Georgia Mother Shoots Home Intruder Five Times After Being Cornered in Attic

[Cardinal Fang]

Myself I see collectors are everywhere and collect everything from baseball cards to cars

Sorry but that's the worst comparison/analogy ever. To equate "collecting" assault rifles and I use the word collecting loosley, with collecting baseball cards shows utter lack of understanding of the issue. They are not the same thing. They have a different affect on society at large. To deal in such black and white terms does no good. There are rules for how you handle your car to protect society. Why is it so unreasonable to ask for rules on how someone obtains a weapon and handles it? It honestly boggles the mind.

I would much rather have a neighbor who collects cars in his back yard than someone who I know collects assault riffles.

 

[Madman]

I don't know if you notice this or not but only the gun nuts are following this as close as you are

and by gun nuts I mean people who go nuts when they hear the word gun.


as for owning 50 guns I am not aware of his circumstances so I can not comment.

Myself I see collectors are everywhere and collect everything from baseball cards to cars

If civilians wanted to collect fully armed army tanks or maybe rocket launchers would this sit well with you? The fact that fully functional rocket launchers are banned, is this a violation of the second amendment? Wait I could be wrong, maybe capable rocket launchers are legal in the US, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

I can't believe I'm in agreement with Madman.

* Runs off to shower with gasonline *

 

[Guido]

I can't believe I'm in agreement with Madman.

* Runs off to shower with gasonline *

That's it, CF has been drinking the holy water mixed with the vino again !

 

[papasmerf]

If civilians wanted to collect fully armed army tanks or maybe rocket launchers would this sit well with you? The fact that fully functional rocket launchers are banned, is this a violation of the second amendment? Wait I could be wrong, maybe capable rocket launchers are legal in the US, it wouldn't surprise me.

now you are taking it to the furthest extreme.

Let's get back to the point of this scum bag who should have been in jail.

 

[Dan]

James Holmes is in jail and will rot there and Adam Lanza is dead. Prior to their heinous act these individuals never gave a reason to be jailed so your logic falls short. If Semi auto assault rifle were very hard to obtain then I don't think the casualties would have been so high.

OMG, I can't believe it I'm agreeing with MM too. Cardinal save me some of that gasoline please!:biggrin2: J/K MM, just kidding.

 

[papasmerf]

James Holmes is in jail and will rot there and Adam Lanza is dead. Prior to their heinous act these individuals never gave a reason to be jailed so your logic falls short. If Semi auto assault rifle were very hard to obtain then I don't think the casualties would have been so high.

OMG, I can't believe it I'm agreeing with MM too. Cardinal save me some of that gasoline please!:biggrin2: J/K MM, just kidding.

yet Paul Slater is the trud I am talking about.

You present examples from other crimes.

 

[Shiek]

Yes, it's getting a bit out of hand here.....

There are collectors of military surplus and some have tanks. They cannot however fire any projectiles.

Lets agree to disagree on the matter.


I like the idea of limiting the number of rounds to 5 in a clip. Thats been the case in Canada and it works well.

I don't like the idea of banning the ar-15 which I call the bushmaster because some people think its an assault rifle. It isnt, it's a semi automatic rifle. It's also a very versatile firearm. The barrel lengths are easily changed, it can be outfitted with scopes, flashlights and anything else you can think of. It is also an extremely popular rifle. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but they are in the millions.

If anyone here wants to sit down and discuss firearms, I would be happy to do so. I'm not a gun nut, but I do shoot for sport (target shooting) and I have hunted birds and beasts.

 

[train]

Yup put me down with Madman, Fang and Dan. The "collecting" argument is really grasping at straws. Give your head a shake.

Haven't heard a convincing piece of logic yet not to try banning semi-automatic weapons. The fact that its versatile and popular just doesn't come close to cutting it. It's not a hunting rifle so it's clear there is no justification for it in the hands of the public.

Case closed.

 

[Madman]

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I like the idea of limiting the number of rounds to 5 in a clip. Thats been the case in Canada and it works well.

See, I for one could live with this. I don't have an issue with the Canadian gun laws as they stand today. The NRA and wing nuts in the US is a different story, they would ask for you to be deported as well for suggesting a 5 round clip.

I was reading an article earlier today and I cannot for the life of me find it now. It stated 70% of NRA members are asking for some type of control on the type of guns allowed or something to that affect. It's not about taking regular guns away from responsible people, it's about preventing powerful firearms from getting into the hands of whackos and criminals or at least make it as hard as possible.

No hard feelings Papa and Sheik, everyone has a right to their opinion. It's a good debate and one that should be had in the USA without the involvement of nut jobs like Alex Jones or the head of the NRA. I'd sit down for a beer with either of you two gentlemen but Papa would have to bring some home cooking along! Of course we'd have to hire 3 ladies for dessert after the beer!:biggrin2:

 

[Madman]

I can't believe I'm in agreement with Madman.

* Runs off to shower with gasonline *

Hold on, you forgot something, just in case you run into a whacko with a match!

 

[Shiek]

The vast majority of firearm owners in this country and in the states are in favour of severe repercussions to anyone caught using a firearm to commit a criminal act. In Canada it's a criminal act to have a handgun in your possession without the proper paperwork and it can only be transported between your home and the range, no inbetweens without the proper paperwork. IE, gunsmith for repairs. Yet we see and hear about gangbangers with handguns getting a slap on the wrist. It makes us cringe when we hear about it.

In the states, the laws are different. If they can make the laws consistent from coast to coast and make it a federal law and enforce it fairly, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of firearm owners would be happy as long as the cops and the courts ENFORCE the laws fairly and severely to those that break it.

