Georgia Mother Shoots Home Intruder Five Times After Being Cornered in Attic

[papasmerf]

Sheik: you are correct, it is difficult if not impossible for an average civie to obtain a fully automatic firearm but it is easy to obtain the modification kits to turn semi autos into full autos. It is perfectly legal to go to a gun show, buy an M4 M16 M15 AK MP4 etc that is semi auto, then walk to the next table and buy the bolt, firing pin, and associated parts to convert it to full auto.

Now that little poster of yours is typical of the misinformation out there. It isn't only assault style weapons that is the problem.....here's a stat that should be included in that little jpg: In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm.....

The thing about that little jpg is that the excuse NOT to do anything about gun violence is that medical malpractice is worse. Umm no. What should be done is get better doctors AND take steps to control gun violence. In addition, they used those stats to prove that obamacare is bad.....well, what were the stats before his health plan went into effect? (has it even gone into effect yet?)

Anyhow, it isn't responsible gun owners who are the problem. It is the ease with which irresponsible people can obtain firearms in the US. The NRA is famous for ignoring that fact.......

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why do you not have the same disdain for the courts or LE when it comes to enforcing the laws??
Oh yea that is contrary to the agenda of disarming the US.

 

[tboy]

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why do you not have the same disdain for the courts or LE when it comes to enforcing the laws??
Oh yea that is contrary to the agenda of disarming the US.

Now you're sounding like an NRA drone....no one and I repeat NO ONE ever said anything about disarming the US. Did you throw your IQ out with the coffee dregs this morning?

 

[LickingGravity]

See, she didn't need a semi-automatic assault rifle to defend herself. Enough said. All the cutesy little banners aside. Those idots who are steadfastly against reducing the scope of the weaponry floating around out there should educate themselves by reading about what Australia/Tasmania did in the '90's after a similar nutbar shooting spree.

The Port Arthur massacre and its consequences

The in 1996 transformed gun control legislation in Australia. Thirty five people were killed and 21 wounded when a man with a history of violent and erratic behaviour beginning in early childhood opened fire on shop owners and tourists with two military style semi-automatic rifles. Six weeks after the in Scotland,this mass killing at the notorious former convict prison at horrified the Australian public and had powerful political consequences.
The Port Arthur perpetrator said he bought his firearms from a gun dealer without holding the required firearms licence.

Prime Minister , then newly elected, immediately took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence[SUP] [/SUP]and forced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.
Some discussion of measures to allow owners to undertake modifications to reduce the capacity of magazine-fed shotguns ("crimping") occurred, but the government refused to permit this.
Surveys showed up to 85% of Australians supported gun control,but some farmers and sporting shooters strongly opposed the new laws.
The government planned a series of public meetings to explain the proposed changes. In the first meeting, on the advice of his security team, Howard wore a , which was visible under his jacket. Some shooters were critical of this.

Some shooters applied to join the in an attempt to influence the government, but the Liberal Party barred them from membership.

A court action by 500 shooters seeking admission to membership eventually failed in the .
Because the Australian Constitution prevents the taking of property without just compensation the federal government introduced the Medicare Levy Amendment Act 1996 to raise the predicted cost of A$500 million through a one-off increase in the Medicare levy. The started on 1 October 1996 and concluded on 30 September 1997.The buyback purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 firearms, mostly semi-auto .22 rimfires, semi-automatic shotguns and pump-action shotguns. Only provided a breakdown of types destroyed, and in that state less than 3% were military style semi-automatic rifles

 

[papasmerf]

Now you're sounding like an NRA drone....no one and I repeat NO ONE ever said anything about disarming the US. Did you throw your IQ out with the coffee dregs this morning?

why do you mention the NRA and not the courts as being complicit?

 

[tboy]

why do you mention the NRA and not the courts as being complicit?

Because that isn't the point, the point is you being an NRA drone, see ANY type of gun control as being "the disarming of america". Only people with some sense of logic, and reason, should be allowed to debate gun control. Since the NRA has zero reason and zero logic (and I would even say a problem understanding basic english) they shouldn't be permitted to lobby, contribute to various government officials, or be a part of a reasonable debate on how to exhibit some sort of control over who gets firearms.

See, I am a reasonable person. I see the need for some people to have firearms. I see that some people enjoy the sport of hunting, target shooting etc. That is logic and reason applied right there. I also see the need to put some controls over who can have firearms and what is available. Only an idiot would through reason out the window and say any control is too much control.

Seriously, how insane (or an idiot) does one have to be to think the following are reasonable?
People who should NOT be allowed to own, operate, obtain, purchase, or otherwise get their hands on ANY type of firearm:
1) those with a history of violence
2) those with a history of mental illness
3) those under the care of a therapist, psychologist or psychiatrist
4) those with a criminal record (of any sort)
5) those under 21 years of age (those over 16 yrs of age can operate a firearm on a range only under the supervision of their parent or legal guardian)
6) those who have any of the above currently living under their roof. (although the age thing is exempt).

