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Cecil the lion reportedly killed by U.S. dentist Walter Palmer

Or do you give them a pass because they are poor guys from a poor and underdeveloped country and the hunter was a rich guy?

I blame the rich guy. Poverty in many parts of the world does not believe in anything being ethically wrong. Money rules to feed their families.
 
I can understand how their economy generates income by these hunters. But this one was cruel and illegal.

If in jail, will he have his own cell like Bernardo?.
 
WTF is it with dentists? This dumb cunt is the wife of a dentist....







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I'd love to slap that smug smile off their faces!! It's not just dentists.Ted Nugent and kendall jones are two other well known smug, compassionless, trophy hunters who get a thrill with a kill. The person in the above pictures, as many other of these turds do, show no respect for the animal they've needlessly slaughtered. It is those with money that do this because it costs, simple.but poverty shouldn't be a reason for allowing it, nor should it be an excuse for forgiving it. Killing an animal, or anything for that matter, for fun, is wrong and an action of someone missing an important human factor.
 
He is screwed now.

Zimbabwe to America: Hand over the U.S. dentist who poached Cecil ‘so that he be made accountable’





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Disgusting.

That's not "hunting."

Correct it wasn't a hunt. This was a shooting gallery. Maybe I am digging too much into it, but when they study people who are serial killers almost all of them share a few traits including having been cruel to animals.

To me a person wanting to shoot an animal simply for the sheer pleasure of shooting it is a form of cruelty. I'm not saying they are serial killers, but I have a feeling they have some serious underlying issues.

 
I don't like about this anti-hunting knee-jerk reaction that some people have. Hunters and fishermen are often the people most interested in preserving habitat and animal populations. When I worked near Lake Erie I was often involved with discussions about duck hunting clubs and sport and commercial fishing. The average person seems to think that just leaving nature alone is the way to go. Well, deer overpopulation should show you differently. If deer weren't hunted, it would lead to starvation and disease among the deer. Too big of a walleye population and they will decimate the yellow perch populations that feed so many people. Duck hunters reclaim farm land and return it to wetlands so there is more habitat for ducks and other water fowl.

--You make a point but most of the self proclaimed "conservationists" aren't preserving the habitat to save nature, or to nurture nature, they're saving it so they can continue with their "sport", and here in lies the problem that many have. *Hunting for sport*. Even people like myself will side with hunters who hunt for food, to provide for their families and lively hood, should that be all they have. But anyone who simply hunts for the thrill of a kill, well, that is what irks and baffles many. It's hard to understand how anyone sane can enjoy killing. When you speak to hunting as a way to limit populations, this irks me because animals over populate because of our fucking with nature, loss of habitat(we destroy that), demise of their predators (we over hunt and through polluting and other misuses, cause the demise of many animals), and then we blame them for over population and that gives some a reason to hunt and the cycle continues. Instead of realizing our misuses, instead of correcting them, we look for another species to blame, another to hunt.....which brings me to your next statement...

Primo said:
And African hunting safaris can do much good. The money spent by legitimate hunters in Africa goes to the locals who can then afford to preserve more land and protect more animal populations. So, while this guy was an asshole who broke the rules and deserves whatever he's got coming, let's not just turn this into a "Hunters are evil" thing.
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-most of these hunting safaris are farces made out to look like conservation pro's, most animals hunted are farm raised and raised simply for killing, it's called canned hunting. Look into that. If those who "sponsor" and support these "safaris" were truly vested in and interested in saving the species there and the land they'd come up with more viable and sustainable ways to improve the economies there and ways of teaching the people how to survive long term. Killing off and using up nature isn't sustainable nor is it beneficial to the locals. The only ones getting ahead are the wealthy. Those creating these safaris.
Saving Lions by Killing Them- is a joke!
 
--You make a point but most of the self proclaimed "conservationists" aren't preserving the habitat to save nature, or to nurture nature, they're saving it so they can continue with their "sport", and here in lies the problem that many have. *Hunting for sport*. Even people like myself will side with hunters who hunt for food, to provide for their families and lively hood, should that be all they have. But anyone who simply hunts for the thrill of a kill, well, that is what irks and baffles many. It's hard to understand how anyone sane can enjoy killing. When you speak to hunting as a way to limit populations, this irks me because animals over populate because of our fucking with nature, loss of habitat(we destroy that), demise of their predators (we over hunt and through polluting and other misuses, cause the demise of many animals), and then we blame them for over population and that gives some a reason to hunt and the cycle continues. Instead of realizing our misuses, instead of correcting them, we look for another species to blame, another to hunt.....which brings me to your next statement...


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-most of these hunting safaris are farces made out to look like conservation pro's, most animals hunted are farm raised and raised simply for killing, it's called canned hunting. Look into that. If those who "sponsor" and support these "safaris" were truly vested in and interested in saving the species there and the land they'd come up with more viable and sustainable ways to improve the economies there and ways of teaching the people how to survive long term. Killing off and using up nature isn't sustainable nor is it beneficial to the locals. The only ones getting ahead are the wealthy. Those creating these safaris.
Saving Lions by Killing Them- is a joke!

You make some very good points and I'm glad to hear you do support hunting when it's for food. It can also be for sport and at the same time food like the hunters here that go for Moose and deer during the appropriate season.
 
[h=1]The government's most macabre collection[/h]
(CNN)Not far from Denver's abandoned Stapleton International Airport sits what's probably the saddest, most macabre collection of property owned by the U.S. government.

