SP & Travel

[Hector17]

Ok...I am thinking of celebrating my birthday, combined with my official retirement on Dec 31.
As you may know, I am heading to S.A. for a month in January, and am considering asking a gal (guess who) to visit me there for a bit.
I am clueless though on what rates I should expect and I am afraid to ask in case my reaction to the "sticker shock" affects what I already have going on in a negative way.
I am thinking of throwing a figure of $5,000 out there and knowing the flight will be about $1000, it will leave about $4,000 as the donation.
What do you guys think is a fair expectation...# of days etc....I understand all expenses at the other end will also be borne by me.

It is sort of a last hurrah, as I plan to drastically change my hobbying habits in 2016....It's been a great 4 year run, but time to review my priorities in retirement, and where the $ is best spent...ie extended travel/stays etc.

 

[Skinflute]

I am clueless who, do you mean Monique!!

 

[Hector17]

Yup...she's the one I have the best connection with...we have a lot of the same interests, or at least enjoy common activities...gym, yoga, music etc....we both love the beach and sun, and spend a lot of time laughing with one another....as well as...;-)

 

[paul mott]

Well that's what I did the first year after my separation, I did as much research as I could to find someone compatible on a personal level, as that criteria is more important than service or rate. Someone might do it on cheap, but you find you can't stand her 24/7, and often it's the little habits that can be annoying, as you don't know the person in the context of being with her full time.

I found quoted rates for overnights or going away for a week, vary tremendously. I went to Mtl and spent the night with a very popular girl who I was considering taking for a week to Aruba. It went well, so I asked her and she said $5,000 plus expenses. I had no previous benchmark to compare, and as I was in my wild mode, I agreed. We went and the girl who I thought was so pleasant, and who had so many positive reviews, turned out to be a TOTAL disaster. Her personality changed completed, and she was a do you know who I am princess type, from the way she strutted around, to her spending hours getting ready just to lie on the beach, or go anywhere. There's a lot more to the story, which I can tell you guys in person sometime, one of which is that she got caught smuggling jewellery she had bought, unknown to me, on her return to Canada. I left her at the TO airport after she got hauled into secondary, to fend for herself and to get back to Mtl, while I took the train back to Ottawa the next day.

In your case you know Monique far better than I knew this girl, so you'll be fine. The caveat however is that you can know a girl very well and get along casually, but living with her might be very different. As far as what a particular girl will charge you, also depends how badly she'd like to go for an all expense paid vacation. In that sense you're in a better position to negotiate. If I had it to do again I wouldn't pay that much, as I know some who'd go for half that under those conditions, and others who wouldn't charge anything just to have a free trip would be sufficient. Who knows, maybe she'd be one of them.

If you haven't mentioned it to her yet, why not causually ask her if she's ever gone away for that long before, and ask how much that would have cost the guy. If she hasn't then I'd ask her what she thinks would be reasonable, given you're paying everything else. If you suggest $5,000, you dont' know if she would have suggested less. I wouldn't suggest any amount and leave it up to her, and then negotiate from from what she thinks is reasonable.

 

[Hector17]

I was thinking of that too....I think she'd like to go, based on her 'oohs and ahhs" when I told her about it.. she asked for info on Ecuador, and Atacames etc...which I sent WikiPedia pages, and photos of...she acted impressed....maybe she would like a getaway, and that coincides with my offer such taht it wouldn't be too high...do think there is "floor" though...5, 6 700 a day?

 

[paul mott]

I've done many many overnights, and I've learned that sometimes a girl who you've established a nice connection with, wants to do an overnight as much as I do, as many don't have bf's to have that type of intimacy, so for them it's not so $ driven, as one might think.
Based on what you've said, I'd say you're very much in the driver's seat here, as this isn't just any old ordinary overnight, or weekender, to somewhere close, but rather to a place she clearly would love to go to, as it's not an opportunity any girl gets very often, or to even go on her own, which she likely won't do anyway. Her comments are that she's envious of your trip, so that to me is a good sign for you.

Given the over all reaction, and you're great connection to each other, I'd just say, would you like to go with me, as I can't think of anyone who'd I sooner spend that kind of special and rare times with, as it's not a chance either of you will be able to do again. Tell her it won't cost her anything at all, and given how much you have in common together, it will be the trip of a lifetime.

Don't even suggest to her about "fees", and instead focus on the fact it will be a one time chance for you both to spend quality and extended time together. If she feels that you should pay her some fee money, in addition to the large amount that it will cost you for airfare, etc, for her, then she'll say so, but don't plant in her mind that you're willing to pay anything in normal time together fees. If it did happen then you deal with it only at that time, but right now it's not on the table.

She'd know it will be an expensive trip, and I think she'd probably feel uncomfortable asking you to pay her additional professional fees of some amount. Basically, start at zero amount, and let her decide if it stays at zero or moves up, and by how much. The normal fees rules can go out the window in this kind of situation. For example, take Penny who I did a 16 hr overnight with, and she only charged $300, as it was something she really wanted to do.

Even if she were to suggest a fee, I wouldn't cave in right away, and instead remind her that taking her will cost a lot more, and that while your times together in the past had a business aspect, this time it should be to celebrate and appreciate all the great times you both had together, and this is your way of showing your appreciation to her. You're offering her a beautiful and expensive present, so I think she'd feel greedy and ungrateful, if she were to ask for more in terms of fees.

