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Why they call them curvy instead of fat, overweight and she doesn't take care of herself?

I am not an especially large BBW, I am a size 15, well under 200 lbs, and well proportioned. I do not get angry when I see these posts for myself, though of course I am slightly biased, but I get angry when I see any minority being picked on. Some of the posts in this thread were classy and well thought out and amazing (RIP Art Mann) but overall I just wanted to point out that it could be hurtful to the BBWs on the board, the men who see them, and the larger men themselves. It sends a message that high school picking on and bullying is acceptable because it makes some people laugh. Why others do not say anything is beyond me but I can't sit back and be silent. Apathy is an ugly thing. I realize that my not being able to be silent will not make me the most loved lady on board, and I have been through that on every other board as well. I am who I am. Love it or hate it. And for the one who called me "retarded" I do not take that as insult, I have met mentally challenged people who showed more respect, class, and intelligence than you have.

bobistheowl said:
Jacklyn7, this is one of the threads that has meandered from the original post, through a few revivals. Some parts of it are worthy of four of the five rating stars. Any one page, taken out of context, may not be at all representative of the entire discussion, good or bad. Of late, it seems to have jumped the shark. At times, it's been a very good read. At other times, it has not been; I call these threads sifters.

I've seen your pics. I'd consider you to be curvy, but not fat. I firmly believe that you do not require a sidewalk scooter to do your grocery shopping.

One of the themes discussed on some of the back pages here is that it's unfair to use a single adjective to describe all women larger than a 14 dress size. This benefits the size 50, by including her in a group in which she doesn't belong, but is detrimental by association to those on the opposite end of the scale, because of the same overly broad definition.
 
That's the attitude :good:

I am who I am. Love it or hate it.
 
I am someone who has struggled with weight issues my whole life. Although I am currently just pleasantly chubby at 180 lbs I have seen times in my life when I have been very close to 300. Getting older and being hit with diabetes has made me much more careful about my weight, especially if I want to live a few more quality years. I personally find it very insulting when people start calling each other names, like "fat"--even though not too many would describe me as fat right now, I can quite identify with it, and it hurts me too. I have a different style myself--I become non-combative, shrink back and hope they will go away. Sometimes they do, but it really doesn't solve the problem as they always return, sensing my weakness. I admire those like Jacklyn who attack them right back and fight for themselves.

Why is it that the members who start these threads and try to pick fights don't really seem to be participating where it counts, like actually visiting and reviewing escorts? Isn't that the main purpose of this board? The ones trying to create the problems are the ones who should be getting banned, if you ask me.
 
Iambad said:
Retards love to bitch and complain.






Surprised?.

Take a month off. Show respect to our members please or don't come back.
 
Jacklyn7 said:
I am not an especially large BBW, I am a size 15, well under 200 lbs, and well proportioned. I do not get angry when I see these posts for myself, though of course I am slightly biased, but I get angry when I see any minority being picked on. Some of the posts in this thread were classy and well thought out and amazing (RIP Art Mann) but overall I just wanted to point out that it could be hurtful to the BBWs on the board, the men who see them, and the larger men themselves. It sends a message that high school picking on and bullying is acceptable because it makes some people laugh. Why others do not say anything is beyond me but I can't sit back and be silent. Apathy is an ugly thing. I realize that my not being able to be silent will not make me the most loved lady on board, and I have been through that on every other board as well. I am who I am. Love it or hate it. And for the one who called me "retarded" I do not take that as insult, I have met mentally challenged people who showed more respect, class, and intelligence than you have.

The point I've made a few times is that the 'catchall' term 'BBW' is the problem. It suggests that all larger sized women are generic, and that they are 'Beautiful' because their size is large. No one would ever consider all plus-sized men to be handsome, nor should an otherwise ordinary looking smaller woman suddenly deserve to be deemed beautiful, solely by gaining additional weight.

I find the term 'BBW' to be condescending, because it's used too inclusively, and becomes misleading, because it is too vague. If I hear the term, the mental picture I have is 'worst case scenario'; the speaker is being kind to someone to whom they feel sympathy or pathos. If someone says 'everyone is beautiful', the word ceases to have any meaning whatsoever. It's like saying everyone is the fastest runner.
 
bolt.upright said:
I am someone who has struggled with weight issues my whole life. Although I am currently just pleasantly chubby at 180 lbs I have seen times in my life when I have been very close to 300. Getting older and being hit with diabetes has made me much more careful about my weight, especially if I want to live a few more quality years. I personally find it very insulting when people start calling each other names, like "fat"--even though not too many would describe me as fat right now, I can quite identify with it, and it hurts me too. I have a different style myself--I become non-combative, shrink back and hope they will go away. Sometimes they do, but it really doesn't solve the problem as they always return, sensing my weakness. I admire those like Jacklyn who attack them right back and fight for themselves.

