with a regular cheque from him!'.

P.P.S. Ladies now that we have the president of the He-Man Woman Hater's Club elected... Please feel free to call me if you need something on a tall shelf lifted down. At somewhere between 5'9-10" I tower above most. I've got you!!! If not then one of my absolutely wonderful, and sweet male friends would gladly assist as well!

*wanders away muttering about asshats taking over the world*

:YMAPPLAUSE::YMAPPLAUSE:ancingraise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-BowingPraise-Bowing:YMAPPLAUSE::YMAPPLAUSE: Amen!!

 

[Lily Divine]

Should men be prevented from becoming OBGYN docs? There's a profession where the heterosexual male is going to see more than just your underwear! :biggrin2:

I think we would need to roleplay this scenario to determine if a heterosexual male should pursue that vocation.

 

[oldguyzer]

I think we would need to roleplay this scenario to determine if a heterosexual male should pursue that vocation.

I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look...

 

[Lily Divine]

I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look...

Any time OG! It would be my pleasure... Just make it a hands on inspection please!

 

[oldguyzer]

Any time OG! It would be my pleasure... Just make it a hands on inspection please!

As soon as "Madman Travel & Clam Lickers" gets me a refund from my last trip to Hafilax (by way of Albuquerque) I'm be on my way.

 

[CharloteEdwards]

Treating women truly as equals is a great thing

First....please don't think that I am like MAL. I love women and respect them as I was raised predominantly by women.

I do like to debate all sorts of topics though.


So if I accept that men should not be hired into lingerie stores because they make some of the customers uncomfortable. Would you accept that women should not be in certain fields if it were to make male customers uncomfortable? This is what I am trying to get down to. A rule should be enforceable across the board. Special cases/treatment is not Equal/Just/fair/etc.




Should men be prevented from becoming OBGYN docs? There's a profession where the heterosexual male is going to see more than just your underwear! :biggrin2:

There is a big difference between a trained medical professional who sees bodies for health reasons and a random employee seeing women partially naked or in very little lingerie - which is sexualized by the way. In one aspect we are going for help with our bodies in normal clothes and aren't exactly dressing up and shaving to make ourselves look sexually appealing for the doctor another we are simply trying on something sexy for someone else and want to be as comfortable as possible and not to be made to feel we're putting on a show for other men should they be in the dressing room when we didn't consent to them seeing us that way. Sometimes I have needed assistance doing up clasps or ribbons on corsets, or new styles of lingerie that aren't straight forward where there's many straps all over the place in the breast area and I wouldn't want to have to ask a straight male stranger to help me honestly.

There's a big difference between gender equality at jobs and companies simply wanting their customers to be comfortable and providing a safe space for those dealing with more intimate clothing. Another man suggested this is why he prefers male tailors so he is not made to feel uncomfortable if a woman was measuring his inseam near his crotch because the way he is being touched is not supposed to be sexual but could be awkward for both parties should something come up.

The main argument was against a man saying women simply do not do or cannot do jobs where men are the majority. And now we're getting down to semantics where it's being argued that men should be allowed to be in professions that would make some woman sexually uncomfortable in the name of "fairness". I'm not even sure why this is being argued as its not apparent that anyone here is insisting on being hired for this job. And your gender equality rights do not trump my personal and sexual comfort and safety. Nothing needs to be made into law saying men or women can't do these jobs it's common sense as to gender preferences when it comes down to personal space and sexual comfort at least I hope so.

Who is uncomfortable when women are mechanics, soldiers, installation technicians? Usually women are because they are often sexually harassed by male peers on the job. Women aren't trying to get these jobs to get closer to men to perv on them. They may simply want to do this job and be good at it. While I have to trust that my male obgyn is a professional and have had no issues yet I have no idea why he got into that profession.


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[Raiden]

woman was measuring his inseam near his crotch because the way he is being touched is not supposed to be sexual

I will not make a comment or joke, I promise.mmmmm damn....putting an apple in my mouth mmmmmmm ........

 

[thesun]

I prefer beautiful femal nurses to take care of me.

 

[CharloteEdwards]

If the argument were made that a woman didn't feel comfortable with a lesbian or bisexual female employee at the lingerie shop, would that be the same thing? I think it's a bit rude to say that any man working at a lingerie shop would be there to get his jollies. Many men design clothing and invented the brassier, because they love women and want them to look and feel good. How can you judge someone's intentions without knowing them and at the same time you've given women a free pass that they don't have any ill intentions. Do you really think that there are no situations where women take advantage of men's situations?

Here is an example....should we assume that all female nurses are the same and that only male nurses should be allowed to care for male patients?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-patients-penis-surrenders-license/82373930/

(again, partially playing devil's advocate here)

Regardless of someone's intentions, I don't know why you seem to want to argue against the right to feel comfortable and safe. I'm not interested in arguing anymore, now you're just switching to what if it were a lesbian when originally you were saying what about gender equality for men. I was specifically saying that trying on lingerie is a sexualized thing and not something many would be comfortable doing in front of those who would potentially be turned on by it, it is not the same as going to a GP or OBGYN or getting a massage from a professional.