Are any of those restrictions unreasonable?

Now further to those restrictions, mandatory sentences should be applied to anyone breaking any of those restrictions. Namely, gun dealers or re-sellers. If a dealer is caught breaking any of those restrictions, they are subject to an automatic $100,000.00 fine. If a civvie is caught breaking any of the above restrictions, they are subject to a $50,000.00 fine or 5 yrs in jail. Their choice.

For example: daddy likes guns. His 12 yr old gets his hands on his AR15 and goes plinking out in the backyard, Dad has to cough up 50 K or go to jail. This would put the onus back on the owner to properly store the firearm, and to teach junior not to touch daddy's guns.

I would also add in a law that modifies the right to protect oneself and one's property. I would add in a clause that in order to use deadly force, the trespasser would have to present some sort of danger to the owner. In other words, you can't blast a 12 yr old in a halloween costume simply because you put up a sign. Also, you can't just blast away at a 10 yr old in a skunk costume.

 

[papasmerf]

if you had read any of my posts on guns you would know where I stand on guns.

it is not what you are claiming.

 

[Madman]

I think Tboy is dead on with his argument.

These were the weapons used and yes one was a military assault rifle with a 30 round clip. Please tell me why a civilian should be able to own one of these? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ct-school-shooter-made-combat-weapon-article-1.1220431

Shiek, you survived a knife and a hammer. Thank your lucky stars it wasn't one of the weapons in the link above. That is the main difference, you survived , you had a chance. Those children with the power the killer had did not stand a chance.

 

[tboy]

if you had read any of my posts on guns you would know where I stand on guns.

it is not what you are claiming.

because of this statement:
"Oh yea that is contrary to the agenda of disarming the US."

No one ever said anything about disarming the US.......

And I'm not sure what you mean by
"why do you not have the same disdain for the courts or LE when it comes to enforcing the laws??"

 

[papasmerf]

because of this statement:
"Oh yea that is contrary to the agenda of disarming the US."

No one ever said anything about disarming the US.......

And I'm not sure what you mean by
"why do you not have the same disdain for the courts or LE when it comes to enforcing the laws??"

the thing you need to understand is the media is plying this up to support Obama's agenda and that is disarm the US.

You constantly blame the NRA for all the problems yet there are laws on the books that are not enforced by the courts.

Take this turd for instance he has been arrested 6 times, why was he out?

 

[tboy]

I haven't read obama's agenda but I would hazard a guess that it doesn't include "disarming" the US.

Re: judges and police. I would guess that you're insinuating that the police aren't arresting those who are in possession of firearms illegally and judges aren't sentencing those same people appropriately?

 

[tboy]

Here's a major problem right here:

Jack Kingston, a Republican congressman from Georgia who is backed by the NRA,
has on Wednesday joined the ranks of lawmakers who say they would consider gun
control as part of a broader effort to reduce violence.

No politician, or elected official should be backed by ANY special interest group...ever. Any system that allowed this in the first place is FUBAR.....

 

[Shiek]

Madman,

One of these days we'll sit down for a beer and a chat.

Theres so many conflicting stories and misinformation going out there fueled by hysteria. It's best to be educated on what you're discussing.



Tboy,
Theres already over 2000 laws concerning gun control on the books, it does nothing to control the criminal use as we see time and time again. If you want to really fix the problem, its best to educate. Consider how many firearms are out there, versus the number of morons with them and compare the accident rates to other areas, you will see it's minimal, a drop in the bucket. In all honesty, its not the weapon, its the person who got their hands on them.

Look at the rap musicians and their "street cred", the violent video games and the mental state of some of these people. Then come back and talk to us about gun control.

 

[papasmerf]

I haven't read obama's agenda but I would hazard a guess that it doesn't include "disarming" the US.

Re: judges and police. I would guess that you're insinuating that the police aren't arresting those who are in possession of firearms illegally and judges aren't sentencing those same people appropriately?

Police arrest them and the courts and DAs reduce and release

 

[Madman]

Madman,

One of these days we'll sit down for a beer and a chat.

Theres so many conflicting stories and misinformation going out there fueled by hysteria. It's best to be educated on what you're discussing.

That's fine but tell me, answer me just this question:

These were the weapons used and yes one was a military assault rifle with a 30 round clip. Please tell me why a civilian should be able to own one of these?https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1220431

Why should anyone own a gun that is designed for military use if they are not in the military??

No need to change the subject to being educated or not on the topic it's a simple question which to date no one in the NRA or any gun movement has been able to answer.

 

[tboy]

Well psmerf: seems the police are doing their job but the legal system isn't. Now I know the US has the same problems we do with overcrowding of the prisons, well that's just tough titty isn't it? Want to reduce the population? Have 3 levels of criminals: 1 violent repeat offenders 2 white collar crimes 3 non-violent crimes. Put ALL those convicted of violent crimes into one big arena (say, 1000 at a time) and put in food for 500. Anyone left standing goes back to jail. There, you've reduced the population by 50%.

