Georgia Mother Shoots Home Intruder Five Times After Being Cornered in Attic

[papasmerf]

I can answer you simply Madman.

The Bushmaster is the civilian version of the M16 called the AR15, it shoots .223, the military version shoots the same but in full auto mode. The military version is a heavier duty one.

30 round clips have been around for quite some time. In Canada they are pinned at 5. It's against the law to remove the pin. Thus law abiding gun owners here dont touch the pins. The police and military however have no such restriction and of course the criminals never follow the law anyways. However I digress, we're talking about the states here.

Unfortunately the way the states are composed, they are permitted to set up their own laws and that is where the root of many of the problems are. In Canada the law is the same coast to coast, we refuse to allow people like David Miller to tell the rest of the country what needs to be done. If the States were to adopt the same principles as Canada and keep the law uniform across the country perhaps there would be better controls but like I keep saying time and time again. Criminals wont follow the law. So how do you think new laws will stop the problems? It wont. What will stop the problems is better education. We've seen many examples of people who were trained to treat firearms responsibly, use them responsibly. We've seen examples of average Joes stepping up to the plate and stopping criminals because they had the training and education with firearms to put a stop to it before the police or security could ever hope to respond.

Like I said, we'll talk over a beer and you can learn a few things. Maybe I'll take you up to a range and you can learn first hand how serious we treat those firearms and the safety protocols we follow.

in the US it is illegal everywhere to go full auto.

as you should know bursts of three is the optimum auto. Any thing that can fire more than one shot is illegal

 

[papasmerf]

see, the thing is sheik: sure the criminals don't follow the laws and remove the pin, this wouldn't be a problem if the weapon was unavailable in the first place...right? Same as converting assault type weapons to full auto.....it wouldn't matter if you could if the weapon wasn't available. Now sure, die heard criminals would still be able to get their hands on these weapons via illegal smuggling etc but most of these ambush type situations (like colorado) aren't committed by die hard criminals, they're committed by whack job civilians. No amount of education is going to help a loonie not shoot up a grammar school or movie theatre....

So the US opened pandora's box and let the tiger out of the cage....what most say is "you can't close the box or put the tiger back into the cage" well you can, it will just be a LOT of work and a LOT of people will go down......but if that is what has to be done, then so be it. It just takes the will of the people to override special interest groups, purchased politicians, and the minority.......what's that saying? once begun it's half done.......

it is not the number of shots fired that means anything but rather the number of kill shots that count.

BTW my favorite pistol it the .25 semi. I will deliver 10 of ten kill shots with it ay 20 yards or the effective range of a hand gun

 

[Shiek]

I keep saying what you're saying too papa, however no one believes me when I tell them full auto is illegal in both Canada and the US, only those with the proper credentials are permitted.


Tboy, in a country with over 280 million firearms, you're not going to make them hand over their firearms easily. You need to make them accountable. But like Papa and I have both said, the courts are not taking it seriously enough. Start there first.

 

[Ipcr66]

Don'y anyone here think she is a hero?.

 

[Shiek]

She's being a mother, protecting her children and did all the right things.

 

[tboy]

it is not the number of shots fired that means anything but rather the number of kill shots that count.

BTW my favorite pistol it the .25 semi. I will deliver 10 of ten kill shots with it ay 20 yards or the effective range of a hand gun

well, in an open field maybe I'd agree with you but in a crowded movie theatre, school class room, daycare centre, I'd say that every shot is a kill shot.....

 

[RAWD]

he was

if you think a crowbar is not a weapon equal to that of a pistol you need to be educated on everyday weapons that kill


here is my weapon of choice

Never stopped at any border or flight for having it.

I've seen a Spec Ops guy turn a plastic spoon into a deadly weapon. But that wasn't my point (unless you know that the intruder was trained in CQB)

As for guns vs crowbars, canes and swords....

Indiana jones - Raiders of the Lost Ark

 

[RAWD]

well, in an open field maybe I'd agree with you but in a crowded movie theatre, school class room, daycare centre, I'd say that every shot is a kill shot.....

Easier said than done.