Why is it that the members who start these threads and try to pick fights don't really seem to be participating where it counts, like actually visiting and reviewing escorts? Isn't that the main purpose of this board? The ones trying to create the problems are the ones who should be getting banned, if you ask me.

Very much taking his avatar into account, bolt.upright exemplifies my custom title.
 
What this never ending debate boils right down to is that the majority of modern societies on the planet do not find overweight individuals physically or sexually attractive, and have a tendency to make them the object of frequent criticism and derision. The overweight individuals do not like the fact they are viewed by the majority as unattractive, and often take personal offense when honest opinions are expressed; as a result, they perpetually seek to have the rights of others to speak their mind openly and voice their opinions on the subject honestly curtailed. Until the world's majority changes their views on the subject, unfortunately overweight individuals will remain in this quandary, and bitching and moaning about it will have little effect but to exacerbate the situation. It sucks sometimes, but there it is. Maybe change the root cause of the issue, and the rest will resolve itself in due course.

Freedom of speech is a fundamental right protected by clear legislation. Just because someone's opinion on a personally sensitive subject offends you because it may hit close to home where personal insecurities and self-image are concerned, voicing that opinion (if not directed at any one individual) should not be viewed as bullying. It's simply stating a fact. Being offended, and being the object of hate are two VERY different things. Unfortunately, many overweight individuals who are the object of the discussion are not able to distinguish between the two.

If we are to accept the comments of those BBW advocates, so too must we accept the comments of the BBW detractors. Fair is fair where free speech is concerned. Example: Leo posted a picture in this thread, and stated he found the individual depicted was, based on attributes, personally attractive to him. The subject of the post obviously felt this was acceptable, and made no complaint, yet I suspect if someone else posted the same, or another photo and stated he found the subject unattractive based on the same attributes, significant concern would have been voiced, and the negative personal labels would quickly be applied to the poster. Funny how that double standard exists.

Bottom line - all members here should be free to say what they want, and state their opinions honestly without fear of backlash, or being negatively labelled, regardless of subject, and in so far as negative comments are not overly personal in nature or overly persistent.

Where the qualification of personal beauty and attractiveness is concerned, it's an escort review board people! Wake up. If you hold yourself out in the public eye for examination, assessment, and evaluation of your personal/physical attractiveness, overall service value, and individual sexual performance, be ready to accept negative comments without complaint, along with any positive acclaim that may come your way. The industry can be harsh, but if you want to work or play in it, you better develop a thick skin. If you can't do that, best to stay out of the public eye.
 
Louis XIV said:
What this never ending debate boils right down to is that the majority of modern societies on the planet do not find overweight individuals physically or sexually attractive, and have a tendency to make them the object of frequent criticism and derision. The overweight individuals do not like the fact they are viewed by the majority as unattractive, and often take personal offense when honest opinions are expressed; as a result, they perpetually seek to have the rights of others to speak their mind openly and voice their opinions on the subject honestly curtailed. Until the world's majority changes their views on the subject, unfortunately overweight individuals will remain in this quandary, and bitching and moaning about it will have little effect but to exacerbate the situation. It sucks sometimes, but there it is. Maybe change the root cause of the issue, and the rest will resolve itself in due course.

Freedom of speech is a fundamental right protected by clear legislation. Just because someone's opinion on a personally sensitive subject offends you because it may hit close to home where personal insecurities and self-image are concerned, voicing that opinion (if not directed at any one individual) should not be viewed as bullying. It's simply stating a fact. Being offended, and being the object of hate are two VERY different things. Unfortunately, many overweight individuals who are the object of the discussion are not able to distinguish between the two.

If we are to accept the comments of those BBW advocates, so too must we accept the comments of the BBW detractors. Fair is fair where free speech is concerned. Example: Leo posted a picture in this thread, and stated he found the individual depicted was, based on attributes, personally attractive to him. The subject of the post obviously felt this was acceptable, and made no complaint, yet I suspect if someone else posted the same, or another photo and stated he found the subject unattractive based on the same attributes, significant concern would have been voiced, and the negative personal labels would quickly be applied to the poster. Funny how that double standard exists.

Bottom line - all members here should be free to say what they want, and state their opinions honestly without fear of backlash, or being negatively labelled, regardless of subject, and in so far as negative comments are not overly personal in nature or overly persistent.