I find it kind of apropos that the assault weapon was registered to the mother and she was the first to get it......karma's a bitch ain't it?

I have an unreasonable solution: if you use a firearm in the commission of a federal offence or violent crime, you have a choice: both hands amputated or 20 yrs at hard labour.....

As for the 2000 laws already on the books, either enforce them or simplify them. But as stated in one of the articles I read: just because it is difficult to do, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

One of the big issues I see in the US is that laws vary from state to state. So if it is illegal to own an assault weapon in one state, drive 20 minutes to one where it isn't and get one there. Standardized laws would go a long way.

 

[tboy]

Oh, yeah, education: teach everyone that if you use a gun in the commission of a violent crime, you die. Eventually the only people left are the law abiding reasonable gun owners. What's that called? Oh yeah, war of attrition......

Like the perp in the op: he was there unlawfully, been convicted 6 times, let him bleed out. No more problems with THAT one......

 

[papasmerf]

Well psmerf: seems the police are doing their job but the legal system isn't. Now I know the US has the same problems we do with overcrowding of the prisons, well that's just tough titty isn't it? Want to reduce the population? Have 3 levels of criminals: 1 violent repeat offenders 2 white collar crimes 3 non-violent crimes. Put ALL those convicted of violent crimes into one big arena (say, 1000 at a time) and put in food for 500. Anyone left standing goes back to jail. There, you've reduced the population by 50%.

I find it kind of apropos that the assault weapon was registered to the mother and she was the first to get it......karma's a bitch ain't it?

I have an unreasonable solution: if you use a firearm in the commission of a federal offence or violent crime, you have a choice: both hands amputated or 20 yrs at hard labour.....

As for the 2000 laws already on the books, either enforce them or simplify them. But as stated in one of the articles I read: just because it is difficult to do, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

One of the big issues I see in the US is that laws vary from state to state. So if it is illegal to own an assault weapon in one state, drive 20 minutes to one where it isn't and get one there. Standardized laws would go a long way.

I agree with alot of what you have to say but I am in favor of the death penalty for those who use guns to commit a crime.
Another option is build a prison 300 miles into the Arctic Circle and send the violent ones there. Minimal guards, botanical domes, beef cattle and pigs. The prisoners work to survive or they can walk out the front gate.

I support a single Federal gun license as well as the ability to transport.

Judges who do not enforce laws should be arrested and charge with obstruction and inprisoned.

 

[tboy]

hey, we're on the same page with the prison scenario. You don't even have to go to the trouble of building the dome etc. All you need is a large wide open space.....to hell with providing cattle etc. Give em seeds and let em be vegetarian....either that or eat each other......

I sort of agree about the judges too. I think there should be a civilian review board who oversee them. Like that one who let all the perps go because the prosecutor was late? He should be disbarred and in jail........

 

[Shiek]

I can answer you simply Madman.

The Bushmaster is the civilian version of the M16 called the AR15, it shoots .223, the military version shoots the same but in full auto mode. The military version is a heavier duty one.

30 round clips have been around for quite some time. In Canada they are pinned at 5. It's against the law to remove the pin. Thus law abiding gun owners here dont touch the pins. The police and military however have no such restriction and of course the criminals never follow the law anyways. However I digress, we're talking about the states here.

Unfortunately the way the states are composed, they are permitted to set up their own laws and that is where the root of many of the problems are. In Canada the law is the same coast to coast, we refuse to allow people like David Miller to tell the rest of the country what needs to be done. If the States were to adopt the same principles as Canada and keep the law uniform across the country perhaps there would be better controls but like I keep saying time and time again. Criminals wont follow the law. So how do you think new laws will stop the problems? It wont. What will stop the problems is better education. We've seen many examples of people who were trained to treat firearms responsibly, use them responsibly. We've seen examples of average Joes stepping up to the plate and stopping criminals because they had the training and education with firearms to put a stop to it before the police or security could ever hope to respond.

Like I said, we'll talk over a beer and you can learn a few things. Maybe I'll take you up to a range and you can learn first hand how serious we treat those firearms and the safety protocols we follow.

 

[tboy]

see, the thing is sheik: sure the criminals don't follow the laws and remove the pin, this wouldn't be a problem if the weapon was unavailable in the first place...right? Same as converting assault type weapons to full auto.....it wouldn't matter if you could if the weapon wasn't available. Now sure, die heard criminals would still be able to get their hands on these weapons via illegal smuggling etc but most of these ambush type situations (like colorado) aren't committed by die hard criminals, they're committed by whack job civilians. No amount of education is going to help a loonie not shoot up a grammar school or movie theatre....

So the US opened pandora's box and let the tiger out of the cage....what most say is "you can't close the box or put the tiger back into the cage" well you can, it will just be a LOT of work and a LOT of people will go down......but if that is what has to be done, then so be it. It just takes the will of the people to override special interest groups, purchased politicians, and the minority.......what's that saying? once begun it's half done.......