Still making friends...Or not! Suspect I will really light up the board tonight...

[Analme]

Where is Ms. Liese? I miss her already.:Rose:

 

[poker123]

Also men can not make up there minds on if this is strictly business or not. Both sides now use that as way for gain the power. If a girl doesn't suck a guy off BB, she was strictly business and that is a bad thing. If she refused to suck a dirty cock baeback, then it is strictly business and that is a good thing. Why is it not just "her" business?

Haven't really read much of the thread but.. I really don't think this actually happens. I know I've read plenty of reviews that say something along the lines of "yes she only likes cbj but that was fine with me, it was still great and very sensual..." etc.

Kind of feel like you just built up this straw man to support your argument.

I could just be misinterpreting what you're trying to say though.

 

[Art Mann]

Where is Ms. Liese? I miss her already.:Rose:

Perhaps she's still waiting for a certain member to get down on his knees and beg forgiveness:

Still awaiting my apology for the insult remark.......?!? Why don't we start with that first....

Annaliese

Apparently she believes apologies should come her way, even if she's not willing to apologize for insulting all the board members here with her

 

[tboy]

If one sees the transaction as strictly business and another looks at it as something more special, you see this as guys who can't make up their mind?
I know you said you're generalizing but to say we can't make up our minds is demeaning to me and I'm hurt. :Crying/:
:wink:

The thing is, generalizing that those two men are one in the same is completely wrong. While yes, there are those of us who realize it is purely a business and act accordingly and there are others who expect more. Probably why many sp's offer the GFE......umm that stands for girlfriend experience does it not?

The bottom line is guys invented these sites because we were tired of being ripped off with bait and switch. No matter how you cut it or what happens after, men are no longer (or less so) being ripped off. Now anyone who disagrees with the premise of these sites should never ever bitch and complain when they go to a famous steak house, order the kobe beef special for $200 and end up with ground dog meat. I know, it's harsh but in reality that what guys went through, myself personally I booked an sp who advertised that she was hot, blonde 22 yr old 34c 22 34 and got a 35 yr old homely overweight woman with surgery bandages still in place......

1) guys who "complain" about the time limits are assholes. End of story
2) guys who don't realize YMMV are assholes. end of story
3) guys who don't realize this is a business transaction are idiots, end of story.

If all, most or the majority of customers were like the above, then sp's wouldn't be in business. I have gotten to know quite a few sp's outside the biz and many have related their experiences, good bad and indifferent. I have yet to hear an sp say to me: I got tired of all the clients being idiots.

As for bliss's description as the OP having "spunk" I think the issue is one is mixing up "spunkiness" with being a "bitch". Now if there was good natured teasing going on, and she was giving it as good as she got, then that's "spunk". Insulting your potential clients, "challenging" them, etc isn't spunk, if a guy did it he'd be called an asshole......

 

[Art Mann]

. . . I think the issue is one is mixing up "spunkiness" with being a "bitch". Now if there was good natured teasing going on, and she was giving it as good as she got, then that's "spunk". Insulting your potential clients, "challenging" them, etc isn't spunk, if a guy did it he'd be called an asshole......

Looks like Game, Set, Match for tboy.

 

[HOF]

Look what Analme found!​

 

[poker123]

She advertises that she's in her early 40s? lol

 

[Danolo]

I had a wife like Anneliese once... could not stand her either...

 

[-b]

Guys, if you do not care for her then why bother.....
I realize some are joking but not all....

Leave the Lady alone.....Why not just pm each other with your negative
comments......There comes a time when it is enough.....

If you want to pick her apart well you should first look at yourselves....I do not
think most of you are Handsome.....and well built...The Lady posted to advertise...
If you do not care for her that fine but do not start to put down her looks or age...
Move on.....

Smack me if you want but I can see this going down a very mean road.....
All because some do not like what she wrote.......

 

[blackram]

I think it's time to close this thread. The OP has left the thread, what's the point anymore?;Idon't- know//

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

If one sees the transaction as strictly business and another looks at it as something more special, you see this as guys who can't make up their mind?
I know you said you're generalizing but to say we can't make up our minds is demeaning to me and I'm hurt. :Crying/:
:wink:

Hon, I hear all the time from men....women just can not make up their minds.......:LMAO:

Explain that one.....or it just one sided argument when it a woman.....

Many men and women can't make up their minds.

But that's different from what Femme Fatale was saying, she said guys say they want a more business-like arrangement then said they want a less business-like arrangement and said they were changing their minds.

But they aren't changing their minds, they are keeping the same opinions.

Get it?

She's talking about two different types of guys and she's putting them all into one bag in her generalizing which is demeaning to us.

