Why We Still Need Feminism.

[Canada-Man]

• Feminists violently protesting against Warren Farrell at U of Toronto
• Feminists disrupt a forum for battered men
• Multiple times.
• Feminists fought against laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.
• Feminists fought against a law to end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.
• Feminist fought against men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.
• Feminists in India and Israel fought against female rapists being arrested, charged and convicted of rape.
• .
• Feminist fought a law against Paternity Fraud.
• Hateful Quotes by Feminsts
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• Feminists want to peeing while standing illegal
• Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK because she and her family received death threats and her dog murdered all because feminists didn’t like that she discovered women were equally as violent as men.
• Also Suzanne Steinmetz and her children received death threats and bomb threats she discovered that the rate at which men were victimized by domestic violence was similar to the rate for women.
• Richard Gelles and Murray Straus have all received death threats from feminists, simply for publishing their findings (that female-to-male family violence

 

[Madman]

All I want to know is can I look at a sexy woman walking down the street and not get labelled a pervert for doing so?

 

[cristycurves]

oops my apology, posted in wrong section

 

[Transient]

Right?

My favourite part of this thread is the grotesque misunderstanding of the word feminist... even though it was explained in the first sentence of the first post.

In case you all missed it, I'll make it big for all to see clearly, 'cause it's clear we have a few of skimmers here.
Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.
In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.

 

[Transient]

Sure that's true.....but some people are always going to try and shift things to their advantage or take things too far for some other reason.

You mean like by jumping into a thread and playing the "men are victims" card?

 

[Ihandsome]

 

[Agent86]

Could you point me to the sign that says "only posts that agree with the original post are acceptable"?

 

[Blank_Dave]

Why do percentages or polls have to come into play when discussing rights or wrongs. No matter how many times it's happened, no matter what the percentages are, oppressing, abusing, harassing, defaming, beating,shaming, etc, anyone/any sex is wrong. This thread was about feminism, why we need it, and we do. Not about *not* needing empathy and understanding towards male issues as well, you can have both. Being a feminist doesn't mean a woman is anti-male or uninformed about the needs of men.
Obviously a female will never completely understand a male or what they face day to day, and vice versa, one has to wear the shoes to be able to walk in them. So there will always be things to learn for both sexes and more understanding given for both sexes. So when the topic of feminism is brought up I don't think anyone needs to justify male issues, we are aware of them and supporting feminism doesn't mean you are uninformed about them or anti-male.

Ahhhh ok, I think I understand it now. We don't want to discuss percentages and polls when discussing right and wrong...Because they might prove some parties' statements as being false and misleading?

This thread was about feminism, why we need it, and we do. Not about *not* needing empathy and understanding towards male issues as well,...[/quote]

So feminism isn't about not needing empathy and understanding of men's issues. That would seem to conflict with....

In order to be considered a feminist, you only need to be on board with one idea: All humans, male and female, should have equal political, economic and social rights.

When speaking of feminism, which is largely focused on women's issues, should we not also speak on related male issues? When speaking on domestic violence, shouldn't we speak about both male and female victims? Yet strangely, when these discussions do happen, the male victims seem to be brushed aside or even have their existence denied. Is that this so called equality that you speak of?

 

[Blank_Dave]

Right?

My favourite part of this thread is the grotesque misunderstanding of the word feminist... even though it was explained in the first sentence of the first post.

Take a look at those links Canada Man provided. Those "feminists" certainly seem to go against the grain of what is being put forward as feminism. And while the below may not accurately describe them....

Feminists are not angry lesbians who hate men. Feminists do not believe women are better than men, or that women deserve special privileges. They do not believe women are victims.

They do certainly seem quite determined to shout down anyone who presents an opposing opinion. Unfortunately, when one thinks feminist they think those people. They think of the radicals, the seperatists.

 

[Blank_Dave]

This thread has been bothering me like a sore tooth as of late. Personally, I feels this claim "feminism = equality" is bullshit. There I said it. Go ahead and call me a misogynist. Please, be my guest.

I do believe in equality and equal rights. I do believe in equal pay for equal work. I do believe that people aren't property. But I do not believe in feminism.

To me, feminism represents a drive for female power and to a certain degree privilege. To me, a feminist is one who claims all men are animals; all women are victims; all the problems in the world are because of men; men cannot be victims; etc, and like most other radical types would rather shout down and brow beat those that "dare" to hold a different opinion. To me, feminists are those that appear in many of Canada Man's link.

