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Racial profiling by police: Tribunal awards Toronto man $40,000

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A Toronto police officer violated Ontario’s Human Rights Code when he pursued, then pulled his gun on, an innocent black man driving home from work in a BMW, a tribunal concluded Friday.

The Toronto Police Services Board and police officer Ryan Baker have been ordered to jointly pay Rawle Maynard $40,000 in damages “for injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect” in connection with the “harrowing” November 2005 incident.

Toronto police spokesperson Mark Pugash said the service is seriously considering appealing the decision.
“We are looking very, very closely at this for judicial review,” Pugash said.

“In paragraph 13 of the decision they say, ‘The question before me is not whether the respondents acted reasonably in these difficult circumstances, but whether Mr. Maynard’s race was a factor in their treatment of him.’ They acknowledge that there were difficult circumstances, but they say it doesn’t matter whether the police officers acted reasonably. That is extremely concerning.”
Maynard declined comment through a family member Friday evening.

According to testimony, on the morning of Nov. 25, 2005, Maynard was heading home in a black BMW at the same time Toronto police were investigating a gun call at the Malvern Town Centre. The suspect was a black male driving a black sports car.

Baker, who had been a police officer four years, spotted Maynard and began to follow him. When Maynard pulled into his Scarborough driveway and noted the officer had parked “in close proximity,” he approached the cruiser to find out why the officer was there.

The officer asked where he was coming from. Maynard asked why he was asking. The conversation escalated. Baker pulled out his gun. Other officers arrived on scene and some took out their weapons. Maynard was forced to his knees and put in the back of a cruiser. At that time, a voice over the police radio said the suspect had been spotted. Maynard was released.
A neighbour who witnessed the incident supported much of Maynard’s account.
In his testimony, Baker denied race played a role in any of the decisions he made that morning.

Maynard told the tribunal the takedown left him “terrified … humiliated in front of his friends and neighbours,” and fearful of police.
In the 60-page decision, adjudicator Leslie Reaume concluded that “I do not believe that if the suspect had been a Caucasian man in the same circumstance, with no other defining characteristics, particularly age …[that the officer] … would have chosen to investigate the first Caucasian man he saw driving the same car at the same intersection.”
 
like i have always said: one day the only description you'll be able to put forth after a bank robbery is "two humans robbed a bank"........you won't be able to state their age (age bias), race (racial profiling) height (indicates prejudice against short people) sex (sexual profiling) etc etc etc.......

Once again, if Maynard had just answered the officers questions, he'd be on his way and none of this would have happened. As a citizen, if I matched a suspect's description i'd have no problem helping the police do their job by answering their questions......
 
Once again, if Maynard had just answered the officers questions, he'd be on his way and none of this would have happened. As a citizen, if I matched a suspect's description i'd have no problem helping the police do their job by answering their questions......

Maynard didn't have to answer the officers questions.

Anyway, how do you know; even if he did answer that the officer wouldn't have pulled his gun on him? What if he gave the "wrong" answer ? Do you have some magical looking glass you forsee the future?
 
Maynard didn't have to answer the officers questions.

Anyway, how do you know; even if he did answer that the officer wouldn't have pulled his gun on him? What if he gave the "wrong" answer ? Do you have some magical looking glass you forsee the future?

Yes he does.....an officer has the legal right to demand identification from someone...you don't have to provide it, but an officer has a legal right to detain someone until their identity can be proven.

But once again, not everything is a battle.....and those who turn it into one become battle scarred.....sound familiar? Maybe if YOU changed your attitude you'd have a much simpler life......
 
I would have answered the questions.

If the suspect was a bald white dude driving a beat up old shit box of a car and I was pulled over, I would have done everything in my power to make them go away and convince them it was not I. He MIGHT have been entitled to the $40K, but I'll bet he had to go through a ton of bullshit to get it. Personally, I would have rather spent the 5-10 minutes and go on with my stress free day.
 
The judge OBVIOUSLY didn't go by any of yous opinions :LMAO:
 
The judge OBVIOUSLY didn't go by any of yous opinions :LMAO:

What don't you comprehend here? We are talking nothing about the law suit, just that we would have acted differently in the situation.