I am not talking about 2 different type of men at all. I am talking about the one man that picks and choose what he wants as "business" and "GFE"

The time factor is a great example. If SP A ensures that you are in and out the door within exactly 30 mins, and is discrete when looking at the clock - she is still a clock watcher = bad, but it is a business and you have only paid for 30 mins. The guy reviews as such. SP B who goes over time gets the non-clockwatching comment in her "glowing review" however.

Then add to that the next guy who is delayed because SP B went overtime but that is another story. So SP A can give the exact same service as SP B but is it SP A that is the one who is in it for the money and that is looked down upon. Even though she was professional and did her job within the time the paid.

And funny enough SP B who went over time was late but that is okay, and her room was not the cleanliest or the nicest but that is okay too. Why? Because she was non-professional and gave you more time. Happens all the time in reviews. Same reviewer seeing both ladies, but SP B will get the better the review and she doesn't deserve it.

I know exaclty what I am talking about and maybe I simply cannot express it properly for you, but I know I am right with this one.

Now not all men, but a far bit do this all the time. Most without even realizing.

if bbbj is advertised,I'm clean and disease free then I should receive a bbbj. If the sp decides to do a CBJ I should be given the choice to leave with all of my money in my pocket or perhaps offered a cut rate.

I will also go as far as saying if the SP has a client who refuses to shower at the incall prior to the fun she should kick his dirty ass out of the room and keep a decent cancellation fee.

What about the guy who goes into the bathroom and turn the shower but doesn't get in or doesn't wash, just let's the water run on him because he doesn't want to lose time?

As for the BBBJ, I am sorry but she doesn't know you are disease free and so long as she advertises YMMV, then she is doing nothing wrong. Lastly, you may think you are clean, but you may actually not be. Don't take it personally. I am just replying directing you because you used yourself as the example.

Haven't really read much of the thread but.. I really don't think this actually happens. I know I've read plenty of reviews that say something along the lines of "yes she only likes cbj but that was fine with me, it was still great and very sensual..." etc.

Kind of feel like you just built up this straw man to support your argument.

I could just be misinterpreting what you're trying to say though.

I am not arguing You can think what you want. I am simply debating the other side. As I said, I can debate the male point of view if you like.

I wish you guys would actually read what I am writing because I already said that. I already said I was generalizing for debate sake and that I mean no disrespect or hard feelings and these are not my personal opinions, yet seems the men here want to get their feelings hurts or to take offence. I don't know why, but maybe I should just call men retards because apparently if I do that and people take offense I can at least that people are being "overly-offended" for no reason.

The thing is, generalizing that those two men are one in the same is completely wrong. While yes, there are those of us who realize it is purely a business and act accordingly and there are others who expect more. Probably why many sp's offer the GFE......umm that stands for girlfriend experience does it not?

The bottom line is guys invented these sites because we were tired of being ripped off with bait and switch. No matter how you cut it or what happens after, men are no longer (or less so) being ripped off. Now anyone who disagrees with the premise of these sites should never ever bitch and complain when they go to a famous steak house, order the kobe beef special for $200 and end up with ground dog meat. I know, it's harsh but in reality that what guys went through, myself personally I booked an sp who advertised that she was hot, blonde 22 yr old 34c 22 34 and got a 35 yr old homely overweight woman with surgery bandages still in place......

1) guys who "complain" about the time limits are assholes. End of story
2) guys who don't realize YMMV are assholes. end of story
3) guys who don't realize this is a business transaction are idiots, end of story.

If all, most or the majority of customers were like the above, then sp's wouldn't be in business. I have gotten to know quite a few sp's outside the biz and many have related their experiences, good bad and indifferent. I have yet to hear an sp say to me: I got tired of all the clients being idiots.

As for bliss's description as the OP having "spunk" I think the issue is one is mixing up "spunkiness" with being a "bitch". Now if there was good natured teasing going on, and she was giving it as good as she got, then that's "spunk". Insulting your potential clients, "challenging" them, etc isn't spunk, if a guy did it he'd be called an asshole......

I never said that that these sites were wrong, but I will say that the way some{ a fair amount} men use them is totally wrong. I am not going to back down from that and when you have one group of men who do bitch about time, ALL the time. Who do bitch about YMMV and who do bitch that it is not true to "their idea" of GFE. And they are the ones writing reviews - there are going to be issues. So other men read and then do not book not knowing, realizing or understand that these clients are as you called them, idiots. Then a lady speaks out and she is slammed. It is a no win for her.

The fact that I have read more then a few times that if the shower for two is not on the menu then she is not a GFE and it is a now deal-breaker is showing just how much farther men are pushing for more. It is a business and while SPs are smart enough for the most part to know that men want more then the business deal is a bonus for you guys.

Also -

those two men are one in the same is completely wrong. While yes, there are those of us who realize it is purely a business and act accordingly and there are others who expect more.