I'll provide a few examples....
Taken from , a male pro-feminism site

Not a Two-Way street: Men are NOT the victims of what is meant by Domestic Violence and Abuse
Just as some mental problems are more prevalent among women (e.g. depression) or men (e.g. alcoholism); many crimes are very, very highly correlated with gender. Men commit near 100% of forcible rapes, 90% of murders, etc. It is a simple fact that men are usually larger and physically stronger than their female partners. It is true that men are far more often raised to enjoy and practice fighting, boxing and wrestling skills. Far more significantly, we live in a world where men globally have dominated women, physically, politically and economically, a stubbornly-held patriarchal domination which is deeply rooted in history and pre-history. So it is hardly surprising that men are the perpetrators of controlling or violent partner abuse.

But there is an adage in journalism that “When a dog bites a man, that’s not News; but when a man bites a dog, that’s News!” So perhaps on that impulse, the national press has always had a seeming fascination with the lurid possibility of “battered husbands” and frequently run articles with quotes and citations suggesting that this is a real but hidden problem. Many of these originate from so-called “Men’s Rights” groups, which proclaim that there are just as many battered husbands as battered wives. (The problem is not seen they say because the battered husbands are always just too embarrassed to tell anyone. As if women aren’t!)
Incredibly, in response to these claims, some funding for battered women’s programs has been reduced, on the grounds that equal funding should go to battered men. More indirectly, some authors and agencies and legislators have sought to linguistically de-gender the crime, describe it in phrases like “family violence,” and obfuscate the reality that this is a crime that men commit against women. (Domestic abuse among Lesbian and Gay male couples does also occur of course.)

Are there instances in which men are physically dominated and assaulted by their female partners? This does occur, often when a man has become weakened by a factor such as illness, injury, or old age. Even in these circumstances abuse by a woman is unusual and when it does occur, it is most often motivated by self defense, fighting back and other protections. Even in these instances, the language “battered husbands” is not useful especially in light of the thousands and even millions of women known to have suffered or been murdered at the hands of a male abuser.

85% of domestic violence victims are women! Wow! And only 15% are male. Wait, why is it when I go reading up on this subject am I finding numbers more like 40% male victims, and 50% female abusers. One study went so far as to indicate that 70% of non-reciprocal domestic violence was caused by women! If feminists are interested in equality, why is there such a divergence in number?

To me that final paragraph really really throws the wrench into it. In that rare 15% of the time that women are the abusers, they're still the victim. "Even in these circumstances abuse by a woman is unusual and when it does occur, it is most often motivated by self defense, fighting back and other protections." And even if a man is abused he can't claim to be a "battered husband" because so many women have suffered. I guess battered is to women what nigger is to blacks. It's their term, and get your filthy hands off it.

But let's hash those numbers male pro-feminist website provided. 85% of domestic abuse victims are female. Add to that 15% of victims are male, whose abusers are females. But they are merely defending themselves, therefore they too are victims.... So 85% plus 15% equals 100% of victims of domestic violence are women. Does that not run contra to what was claimed way, way above..." They do not believe women are victims." Houston we seem to have a problem.

The other issue that seems to trip of feminists is lesbian relationships. According to their ideology men are the victimizers, and women the victim. It would therefore seem to flow that a relationship between two women should have no potential for domestic violence. #WhoWillYouHelp Notice anything? In every example given, it's a male abusing a female. Does that mean that women don't sexually harass men? Women don't sexually harass other women? Men don't sexually harass other men? Again way up top "they don't believe women are victims". But we see a PSA that seems to say otherwise.



Now I wish I could find the car commercial from a few years ago. A couple are walking down the street, approaching a parked car. At the same time, walking in the opposite direction is an attractive woman. As they pass each other, they are also passing the car. The guy proceeds to eyeball the car, appearing to be eyeing the other woman. His companion grabs him, slaps his face and tears into him for his wandering eye, while he tries to explain he was looking at the car. That commercial aired for a week or two before an outcry grew about the woman slapping the man, and that part was edited out. Let's once more talk about equality. I applaud them for editing that scene out, but I have one question...Would they have even made that commercial if it was the man slapping the woman? I doubt that concept wasn't even tabled. But somewhere someone said "hey, it's cool for her to slap him." I mean it's happening to a man, so it can't be domestic violence.

I can go on more about this, but I shan't.

Feminism, to me, runs into the same problem that so many other -isms do. They look good on paper, they can be a great idea. It's when it gets into the hands of the people, that's when it gets messed up. Feminism has fallen into the same trap as Muslims. I'm sure that most feminist aren't militant, men haters, as much as most Muslim are quite content to live peacefully in our country and go about their business. The problem is they have ISIS, radical, fundamentalist and militants running about decrying "we represent Islam." If feminists are truly after equality, then maybe it's time to start distancing themselves from the radicals, the separatists, and the militants. When the man in your life goes out for the Walk a Mile In Her Shoes march, don his steel toed boots and join him, so you too can say you've walked a mile in his boots. (Just remember wear heavy socks.) When you go out to Take Back The Night, take a placard that reads "So my brother can walk safely at night too."