Where the qualification of personal beauty and attractiveness is concerned, it's an escort review board people! Wake up. If you hold yourself out in the public eye for examination, assessment, and evaluation of your personal/physical attractiveness, overall service value, and individual sexual performance, be ready to accept negative comments without complaint, along with any positive acclaim that may come your way. The industry can be harsh, but if you want to work or play in it, you better develop a thick skin. If you can't do that, best to stay out of the public eye.

You nailed it but can they understand it?.
 
Bullshit. Curvy/BBW escorts do well in business, what does that tell you? It tells you that contrary to the social pressure to NOT find overweight people attractive, people DO. Not all, of course there are extremes on all ends, but the fact is there are LOADS of men and women who find people of different sizes attractive. And free speech does not extend to insulting/hating and total ignorance and intolerance.

Midastouch said:
You nailed it but can they understand it?.
 
I like you.

bobistheowl said:
Given that no previous post was quoted, I'll accept that Iambad was just being self revelatory. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Jacklyn7 said:
Bullshit. Curvy/BBW escorts do well in business, what does that tell you? It tells you that contrary to the social pressure to NOT find overweight people attractive, people DO. Not all, of course there are extremes on all ends, but the fact is there are LOADS of men and women who find people of different sizes attractive. And free speech does not extend to insulting/hating and total ignorance and intolerance.

I have to agree. Who wants skinny anorexic women when you can have the whole package. I want to be able to grab, hold and lust over real women.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Jacklyn7 said:
Bullshit. Curvy/BBW escorts do well in business, what does that tell you? It tells you that contrary to the social pressure to NOT find overweight people attractive, people DO. Not all, of course there are extremes on all ends, but the fact is there are LOADS of men and women who find people of different sizes attractive. And free speech does not extend to insulting/hating and total ignorance and intolerance.

In truth and in fact, overweight escorts do NOT fare so well in the industry. If they did, there would likely be many more of them out there than is in fact the case. Are there some clients that seek out their attributes? Sure. Are they the majority? Nope. They are in fact a small minority of the overall client base, comparatively speaking. Let's keep it real, huh?

I also suggest that you do some research on what constitutes free speech vs. hate. As I said above, voicing an honest opinion that another may not agree with, or which offends them, does not automatically constitute hatred.
 
Louis XIV said:
As I said above, voicing an honest opinion that another may not agree with, or which offends them, does not automatically constitute hatred.


Sharp and idealistic comment but big girls are better lovers.
 
Louis XIV said:
As I said above, voicing an honest opinion that another may not agree with, or which offends them, does not automatically constitute hatred.

Wilderthanyou said:
Sharp and idealistic comment but big girls are better lovers.

For reference purposes; simpler expression, but accurate nonetheless:

"Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group. The law may identify a protected individual or a protected group by certain characteristics.

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any "identifiable group" is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code with maximum prison terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as "any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation". It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990)"


You'll notice the absence of an identifiable group assigned to physical characteristics and/or attributes.
 
Why can't we all make love instead of arguing or debating. We all are who we are, if you can't accept it then move on without hurting anyone's feelings.
 
Dorothy said:
Why can't we all make love instead of arguing or debating. We all are who we are, if you can't accept it then move on without hurting anyone's feelings.

This will become a pretty boring and worthless place if all we ever do is smile politely at each other to avoid any conflict or hurt feelings, and tell each other lies about how much we love and admire one another.
 
I'm either really deep, or really shallow (I haven't decided which one yet) but I don't see what size has to do with anything. I have enjoyed Jacklyn's company many times because she is a genuinely nice person, as well as an incredible lover. I have also seen blondes and brunettes, black, white and Asian ladies, and women ranging in size from spinners to average size to BBW's. The ones I enjoy and repeat with are the ones with incredible attitudes who make me feel special (I'm not, in any conceivable way), seem to enjoy their time with me, and appear happy to see me return. I don't care about a number on a scale any more than I care about the year of birth on their birth certificate (assuming she's of age, of course). The only thing I do ask, and maybe this is what makes me a jerk, is that there is an "F" on their birth certificate next to the word "sex"--that's the only deal-breaker I have. If you want to criticize me for that, please feel free.
 
I do not think asking people to refrain from calling ladies "fat" is the same as asking people to politely smile at each other.

Louis XIV said:
This will become a pretty boring and worthless place if all we ever do is smile politely at each other to avoid any conflict or hurt feelings, and tell each other lies about how much we love and admire one another.
 
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