I am not wrong. I know for fact that these "types" of men are not all types at all but the same men picking and choosing which side of the coin to be on depending on what they want at the time. Are you really going to try and tell me that I don't know what I do? I already said it was a generalization for the sake of the debate. I am not talking about all men. I have made that clear a few times now, but to say they are different people entirely is untrue. I am sorry but it is and therefore I am not wrong in lumping them together.

TBOY one other thing I want to possibly remind you. You probably won't agree but that is par for the course. You are a man and sometimes no matter how close you think you are with women, they will always be more truthful in regards to these topics with another women. I know many ladies who are and were sick of the "idiots"


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Now I have still not read the OP's comments through out this thread and from the replies I am getting, I am sure I would not agree with most of what she has said, but I do see that while review boards have helped men in saving money - WHICH I TOTALLY SUPPORT - I see that now the tables are turning in negative way. These boards should have been used to balance things out between SP and Client. Not have client try and take the power and control over the ladies. It should be a balance in power and it is tipping the other way. You want to say it is needed to be fair, then keep it fair, but that is not what is happening.

What about the people who simply create boards to falsely review providers they don't like. Be an outspoken female on these boards and you have a target on your head. Ask JL. How many threads did she have to read where people were calling her every name in the book simply because she posts in the lounge on another board or two.

So since everyone likes the restaurant critics here, critic doesn't like cheif A's loud opinions about the NDP party and he reviews the restaurant as a piece of crap????? How far is that?

Just some food for thought.......

 

[tboy]

I dunno about your two examples being the same guy, that's like saying at one point a person is an A personality and then at another time they are a D....doesn't fit....unless of course they are psycologically unstable lol.....But I can see a guy realizing it is all a business then clicks with an sp and then being disappointed with the clock watching......

Now as for the reviews where one says "she's a clock watcher"...those of us with a head on our shoulders would think "ok, so what if you got your 60 minutes worth" now if she's a clock watcher and cuts your time short, then by all means, bring that up in a review.

As for a shower cutting into a guy's time, ummm, if I ever went to an incall and the shower and prep was part of my time, and was told so at the door, I'd turn around and leave. IMMEDIATELY. Sorry, but IMO this is a bs way of cutting it short. Specially when (and I have done incalls although rare) I always make sure I am clean as a whistle when I arrive. Just like an agency who states "my time starts when she buzzes my apartment"...ummm no, because my unit ended up being on the top floor at the other end of the building and with slow elevators it could take her 15 minutes to get to MY door. Just like if I go to a lawyer and he starts charging me the minute I hit the lobby...ummm no.

Anyhow, yes, there will always be people who abuse the system no matter what that system is. But the bottom line is that the review boards save us guys from getting ripped off. IMO there is never anything wrong with that.

BTW: as for an sp getting reamed because she came on here telling her side of the story, ummm I have yet to see that....unless of course you can tell right off the bat that she's full of crap......In fact, if memory serves, I've seen the GUY get reamed once we hear the other side of the story.

Now as for sp's on the sites, well, as I said in a previous post: this is our place. A place for guys to scratch their nuts and bitch and moan about just about anything. In other words, A LOCKER room. If a woman wants to hang out here then she cannot get upset because of the smelll of beer farts and hairy balls.....and I myself have probably chased women out of here, not because they're women, but because I treat them no differently than I treat guys because, after all, the law states we are 100% equal in every respect......because a woman comes into the guys locker room and expects to be treated differently, then that's her problem....I will not EVER treat a woman any different than men because, as I said, they are equal in all things.

Oh, and bottom line to all this, if a woman has a NR policy, most mods will remove a review if requested.......now it is up the businessperson to inspect these sites and find out if someone posted a review....that's just part of the business.

 

[Guido]

I don't believe it's tipped the power one way or the other. It's obvious when one is bitching about a session when it's unfounded. It's also obvious when one is attempting to run a marketing campaign for the service provider.

It is always a providers choice how she runs her business but as someone else mentioned, it's always our choice where we spend our money.

NRP, I would never book a provider that has a nrp. The way I look at it, it's better safe than sorry and leaving all upset after a mediocre session.

Femme, what happened to the "client always being right":biggrin2:, I know don't get your purple panties in a knot ,it's not the same as buying a car.

One more question before I exit, Femme, am I correct about the purple panties?

 

[Transient]

One more question before I exit, Femme, am I correct about the purple panties?

Yes! :good:

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I dunno about your two examples being the same guy, that's like saying at one point a person is an A personality and then at another time they are a D....doesn't fit....unless of course they are psycologically unstable lol.....But I can see a guy realizing it is all a business then clicks with an sp and then being disappointed with the clock watching...... Sweetie, please ask one or two of your female friends in this business and see it 1 guy can be of 2 minds. I would love the opinion. I assure you that is happens more then you would think. Women too. Don't get me wrong.