 

[MisterAsianLover]

Of course men shouldn't work in lingerie shops selling lingerie to women.

But, it is equally ridiculous - on another level - to have women selling auto tools to men.

Obviously, Princess Auto is discriminating against men and actively choosing to employ women strictly on a gender basis. This is disgusting. If women get hired at La Senza as the majority and at Princess Auto as the majority, what prospects do young men have in the retail labour market?

 

[MisterAsianLover]

I prefer beautiful femal nurses to take care of me.

Male nurses are less likely to carry grudges. Female nurses, if you piss them off, are way too much to deal with.

I prefer male nurses when I am in the hospital.

 

[papasmerf]

Of course men shouldn't work in lingerie shops selling lingerie to women.

But, it is equally ridiculous - on another level - to have women selling auto tools to men.

Obviously, Princess Auto is discriminating against men and actively choosing to employ women strictly on a gender basis. This is disgusting. If women get hired at La Senza as the majority and at Princess Auto as the majority, what prospects do young men have in the retail labour market?

For goodness sake, Princess, give it a rest.

 

[Analme]

The reality is men and women are different and are better suited for some roles albeit there are some exceptions to the rule.

For goodness sake, Princess, give it a rest.

Why are you telling one person to give it a rest when many are giving their opinions and everyone has a right to an opinion.

 

[cristycurves]

The reality is men and women are different and are better suited for some roles albeit there are some exceptions to the rule.



Why are you telling one person to give it a rest when many are giving their opinions and everyone has a right to an opinion.

If Papa doesn't mind, I'll speak. He's telling him because Mal goes on and on and on and on and on and on....get my point about how women shouldn't do this, should do that, and men shouldn't do this and men should do that. He's made his point umpteen times. Stated his misogynistic opinions over and over again. Yes we are ALL entitled to our opinions but when they are clearly posted and reposted to stir pots, to demeen or for other negative effects, sometimes someone has to speak out and say enough is enough!!

 

[Madman]

If Papa doesn't mind, I'll speak. He's telling him because Mal goes on and on and on and on and on and on....get my point about how women shouldn't do this, should do that, and men shouldn't do this and men should do that. He's made his point umpteen times. Stated his misogynistic opinions over and over again. Yes we are ALL entitled to our opinions but when they are clearly posted and reposted to stir pots, to demeen or for other negative effects, sometimes someone has to speak out and say enough is enough!!

Yes, you're right but a pot can only be stirred if we allow it too. If it's obvious something being said is to being said to bring about a reaction, deny the reaction and thus winning the argument because it is the opposite result being sought. Now how about another sexy selfie?:good:

 

[CharloteEdwards]

My last post on the topic.

The point I was trying to make is that someone's comfort does not trump equality. This is at the heart of the crazy PC movement we are dealing with. We can agree to disagree. If a lingerie shop hires male staff, then I guess you'll just have to request a female attendant or shop somewhere else. I don't think your discomfort should keep a man from doing that job if he has the skills to do it.

This particular example as i've said again and again is a case of personal comfort in terms of physical sexuality, which is totally different than someone just being a jerk and saying they aren't comfortable with (insert gender/race/religion/creed) person serving them at a restaurant or calling them up on the phone. You have no idea what it's like to be a woman and how bombarded you can be on a daily basis with sexual advances and harassment in just doing innocuous things like errands, shopping, eating etc. So my point was that when it comes to being sexualized in trying on lingerie, no man should say he has the right to see a female customer and come into the room, help her do something up etc or else it's discrimination on gender. It's clearly not about saying a man cannot and isn't "good enough" or "worthy" to be able to complete such a task, it's about personal comfort, privacy and safety. Absolutely nothing to do being "unfair" in terms of trying to discriminate for no good reason - which is a problem when it comes to other jobs women are doing - which was criticized here.

 

[thesun]

NJ

For goodness sake, Princess, give it a rest.

Honestly I'm surprised you would say that considering Bob wanted you to give it a rest with your bacon. I actually disagree with Bob. So if MAL wants to convey certain issues or stirs the pot according to some members, let him as we have a choice to listen to him or not.

Regarding bacon, it does smell good when I wake up in the morning at some cottage.

 

[papasmerf]

NJ
Honestly I'm surprised you would say that considering Bob wanted you to give it a rest with your bacon. I actually disagree with Bob. So if MAL wants to convey certain issues or stirs the pot according to some members, let him as we have a choice to listen to him or not.

Regarding bacon, it does smell good when I wake up in the morning at some cottage.

Bob Who?

 

[thesun]

The reality is men and women are different and are better suited for some roles albeit there are some exceptions to the rule.



Why are you telling one person to give it a rest when many are giving their opinions and everyone has a right to an opinion.[/QUOTE
Fine. Why ask MAL to give it a rest?

 

[User-E]

Fine. Why ask MAL to give it a rest?

Who are you? :unknw:

You posted during last July, disappeared until October, gone again until December, now you pop up again in March to judge members who post here daily, week after week, month after month, and render your verdict as to whether you think they're being fair to posters they find offensive.

You're not the only who does that.

Hmmmmmm