On a final, final note, even if feminists are really and truly about equality, I still think they seek to be more equal. Men are still expected to behave chivalrously. I ask the women here, who have made it this far to answer me this... Do you expect a man to give up his seat on a bus for you? And would you give up your seat to a man? If you're indeed about equality, shouldn't the latter answer be yes?

 

[Maurice Boscorelli]

Being a feminist doesn't mean a woman is anti-male or uninformed about the needs of men.
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Maybe not but there are many women who are using the feminist cover to push their own more militant dogma down our throats.

Extremists perhaps but these are the individuals that are popularized in the press and subsequently form our opinion on feminism.

 

[cristycurves]

Maybe not but there are many women who are using the feminist cover to push their own more militant dogma down our throats.

Extremists perhaps but these are the individuals that are popularized in the press and subsequently form our opinion on feminism.

Thanks Maurice, you have a point, with anything, any subject, there are those who 'll twist it to their advantage and not to improve or to validate the subject. They're out for themselves. That shouldn't color those who are doing good or the ideals of feminism. I'll never understand why anyone would allow anyone to form "their" opinion. It's not what people say about anything that makes me decide my views, it's my experiences.

 

[cristycurves]

Ahhhh ok, I think I understand it now. We don't want to discuss percentages and polls when discussing right and wrong...Because they might prove some parties' statements as being false and misleading?

--Really!! AHHhh, ok!! Who does these polls, these studies, who gathers these statistics? They don't prove anything, numbers aren't proof, they simply prove that a particular group, and no one knows how biased that group maybe, got together to gather "evidence" from where ever and this "where ever" is seldom known, or possibly a place that is built by the opposing side. Perhaps you could gather the numbers or the statistics as to the reliability of those polls you favor , lol!
You can have a discussion about a subject, ie: feminism, without referring to male issues, that doesn't negate them!! If *you* talk about male issues do *you* also discuss female issues, if not, are you anti female, does that make *you* a misogynist?

This thread was about feminism, why we need it, and we do. Not about *not* needing empathy and understanding towards male issues as well,...[/quote]

So feminism isn't about not needing empathy and understanding of men's issues. That would seem to conflict with....


When speaking of feminism, which is largely focused on women's issues, should we not also speak on related male issues? When speaking on domestic violence, shouldn't we speak about both male and female victims? Yet strangely, when these discussions do happen, the male victims seem to be brushed aside or even have their existence denied. Is that this so called equality that you speak of?

--no one brushes any thing aside, stop being a cry baby. One can speak about one subject, one topic, that doesn't, and once again, as I said in my previous post, that DOES NOT mean one isn't empathetic towards, aware of or invested in the other side!!
:no::no: what ever I say BLANK dave you'll twist and negate it... so....
(you said-feminism isn't largely about woman's issues)-it's entirely about women's issues, hence it's name.... and!!!!!! It's about wanting equality for women, not man bashing!! :YMAPPLAUSE:Thank you to Transient for pointing that out.:YMAPPLAUSE:
(you said-feminists think All men are animals), and!! so are woman, all humans are animals....so!!! But you'll argue that I'm sure, lol.
When discussing anything, do we always have to mention the other side... if I talk about having sex with women, do I need to mention having sex with men as well?? Will that make me a lesbian and hater of male sex? If I talk about Swiss cheese do I have to mention Brie, cheddar, Gouda. If I talk about gay issues do I have to mention hetro issues as well, If I talk about bitches do I have to mention bastards.....That seems to be your point, which isn't actually a point, it's a crying game!
Spill any milk this morning, lol!!

 

[Butch]

 

[ShowmeThemoney]

 

[PartyAnimal]

[h=1]Want to make a Feminist Mad[/h]

 

[Canada-Man]

A personal view by Erin Pizzey. In this shocking, but brilliant documentary originally shown on the BBC, Erin explains how feminism is responsible for destroying the family. (The original copyright is that of the BBC.)


my blog has more info

 

[Canada-Man]

Published on Sep 1, 2015
An unscripted and rant-laiden, video in response to an article written by a Feminist where she proposes "practical steps" men can take to support Feminism, which basically boil down to giving women money, doing women's work, and being a white knight for women (i.e. proxy violence) against other men.

 

[Dowant]

She is nuts.

 

[InfidelHarper]

[h=1]Disagreeing with Feminists to be Made Illegal?[/h]