 

[Hector17]

hmmmm....I like your perspective on this....makes a lot of sense

 

[Skinflute]

Paul you are one slick negotiator.Praise-Bowing Having everything down to the last detail with rational to boot. Can you imagine Mimi on such a trip even if it was only to Miami, Cuba, Dominican Republic etc. you would have everything for the price of air fare and an all inclusive resort with all the yum yum to boot.

 

[paul mott]

In Hector's case, over a long period of time, their relationship has become much more than just physical, it's now a genuine friendship. They already do many non sexual things together and she doesn't charge him for that time, so this trip is simply doing similar fun activities together, but just for a longer period of time and farther away, so in theory it's not that much different. Yes there will be sex times, but in the course of 24 hrs it's a small amount of time (well maybe not...lol) It's kind of like a barter trade deal, where one person has something the other wants or needs, and vice versa, but no money is involved. If she wants fees then she risks loosing out on going on a trip she'd love to go on. Hector's in any envious position of being in financial control, which doesn't happen often in this hobby.

If he sells this to her as being his way of showing his thanks and appreciation for her lovely friendship, and all the wonderful times they've shared together, then it will put the focus on her emotional side, as she'll be very touched by the offer and the reasons behind it. I think promoting it that way, you make it morally impossible for her to then ask for fees. In hindsight, I sure wish I'd done that rather than pay that $5,000 fee, as well as the $10,000 in total travel expenses, which included her train Mtl to Ott and then both of us onto TO and return.

 

[paul mott]

Right now I'd just be happy if she'd do an overnight with me. She finally has said she would, but for her it's hard to get away, especially as she's the only girl working there right now. A couple of months ago she was thinking of cutting her hair shorter, but I told her not to, so she hasn't and now it's almost to her waist. As well the other hair is thicker too )

However, tomorrow after work I'm picking Victoria up for her first outcall with me, so that will be fun, as she so petite and no tats like Sky has. Also has very long black hair.

 

[Skinflute]

Paul

she so petite and no tats like Sky has. Also has very long black hair

Hoping your bionic dick is not sending you false readings :unknw: I am sure your pussy sensor is accurate :biggrin2:

 

[paul mott]

No false readings, my antenna is ready to be raised tomorrow, to pick up signals from bionic vaginas!

Hector, whether you pay fees or not, you're still a very lucky guy to have the chance to take someone as classy as her away, for an entire week. I'd be happy with just one overnight, and you're going to have 7 of them, plus day time fun...that's what I call a happy retirement!

 

[Hector17]

No...not a week...I get the impression that she is more of a 4 night/5 day type of getaway....she has indicated that that is her travel style...even with family etc

 

[paul mott]

Oh I guess when you mentioned Ecuador, I figured it must be a week given the distance. Nevertheless it's still a nice amount of time to spend with someone like her. Now I have to ask, do you have a plan B, i.e. Jessica?...or is M or no one else? Good luck when you pop the question!

 

[Hector17]

No...no backup. I am going for 4 weeks, so trying to organize a visit. It is also possible that Lusty Layla, who will be in Colombia could be persuaded to come by for some R&R, and perhaps Evelyne LeMay might be on another SA pilgrimmage ;-), but those are just abstract possibilities...I am pretty focussed on MM. Lots to consider...Airfare, Cabs, Med Insce, Dog Boarding etc etc, and that's prior to the rate...

 

[paul mott]

I totally understand your concern for the costs if M came, as I've been through that, and looking back can't believe how much it cost, and that I actually paid all that, aside from her fee. I had a lot to learn back then. I still say and think you shouldn't pay her any fee, given the overall circumstances of the two of you, and the other costs you'd incur for her, which are fees too.

 

[Ryan1967]

I tend to agree with Paul, that the starting point should be hey here is a free all expenses paid trip to Ecuador, however for the SP's that do travel with clients I can assure you they charge a fee. I remember reading a blog post from Kylie Daniels (who I think has an ego the size of Kansas) and she was going on about how she insists on having her own room when she travels with clients so she can have her "own" time and I think she required a budget for buying shit...it was nuts...I rememeber saying to myself...who on earth actually does this? I guess filthy rich guys do...it seemed kinda sad to me when I read it. I cannot imagine MM will be like that but sheesh.

 

[paul mott]

Wow that is nuts, and as you say a huge ego and the size of a Mack truck. Even though super rich guys can afford it, you wonder why they'd take someone like that, verses another one that's super hot, but without the baggage to deal with. As they say, there's someone for everyone.

 

[Hector17]

Well, I already brooched the subject a while back, and said it would be special, but that I would be living much like in a B&B while in Quito, and when at the beach, it would not be "The W", as I am going to a more native type area, so hotels will fit the locals' standards vs American tourists, ...she was good with that..and I asked her if she'd be sleeping with me...she said "only if I promise to wake her up during the nights"....gotta like that.

 

[paul mott]

Based on what she said, there's no question she'd be packed in an hour ready to go with you, and I can't imagine her charging you. If that was a possibility or criteria, I think she would have at least implied that to you during your conversations. She certainly wouldn't wait to tell you after you got there given the relationship you have with her. She sure sounds very down to earth and not a prima donna type who has to have luxuries all the time.