 

[BuzzSaw]

I'm with Tboy and Madman on this one. I would like to see Obama eliminate and make it illegal with serious repercussions to anyone with a weapon that can rapid fire and hold more than 6 to 8 rounds in a clip as well as impose serious back ground checks right across the US. I don't believe we have an issue in Canada but in the US it is far too easy in some states to get their hands on serious fire arms.

 

[Madman]

I can answer you simply Madman.

The Bushmaster is the civilian version of the M16 called the AR15, it shoots .223, the military version shoots the same but in full auto mode. The military version is a heavier duty one.

30 round clips have been around for quite some time. In Canada they are pinned at 5. It's against the law to remove the pin. Thus law abiding gun owners here dont touch the pins. The police and military however have no such restriction and of course the criminals never follow the law anyways. However I digress, we're talking about the states here.

Unfortunately the way the states are composed, they are permitted to set up their own laws and that is where the root of many of the problems are. In Canada the law is the same coast to coast, we refuse to allow people like David Miller to tell the rest of the country what needs to be done. If the States were to adopt the same principles as Canada and keep the law uniform across the country perhaps there would be better controls but like I keep saying time and time again. Criminals wont follow the law. So how do you think new laws will stop the problems? It wont. What will stop the problems is better education. We've seen many examples of people who were trained to treat firearms responsibly, use them responsibly. We've seen examples of average Joes stepping up to the plate and stopping criminals because they had the training and education with firearms to put a stop to it before the police or security could ever hope to respond.

Like I said, we'll talk over a beer and you can learn a few things. Maybe I'll take you up to a range and you can learn first hand how serious we treat those firearms and the safety protocols we follow.

I've been to a range with friends and have fired several guns and rifles many years ago in farm country. I'm not licensed but this is going back in the 80's. I've had a gun pointed at my head which I was able to talk my way out of. You're right, I am far from an expert on the types of guns and what they can do but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a semi automatic with a 30 round clip is designed to mow down people and not meant to be used as a hunting gun. I'm aware most Canadian registered gun owners are very responsible. It can be costly in Canada to not be because the gun laws are much tougher here as they should be.

I'm not against guns I'm against assault rifles or any weapon that was designed to be used by military assault teams now being used by civilians.

My question of why the right of civilians in the US to own a semi automatic weapon should supersede the right of the civilian who wants to feel safe in a public place has still not been answered. Perhaps Obama should look at his neighbours to help make a policy for all of America but I know he will have his hands full fight the NRA and other gun crazy lobbies.

 

[papasmerf]

I've been to a range with friends and have fired several guns and rifles many years ago in farm country. I'm not licensed but this is going back in the 80's. I've had a gun pointed at my head which I was able to talk my way out of. You're right, I am far from an expert on the types of guns and what they can do but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a semi automatic with a 30 round clip is designed to mow down people and not meant to be used as a hunting gun. I'm aware most Canadian registered gun owners are very responsible. It can be costly in Canada to not be because the gun laws are much tougher here as they should be.

I'm not against guns I'm against assault rifles or any weapon that was designed to be used by military assault teams now being used by civilians.

My question of why the right of civilians in the US to own a semi automatic weapon should supersede the right of the civilian who wants to feel safe in a public place has still not been answered. Perhaps Obama should look at his neighbours to help make a policy for all of America but I know he will have his hands full fight the NRA and other gun crazy lobbies.

if you feel unsafe because people own a particular type of weapon, you need to re-evaluate what actually has you afraid.

Have you ever stood at a bus stop and considered that one driver could take out ten maybe 12 people in a fraction of a second???

 

[train]

Semi-auto should be illegal too. It all needs to be turned down a notch.

 

[papasmerf]

Semi-auto should be illegal too. It all needs to be turned down a notch.

so you would outlaw 9mm pistols??

 

[Shiek]

Explain why semi automatic should be illegal? How will that stop the criminal use of firearms? Consider this, theres over 100 million people in the US that own firearms. Out of over 280 million firearms, there been 30,000 deaths attributed to firearms, some accidental, some deliberate.