You might have just said,"I have a goldfish", because neither that nor what you posted have any bearing on the discussion or the opinions we expressed.
 
I would have answered the questions.

If the suspect was a bald white dude driving a beat up old shit box of a car and I was pulled over, I would have done everything in my power to make them go away and convince them it was not I. He MIGHT have been entitled to the $40K, but I'll bet he had to go through a ton of bullshit to get it. Personally, I would have rather spent the 5-10 minutes and go on with my stress free day.

What don't you comprehend here? We are talking nothing about the law suit, just that we would have acted differently in the situation.

You might have just said,"I have a goldfish", because neither that nor what you posted have any bearing on the discussion or the opinions we expressed.

I wish I knew what the hell you were talking about...but anyway what my answer to all of you was your type of opinions DON'T MATTER. :shout:
 
If you require a remedial reading and comprehension class, I'll be more than happy to provide you with a link.
 
My believe is that the dude had attitude to begin with and was playing I am black and you are picking on me, which is wrong.

Black or white, what is wrong with answering the cop's question?.
 
My believe is that the dude had attitude to begin with and was playing I am black and you are picking on me, which is wrong.

Black or white, what is wrong with answering the cop's question?.

Agreed. We all have a moral obligation to ensure a safe society, sometimes that required a few minutes with an officer, Fireperson, or a few days of jury duty. So be it.
 
If you require a remedial reading and comprehension class, I'll be more than happy to provide you with a link.

It would be helpful if you used your own advice; the article is not about what a white old man with a beat up truck (loser) would do if confronted in such a situation, rather with a black man driving a BMW (successful)




My believe is that the dude had attitude to begin with and was playing I am black and you are picking on me, which is wrong.

Black or white, what is wrong with answering the cop's question?.

Or it could have been: "the cop..wtf is this DWB (driving while black) in a BMW in an affluent neighbourhood, he must be here to rob somebody"
 
Honeybee, why do you have such a hatred towards cops. They are not all bad, get a grip on yourself.


Have a warm beer and chill.
 
Honeybee, why do you have such a hatred towards cops. They are not all bad, get a grip on yourself.


Have a warm beer and chill.
don't try and hi-jack the thread with your warm ass beer uggggghhh:NoNoNo:
 
HoneyBee said:
It would be helpful if you used your own advice; the article is not about what a white old man with a beat up truck (loser) would do if confronted in such a situation, rather with a black man driving a BMW (successful)

Ah, so you profile by appearance as well...
 
Come on, the alert was a black dude with a gun driving a sports car. He's black, drives a sports car and is being evasive and a bit confrontational, really I don't blame the cop one bit. I wonder if the officer had been black if it would have made a difference when he pulled out his gun. I've been pulled over fitting a description of a burglar. I tell you I almost shit myself when the police cruisers boxed me in. First thing I did was put both my hands on the top of the steering wheel and didn't move until I was given instructions. The officer approached my vehicle with his hand on his gun but not drawn. He asked me for my id, once I handed it too him and was very polite about it he waived the others off, apologized, told me why and left. No harm no foul, the dude was doing his job.
 
So HB gets it, player was putting forth an analogy comparing what happened with the black dude to what would happen with a white dude.....only difference is that in our over reactive PC world we automatically think it is racist because one looks at the race of a suspect in order to apprehend them.

I knew this day would come....

This reminds me of the "just deserts" shooting where four ahem black men shot up the joint. During the media storm afterwards the chief Bill Blair I believe, put forth the stat that 65% of the crimes in the city were committed by black people even though they only made up 35% of the population. A black leader spoke out and said that was racist, not that it wasn't accurate, but it was racist because they didn't include the stats on all other races.....sorry, but if there is a stat that is important for everyone to know, then it doesn't matter what the criteria is, it shouldn't be vetted to make it PC.

I'm reading a book now that is about the extremists and how it may be possible for them to take over the US using political correctness as a weapon. It is using the premise that no one would speak out against any extremist because it would be construed as racial profiling....we can see similar situations here in canada in regards to christmas trees in government offices, malls etc......
 
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