Now as for the reviews where one says "she's a clock watcher"...those of us with a head on our shoulders would think "ok, so what if you got your 60 minutes worth" now if she's a clock watcher and cuts your time short, then by all means, bring that up in a review. OMG, I can't believe I am saying this but - Not everyone is smart like you hon.

As for a shower cutting into a guy's time, ummm, if I ever went to an incall and the shower and prep was part of my time, and was told so at the door, I'd turn around and leave. IMMEDIATELY. Sorry, but IMO this is a bs way of cutting it short. Specially when (and I have done incalls although rare) I always make sure I am clean as a whistle when I arrive. Just like an agency who states "my time starts when she buzzes my apartment"...ummm no, because my unit ended up being on the top floor at the other end of the building and with slow elevators it could take her 15 minutes to get to MY door. Just like if I go to a lawyer and he starts charging me the minute I hit the lobby...ummm no. No, not that type of shower. The shower 4 two. Meaning your first shower and last shower is with the SP. So she gets all dolled up for you to take her into the shower to start your fun. A lot of Asian places do this to ensure you are clean, but it is has now become a push to make it the norm. Like the CBJ to BBBJ push in the mid 2000s. I have read more then a few times. She won't shower with me, she is not GFE.

Anyhow, yes, there will always be people who abuse the system no matter what that system is. But the bottom line is that the review boards save us guys from getting ripped off. IMO there is never anything wrong with that. Maybe you didn't see where I agreed with that.

BTW: as for an sp getting reamed because she came on here telling her side of the story, ummm I have yet to see that....unless of course you can tell right off the bat that she's full of crap......In fact, if memory serves, I've seen the GUY get reamed once we hear the other side of the story. I am speaking about review boards in general. Not solely HUBGFE. You were there Tboy, you know it happens.

Now as for sp's on the sites, well, as I said in a previous post: this is our place. A place for guys to scratch their nuts and bitch and moan about just about anything. In other words, A LOCKER room. If a woman wants to hang out here then she cannot get upset because of the smelll of beer farts and hairy balls.....and I myself have probably chased women out of here, not because they're women, but because I treat them no differently than I treat guys because, after all, the law states we are 100% equal in every respect......because a woman comes into the guys locker room and expects to be treated differently, then that's her problem....I will not EVER treat a woman any different than men because, as I said, they are equal in all things. I am sorry you feel no ways about treating people differently and individually. I would have thought you were a bigger person then that and I am also sorry but this board and many others are paid for mostly by the women, and it stopped being solely a boys locker room a long time ago. It that upsets you, I am sorry, but that is the reality. Have a board with no women allowed.

Also, I treat men different then women. We are completely different beings. I don't think using some feminist bullshit that you don't agree with as an excuse to purposefully treat men or women in a negative way is a very endearing quality. Personally when I see that, I see the person as someone with a chip on their shoulder looking to always be in control. Bringing it right back to the power and control thing. But that is just me.

Oh, and bottom line to all this, if a woman has a NR policy, most mods will remove a review if requested.......now it is up the businessperson to inspect these sites and find out if someone posted a review....that's just part of the business.I don't where this came from, but ok.

I don't believe it's tipped the power one way or the other. It's obvious when one is bitching about a session when it's unfounded. It's also obvious when one is attempting to run a marketing campaign for the service provider.

It is always a providers choice how she runs her business but as someone else mentioned, it's always our choice where we spend our money.

NRP, I would never book a provider that has a nrp. The way I look at it, it's better safe than sorry and leaving all upset after a mediocre session.

Femme, what happened to the "client always being right":biggrin2:, I know don't get your purple panties in a knot ,it's not the same as buying a car.

One more question before I exit, Femme, am I correct about the purple panties?

It may be obvious to you, but it is really not that way with many other people reading. Looks at how many times my posts are taken as some bitchy loud mouth style post, when that is the farthest thing from what I am at least intending to post.

Yes! :good:

Sorry boys, I don't wear panties. I am a commando girl! :biggrin2:

 

[Madman]

It's time to state the most important facts learned in this thread.

FemmeFatale along with SillyG do not wear any panties and prefer commando!:good:

 

[oldguyzer]

It's time to state the most important facts learned in this thread.

FemmeFatale along with SillyG do not wear any panties and prefer commando!:good:

Unsubstantiated rumours. We need proof! :clapping2:

 

[Madman]

Unsubstantiated rumours. We need proof! :clapping2:

Femme is a photographer, the proof should be as easy as pie, apple pie!!ancing:

 

[oldguyzer]

Pie a la mode!

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Photographer = behind the camera.


Sheesh, I have taught you boys nothing. LOL

However for those coming to the party, If I need to really show proof, I get you can look up skirt.