Can we agree on that?

 

[tboy]

Yes, it's getting a bit out of hand here.....

There are collectors of military surplus and some have tanks. They cannot however fire any projectiles.

Lets agree to disagree on the matter.


I like the idea of limiting the number of rounds to 5 in a clip. Thats been the case in Canada and it works well.

I don't like the idea of banning the ar-15 which I call the bushmaster because some people think its an assault rifle. It isnt, it's a semi automatic rifle. It's also a very versatile firearm. The barrel lengths are easily changed, it can be outfitted with scopes, flashlights and anything else you can think of. It is also an extremely popular rifle. I'm not sure of the exact numbers but they are in the millions.

If anyone here wants to sit down and discuss firearms, I would be happy to do so. I'm not a gun nut, but I do shoot for sport (target shooting) and I have hunted birds and beasts.

Ah there`s the problem right there: you don`t consider the ar 15 an assault rifle since it has been limited to semi auto fire only. Well, I hate to break it to you, (and of course you`ll ignore this) but an assault rifle can be easily converted to full auto.

Mirriam Webster is the definitive place for proper definitions:

assault rifle

noun




Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use






SOrry, your opinion (albeit false) does not change fact. I mean, according to you a saiga 12 isn`t an assault rifle since it is only semi auto.....

Are you seriously trying to tell me THIS isn`t an assault rifle......

 

[tboy]

where these criminal acts???

No, and he wouldn't be tried for them because he was obviously insane. But, I believe the way sheik is using the term "criminal" is used to describe someone who say, robs a bank, shoots up a rival gang's crash pad......NOT someone who loads up and shoots up a movie theatre.....

As I've said before, these acts weren't committed by someone commonly referred to as a "criminal", these acts and those before them were committed by psychos.

They are criminals insofar as the muslims who flew the planes into the twin towers were criminals.

Sorry, no amount of "education" would prevent any of these whack jobs from committing the attacks. Sorry, but that concept is no better than trying to teach algebra to someone with OCD to "cure" them of it.......

 

[papasmerf]

No, and he wouldn't be tried for them because he was obviously insane. But, I believe the way sheik is using the term "criminal" is used to describe someone who say, robs a bank, shoots up a rival gang's crash pad......NOT someone who loads up and shoots up a movie theatre.....

that is the kind of thinking that allows this to happen.

 

[jumpingjackflash]

that is the kind of thinking that allows this to happen.

Papasmerf, in regards to Lanza and Holmes, how would tougher punishment have helped?

Do you believe Holmes will ever get out of jail?

DO you think Lanza prior to the shooting could have been arrested for anything?

 

[Shiek]

Ummm tboy, that saiga 12 is a shotgun not a rifle, it fires 12 gauge shot or slugs not bullets.

It kind looks like an assault rifle to you..... this is the saiga 12 before someone's played with the barrel length, the stock and added a few other "bad boy toys" to make it look more "evil".... That short barrel length would make it illegal in Canada for most long gun owners. It is also extremely inaccurate with that short a barrel length.

 

[Shiek]

No, and he wouldn't be tried for them because he was obviously insane. But, I believe the way sheik is using the term "criminal" is used to describe someone who say, robs a bank, shoots up a rival gang's crash pad......NOT someone who loads up and shoots up a movie theatre.....

As I've said before, these acts weren't committed by someone commonly referred to as a "criminal", these acts and those before them were committed by psychos.

They are criminals insofar as the muslims who flew the planes into the twin towers were criminals.

Sorry, no amount of "education" would prevent any of these whack jobs from committing the attacks. Sorry, but that concept is no better than trying to teach algebra to someone with OCD to "cure" them of it.......

Oh yes I am, anyone that uses a firearm to commit a criminal act INCLUDES shooting up a movie theatre. Don't try to tell me thats not a criminal act because it is.

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Oh yes I am, anyone that uses a firearm to commit a criminal act INCLUDES shooting up a movie theatre. Don't try to tell me thats not a criminal act because it is.

It's a criminal act after the fact but without removing assault rifles how can you possibly stop the crime when one has no criminal history?

 

[Shiek]

Thats a good point Repoman, a very good point.

People stop crimes every day. If you're referring to the criminal use of firearms, the only way it can be stopped is with deadly force. I've heard of many instances where crimes were prevented or stopped by law abiding citizens with their own firearms. See the one thing you guys keep forgetting is we cannot turn time backwards and remove the 280 million firearms that are there right now. So you need to work around it. It's easy enough to say lets ban them, but that does not eliminate or reduce the possibility of it happening again.

I believe there should be laws in place to restrict certain types, but I'm not an American. All I can do is suggest that they look at Canada's laws and learn from it without sacrificing the 2nd amendment. Keep the gun laws uniform across the country and make the penalties severe when the laws are broken in a criminal way. Convicted felons and people with a history of mental issues are forbidden from owning or possessing firearms as it is. So legally one cannot sell them firearms.

These so called gun free zones are a breeding ground for criminal use of firearms. They do not work in the sense that only law abiding citizens will obey it, those that dont, usually dont for a reason and that is because they plan to use firearms in a criminal manner.

People need to stop putting 100 percent of the blame on the firearms and start putting the blame on the individual that committed the criminal act. Now if McVeigh had used ak47's and ar15s to shoot up the federal building instead of a home made bomb, would you be blaming him any less? Would you be blaming the guns and not the individual? Thats the question I keep asking. Everything can be used to kill a large number of people or at least seriously injure them. People seem to forget that. It was a pair of box cutters that brought down the world trade center and destroy part of the pentagon.

Lets focus on the real problem with real solutions.