Officially, it's called the National Wildlife Property Repository.
In reality, it holds thousands of confiscated animal items that Americans and others have tried to illegally import into the United States.
There's shelf after shelf of tiger heads, and even a stuffed tiger fetus.
There are tons of crushed ivory, bizarre and worthless medicines made from illegally poached and imported animals.
There are dozens of ivory horns from elephants. And there are horns from the endangered black rhino.

There's even a baby rhino hoof, made into a pencil holder.
The most trafficked mammal you've never heard of
The repository stores the items for teaching and educational purposes, and it destroys anything beyond that. Most of what is confiscated is destroyed.
All the items in the repository are no longer part of any investigation or prosecution.


Searching for illegal animal imports 01:45


Coleen Schaefer, the superintendent, said new items arrive every day and the packed warehouse holds only a fraction of all the items that have been confiscated.
CNN Investigations
Email your story ideas and tips to [email protected].



Nearly every animal on display in the warehouse, Schaefer said, is on the verge of becoming extinct.
Only 4 northern white rhinos left on Earth
Illegal wildlife trafficking is a multibillion dollar business, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service calls wildlife trafficking an "international crisis." The U.S. Department of Justice says illegal species trade is largely driven by Asian buyers, some who are willing to pay up to $60,000 per kilo for rhino horns.
"Each illegally traded horn or tusk represents not an antique object but a dead animal. Wildlife trafficking entails poaching, bribery, smuggling and organized crime," said John Cruden, the assistant attorney general who oversees environmental prosecution.
Zimbabwe to U.S.: Extradite dentist over killing of Cecil the lion


Cruden heads a government task force called Operation Crash, which he said is designed to target people who deal in the illegal animal trade.
In south Florida, an antiques dealer named Christopher Hayes has recently pleaded guilty to selling endangered black rhino horns to clients across the nation and even overseas.
CNN caught up with him in West Palm Beach, Florida, after he was sentenced to three years in federal prison.
In court, he told the judge he had made a "terrible mistake."
As he left, a friend held up a white shirt in front of his face, in an attempt to shield his identity from our cameras.
"It doesn't matter," Hayes said when asked by CNN to explain why he was selling horns.
The government said Hayes sold 19 pounds of rare and endangered black rhino horns worth about $400,000. As part of his plea agreement, he said he would pay the government a $1.5 million fine.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/us/illegal-animal-trade/index.html
 
Cecil the Lion's Brother, Jericho, Shot and Killed by Hunter in Zimbabwe


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https://gma.yahoo.com/cecil-lions-b...-zimbabwe-184520985--abc-news-topstories.html

What is wrong with these doctors?.

[h=1]Doctor becomes second American named in African lion-killing investigation: Pittsburgh gynecologist who has posed with dead elephants, hippos, zebras and ostriches 'killed lion in illegal hunt'[/h]
  • Pennsylvania Dr. Jan Seski is accused of killing a lion in April and his guides have been arrested in the African Country
  • It comes a week after Africa's most famous lion Cecil was killed by Minnesota Dentist Dr. Walter Palmer in early July
  • Dr. Seski has been pictured online with a series of dead animals including elephants, hippos, zebras, ostriches, and water buffalo
  • Seski is a bow hunter which means he kills animals with a bow and arrow instead of a rifle

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...iches-water-buffalo-accused-killing-lion.html
 
Heard this on the news today: They've suspended hunting and are asking for donations to make up for the loss of income. Apparently the fees paid by the hunters are what supports their conservation efforts, and if it wasn't for the hunters, there wouldn't be any lions left.

Hmmmmmm
 
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She says don't judge her its her hobby. What is ethical wrong for you then it is, mind your own business.

Apparently she killed them according to the law. Anyone know if it's true or not?.
 
Just playing devil's advocate (as most of my posts usually are).


Let's apply this thinking to the world of adult sexual entertainment. You are now siding with the same kind of people who want to step in and save SPs. Just substitute SPs for the hunted animals. They have to be protected. Sex should only be for procreation, not for sport. Most of the women involved don't choose to be there and etc. etc. etc. Just think about it.


Oh....and let's not even get started on some people's opinions on going into another country and telling their people how they should live and survive. Some will be irate because who the hell is one group to tell another how to use it's land and natural resources. They could be compared to ISIS or other religious fanatics who want to you to convert to their "Correct" way of living.....they know what's best for everyone else.

-well it's fine to be an advocate and I appreciate your points and opinion but to compare the two is a stretch, imo. I certainly don't think of anti trophy hunting advocates as fanatics. They are people who detest killing for no reason. I take the changes to the laws concerning my profession seriously and understand fully their impacts yet they aren't going to cause extinction, nor is anyone being hunted because of them, nor can anyone fork over tens of thousands of dollars to kill one and then have it called conservation.

If you are against people going into other countries and controlling how they live then I'd think you'd be against trophy hunters and those running those types pf 'safaris" . It is these people that are foreigners not locals, they may hire locals, but the hunters are always visitors as are those running the"shows". It is them fooling the locals into thinking that using their resources this way as a way of sustaining the local wildlife and improving their communities, which is bullshit and a no win situation.
Thanks for taking the time to respond:)
-A big thank you to Air Canada for banning the transport of any trophy hunted cargo and to beanie babies for making a tribute to Cecil by creating a lion beanie baby:)
 
Primo as usual you make some great points and Cristy, your passion for the cause is admirable.
 
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