The actual number of murders committed using firearms is extremely low and based as a percentage it's a drop in the bucket compared to other deaths committed by other weapons like knives, bats, hammers. Look at the deaths related to Doctor malpractice, or drunk driving.

Screaming to outlaw firearms is not going to solve the problem and the sooner people realize that, the faster we can deal with the actual problem which is the mental state of these people. The publicity behind these shootings is giving the idiots ideas and it aint healthy ideas either. You want to fix the problem, you educate and simplify the laws and ENFORCE them properly. Too many court cases are being thrown out or plea bargains done when it comes to firearm offenses. Theres the solution right there. Criminalizing the entire population when its a minority issue is a stupid way to govern and all that will lead to is a revolt.


Keep it simple and use common sense and you'll find that the problems will start being dealt with properly and severely.

 

[papasmerf]

Sheik

you will never convince some people of the actual problem. What they see is sweeping measure would be the answer. Then when it does noting to solve the problem, they can cry they tried.

 

[hobnew]

Personally, I'm against firearms. I've been taught how to shoot, but that's the extent of my relationship with firearms.

If you think about it from a purely statistical and logical stand point, as other have pointed out, PEOPLE are the problem.
Owning guns and having a strong military is what makes the US, the US. It will not change.

Grand changes such as outlawing guns are very difficult to make in an efficient and practical government, let alone a convoluted and inefficient one like the US has now.

I agree with what is being said on the thread.
I see two methods in which they can somewhat improve the situation.
1) More strict screening/background check and a mandatory delay period
2) Stricter penalties in terms of both incarceration and fines

 

[papasmerf]

Personally, I'm against firearms. I've been taught how to shoot, but that's the extent of my relationship with firearms.

If you think about it from a purely statistical and logical stand point, as other have pointed out, PEOPLE are the problem.
Owning guns and having a strong military is what makes the US, the US. It will not change.

Grand changes such as outlawing guns are very difficult to make in an efficient and practical government, let alone a convoluted and inefficient one like the US has now.

I agree with what is being said on the thread.
I see two methods in which they can somewhat improve the situation.
1) More strict screening/background check and a mandatory delay period
2) Stricter penalties in terms of both incarceration and fines

With the changes you suggest, how do any of then keep criminals away from guns??

 

[RAWD]

This letter, from a Marine corporal who served 8 years, is making its way around the campfire now:

Senator Dianne Feinstein,


I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.


I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.


I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.


I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.


We, the people, deserve better than you.


Respectfully Submitted,

Joshua Boston


It's getting a lot of traction down south (not surprisingly).

 

[hobnew]

With the changes you suggest, how do any of then keep criminals away from guns??

Criminals will find a way to kill, no matter what. They'll use knives if guns were illegal. They'll use bats if knives were illegal. etc.

I suggested those in a purely economic point of view, as a way of somewhat hindering supply.
People tend to forget a bulk of the guns sold on the streets are bought legally then sold off / traded off.
Making it harder and risky for the fronts that procure guns for the less desirable would mean lower traffic, and lower traffic would mean higher price.
Like everything in life, higher price would mean lower demand.

It wouldn't show a significant impact as some democrats would want to see in the shortrun, but in the longrun I see it taking a toll.

 

[papasmerf]

Criminals will find a way to kill, no matter what. They'll use knives if guns were illegal. They'll use bats if knives were illegal. etc.

I suggested those in a purely economic point of view, as a way of somewhat hindering supply.
People tend to forget a bulk of the guns sold on the streets are bought legally then sold off / traded off.
Making it harder and risky for the fronts that procure guns for the less desirable would mean lower traffic, and lower traffic would mean higher price.
Like everything in life, higher price would mean lower demand.

It wouldn't show a significant impact as some democrats would want to see in the shortrun, but in the longrun I see it taking a toll.

so you punish the innocent to inconvenience to guilty?

let us look at it another way. Cars that are chipped are a clear danger to everyone on the road.
Hell they cause a ton of accidents and in some cases death. The car of choice to chip seems to be Hondas.
Make it illegal to import Hondas and you will elevate the problem.